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swerni said:
sleepera6 said:
e21Mark said:
Unfortunately an all too common scenario nowadays. I regularly have to drive kids who attend a school for children excluded from mainstream education. They, for the most part anyway, have little respect for anyone or anything. I spoke to one about his repeated use of the N word and it was like talking to a brick wall. He steadfastly refused to accept it was offensive and illegal. I then informed the school about his behaviour and all that happened was he was allocated another driver. The lack of discipline is a joke and the children constantly swear at the teachers. I have to hope that these kids are in the minority, or else despair at the lack of respect and good behaviour displayed by these kids. It's sad that such behaviour is learnt and a indicates the lack of parenting they have had in their lives.
The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.Everyone appears to have the right to an education whether they want or deserve it.
If they get expelled (which does happen) they just get moved to another school.
Update
I have reported it to the police (Crimestoppers). To be honest I don't think any action will be taken but as said it's worth reporting it.
I have given as much details as I can, the kids legged it before I could get a very detailed view of them (since they were so scared to come and abuse me to my face!)
I decided to use Crimestoppers because I don't want to be dragged in to anything. To be honest they we probably just messing around but that should teach them a lesson if police knock on their door
I have reported it to the police (Crimestoppers). To be honest I don't think any action will be taken but as said it's worth reporting it.
I have given as much details as I can, the kids legged it before I could get a very detailed view of them (since they were so scared to come and abuse me to my face!)
I decided to use Crimestoppers because I don't want to be dragged in to anything. To be honest they we probably just messing around but that should teach them a lesson if police knock on their door
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 8th January 01:09
CTO said:
Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist 
at the ballet with the OH.
Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...
"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"
So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...
"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"
Me and the OH: bit nonplussed
"And they were black"
Me and the OH :waves: see you later.
Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.
at the ballet with the OH.Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...
"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"
So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...
"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"
Me and the OH: bit nonplussed
"And they were black"
Me and the OH :waves: see you later.
Sad times OP. Thankfully its the w
kers like this that are in the minority.
I don't see how anyone could be that racist? That's a whole new level.
silverfoxcc said:
sleepera6 said:
gus607 said:
"Excuse me do you have any curry"? How on earth can this be classed as racism ? This is PC going really mad.
Really?Have we found the parent already?
Not knowing the origin of gus, Lets say he is Scottish, how would he like it if a group of oiks asked him if he had any porage (correct spelling,see the packets of Scotts Porage Oats) Haggis etc, or French snails/Frogs legs,Jewish bagels or lox or German sauerkraut, etc. It is the implied association that makes it racist.
However, going up to say a Italian and saying "Ciao, have you got spaghetti?" or a Texan and saying "Howdy, any jerky?" isn't going to have the same effect as "curry" jokes as curry is seen as more of an integral part of Asian culture than spaghetti is to Italian, hence it may be seen as offensive. Just how saying the n word to an African is going to be seen as extremely offensive, Africans are proud of their skin colour.
danllama said:
CTO said:
Just had the misfortune to be sat next to a racist at the ballet with the OH.
Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...
"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"
So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...
"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"
Me and the OH: bit nonplussed
"And they were black"
Me and the OH :waves: see you later.
Sad times OP. Thankfully its the wkers like this that are in the minority.
You've jumped to a conclusion there a bit, haven't you? at the ballet with the OH.Seemed a reasonable older chap, with wife in tow. The OH and I were making idle chit chat with them before curtains up after the interval. They were apparently ballet aficionados so I asked how this performance compared to the others they had seen...
"Well, its good, better than Matthew Bournes version"
So, I asked why, expecting it to be music, choreography etc...
"Well, they were gay weren't they, it was all men"
Me and the OH: bit nonplussed
"And they were black"
Me and the OH :waves: see you later.
Sad times OP. Thankfully its the w
kers like this that are in the minority.Since when is it racist to make observations?
They even said it was good, but not as good as the other one. Do you not think if they were racist homophobes they would have just left in disgust?
You should have at least questioned them a bit further. But no, better to walk away and have a cool 'racist' story to tell everybody.
Edited by danllama on Sunday 8th January 02:10
gus607 said:
Fifty five years ago i was a victim of racism by many, school teacher's in particular as well as parents of school friends when their parents realised who I was prevented my continued friendship. It was difficult sometimes to walk down the street, leaving school & starting work was hard as well.
Was I black or foreign ? No, I am english born & white. My crime was that my mother a white widow had a black boyfriend, in those days completely taboo. So to say I am racist is laughable ! I've had plenty of racism years ago to last me a lifetime.
To be asked if you have any curry, racism ? Don't make me laugh. You don't know real racism.
Funnily enough I have some (second hand) empathy and sympathy for you. My Brother was in a similar situation and around the late 80's he went out with a black girl. He met her when working up here (here being Birmingham) He lived in Blackpool at the time. They shacked up together and encountered a lot of racism. Funny thing was that most of it came form either White women her age group (20's) or Black guys her age and a bit older (say 20s-30s)> The girls parents (50's0 were ok with it the girls brothers were either directly opposed or fine with it and a lot of the women he knew were not ok with it.Was I black or foreign ? No, I am english born & white. My crime was that my mother a white widow had a black boyfriend, in those days completely taboo. So to say I am racist is laughable ! I've had plenty of racism years ago to last me a lifetime.
To be asked if you have any curry, racism ? Don't make me laugh. You don't know real racism.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 8th January 08:21
Funnily enough for a town called Blackpool at the time there were surprisingly few black people in it. It was as if Black and Asian people travelled as far as Preston and then stopped. They split up after around 18 months though he has still remained in contact with her. I encountered it myself with her on 2 occasions once at a big park there from a vile b
h and secondly when we were all out.gus607 said:
Kids in Australia living in remote areas are taught via HF radio.
My son in law is a white "Brummie" with a broad "Black Country" accent, he is six feet five inches tall & has bright ginger hair ! I have a field day when we meet up, all taken in good humour on all sides.
The OP needs to sit down & think what real racism is, NOT what he thinks it is.
Dear oh dearMy son in law is a white "Brummie" with a broad "Black Country" accent, he is six feet five inches tall & has bright ginger hair ! I have a field day when we meet up, all taken in good humour on all sides.
The OP needs to sit down & think what real racism is, NOT what he thinks it is.
Hoofy said:
swerni said:
Centurion07 said:
sleepera6 said:
The school disciplinary system is a joke. A family friend told of how a child was suspended 6 TIMES for bullying, drugs and still not expelled. Ridiculous.
ISTR on another thread someone mentioned that schools are effectively "fined" if they expel pupils, hence why they're reluctant to do it.it's like a game of swapsies, you lose your dross but in turn you get someone else's.
Net zero gain.
308mate said:
Surely one strategy would be "Are you kidding? We're Pakistani/indian/Sri Lankan etc, of course we have curry! Why don't you come in and try some?"
Chances are they would still have run. But it immediately disarms them. The curry line is only racist until its true. Then its a simple acknowledgement that people of different cultures typically favour certain foods. No doubt its hard not to lose your temper but by arguing with that kind of ignorance, you lower yourself to their level. Chances are, they are not even inherently racist. They are just ignorant and people fear what they don't understand. I know it sounds all a bit new Labour but be the change you want to see. Instead of adding to the animosity, see if you can be the one to educate them. Otherwise the cycle continues.
Or I should of got the kid to go back and get his mum's tub of Sri lankan extra hot chilli powder and threw the open tub at them Chances are they would still have run. But it immediately disarms them. The curry line is only racist until its true. Then its a simple acknowledgement that people of different cultures typically favour certain foods. No doubt its hard not to lose your temper but by arguing with that kind of ignorance, you lower yourself to their level. Chances are, they are not even inherently racist. They are just ignorant and people fear what they don't understand. I know it sounds all a bit new Labour but be the change you want to see. Instead of adding to the animosity, see if you can be the one to educate them. Otherwise the cycle continues.
To be fair they were immature teenagers, but as I have said before in the thread some kids are properly, meaningfully racist. I'm sure I would of judged more harshly if it was say a 30 year old middle class man (note: not chav)
Smiler. said:
xjay1337 said:
I don't see how he can not think that it's racist, if you are of that descent and being asked for a curry, is racist.
However as someone up above said, I would just sort it out with some humour, of course I have some inside but you're not having any, fk off.
Easier to fight fire with humour
Yeah, next time, threaten to dhal 999.However as someone up above said, I would just sort it out with some humour, of course I have some inside but you're not having any, f
k off.Easier to fight fire with humour
TotalControl said:
OP, where in Watford do you live? I live in the Cassiobury estate area and haven't experienced any racism of the sort around here for some time. My parents live on the other side of Watford and it hasn't been all bad there either. I've lived in Watford pretty much my whole life (sad, I know).
If you ever need a hand or just want to talk, give me a shout. PM me if you wish. I'm more than happy to help out a fellow Watfordistani.
WD25If you ever need a hand or just want to talk, give me a shout. PM me if you wish. I'm more than happy to help out a fellow Watfordistani.
Near garston
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 9th January 14:03
magooagain said:
sleepera6 said:
No I have never seen them before. I think they are from the council type area which is about half a mile from here.
I'm sorry OP but that comment is no better than the issue you have been complaining about in my opinion.I was bought up on a council estate like many other folks in Great Britain. Although not in this modern era.
The vast majority of those people were kind hard working and thoughtfull.
The comment made to your son is out of order and in poor taste,just like your comment above.
singlecoil said:
xjay1337 said:
sleepera6 said:
Im sorry for any offence. I have lived on a estate before but nowadays council is a nickname for chav
No it's not 
Chav is chav, council is quite another! Although you sometimes may get some chavs in some council estates you also have chavs in private housing estates and lovely people in council estates!
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