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princealbert23 said:
singlecoil said:
I assume the 'tell' above was left over from a previous draft?
If that's the case, then you are misrepresenting the position of those who wonder why, when he believes this country to be disgusting, he doesn't leave.
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
Well SP is banned from NP&E as far as i recollect so he has to try winding people up on other parts of the forums.If that's the case, then you are misrepresenting the position of those who wonder why, when he believes this country to be disgusting, he doesn't leave.
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
If a legitimate concern/criticism "winds you up", then i imagine you spend much of your time upset
captain_cynic said:
singlecoil said:
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
Actually, telling him he has to leave because he disagrees with you is ignorant in the extreme. captain_cynic said:
Vocal Minority said:
People are starting to take criticism of Britain very personally!
Yep, instead of saying "we should improve and become a better place to live" they say "If you dont like anything, leave".If we let these people win, Britain will become a much crappier place to live. Do these people really represent British values? Just what are British values?
http://www.doingsmsc.org.uk/british-values/ said:
According to Ofsted, British values are:
democracy; the rule of law; individual liberty; mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith.
Certainly a good set of values to have, but I don't see anything in there saying "get out if you don't agree with us" which would seem inherently contrary to these values to begin with. It seems those telling others they should leave because they disagree are the ones acting contrary to British values.democracy; the rule of law; individual liberty; mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith.
Personally I'd rather my country stand up to criticism rather than tell exile those who would dare criticise us. A society (and culture) that weathers criticism is a strong society.
singlecoil said:
captain_cynic said:
singlecoil said:
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
Actually, telling him he has to leave because he disagrees with you is ignorant in the extreme. SystemParanoia said:
singlecoil said:
captain_cynic said:
singlecoil said:
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
Actually, telling him he has to leave because he disagrees with you is ignorant in the extreme. singlecoil said:
Vocal Minority said:
theplayingmantis said:
perhaps you should leave it then
People are starting to take criticism of Britain very personally!(It's pretty easy really....when you have a bit of confidence in who you are and your roots.....)
singlecoil said:
SystemParanoia said:
singlecoil said:
captain_cynic said:
singlecoil said:
But in any case, 'disgusting' is hardly constructive criticism, it's just ignorant name calling.
Actually, telling him he has to leave because he disagrees with you is ignorant in the extreme. but the point remains.. if you have something in your home that annoys you:
A Loose skirting board, creaking step, the wife
you do what you can to address that issue, using anything from gaffatape and talking/swearing to complete reassessment and replacement of the offending part.. you don't just walk out the door and never return!
I think System Paranoia's analogy is spot on.....but his wording is possibly a little hyperbolic.
I think saying the country is blanket disgusting is OTT. It isn't - the fundamentals of healthcare, justice and welfare are underfunded (in my, but I know not PHs opinion) but they broadly function 90% of the time.
But anyone who thinks Britian is some sort of perfect utopian paradise is kidding themselves too....there are problems. The proverbial leaky tap/squeaky floor board, that you try and fix rather than turning your back on a house you love.
Utopia is the Greek for 'no place' - near enough - and Thomas More called it that for a reason.
I just get wary of dogmatic tub thumping and the comply with our opinion or get out attitude that can pop up.
I think saying the country is blanket disgusting is OTT. It isn't - the fundamentals of healthcare, justice and welfare are underfunded (in my, but I know not PHs opinion) but they broadly function 90% of the time.
But anyone who thinks Britian is some sort of perfect utopian paradise is kidding themselves too....there are problems. The proverbial leaky tap/squeaky floor board, that you try and fix rather than turning your back on a house you love.
Utopia is the Greek for 'no place' - near enough - and Thomas More called it that for a reason.
I just get wary of dogmatic tub thumping and the comply with our opinion or get out attitude that can pop up.
captain_cynic said:
There aren't actually that many in remote areas. Over 90% of the population lives in cities.
For those that aren't near a school, Australia has the school of the air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Air
If I recall, that was the precise point being made. For those that aren't near a school, Australia has the school of the air.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Air
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