Christians on PH?
Discussion
Mr. H said:
shakotan said:
Vaud said:
I am an atheist but with a view that many of the stories in the bible are good moral codes, if that makes sense?
The same moral codes exist outside of religion. I've never been religious but also never killed anyone, stolen anything, or shagged another man's wife.If we are all evolved from animals then why are humans the only species which don't follow the rules of nature? i.e. survival of the fittest. Why do humans say it's not ok for the strong to kill the weak the same way in which animals and all of nature work. We have morals which do not align with nature/survival of the fittest/natural selection and I believe this is because we are all made in the image of God. The book I mentioned a couple of pages back goes into this more and better than I can articulate. Even if you don't agree with me, it's an interesting question to ask yourself.
If animals were cleverer (and lots are clever enough) they would do the same.
2bn years on this planet, remember. The vast majority of it without any idea of God / a god.
SpeckledJim said:
Low Pro said:
SpeckledJim said:
Ari said:
SpeckledJim said:
How does a God-fearing Christian sleep at night having spent £100,000 on a car, when a malaria net is £2.50 and saves lives?
Aren't they honestly worried about justifying decisions like that to St Peter?
Odd question. Aren't they honestly worried about justifying decisions like that to St Peter?
I'm not remotely religious but even I can see that the two aren't mutually exclusive - owning a £100,000 doesn't stop you buying malaria nets.
"hey-up Dave. I'm St Peter, you're dead, and I suppose you'd like to come in?"
Dead Dave
"Ciao Pete, I did think the ground was coming up to meet me a bit fast, so 'dead' does make a bit of sense. Yes, I would like to come in, please."
St Peter
"OK, a bit of admin. In April 2016 you read an article about the effectiveness of malaria nets, and later that week, bought a new Range Rover..."
Dead Dave
"Umm, yes, I did."
St Peter
"Well, if you'd kept your old Range Rover and put the money into the malaria nets you read about, there would be 10 children alive on Earth today who are actually now in here with me, J and the big G."
Dead Dave
"Crikey. I see what you mean. But it was the V8 Autobiography, with the perforated hide. Really nice..."
St Peter
"Get lost, Dave. There's loads of this stuff in your file. Really rubbish Christianing. You knew the craic. We told you the good news, and you nodded along, and ignored it. You even sang the right songs on Sunday! You were taking the piss! Bye."
However when you trust in Christ ie believe he is the son of God all of his perfect life is account to you, you are in Christ (which is mentioned in Corinthains)
Now... When a Christian is doing things like serving the poor etc they are doing not to say "hey I'm amazing", they say it because I myself have been served let me serve you.
Added to this though a Christian will say let me help you but let me tell you something far more important, the Gospel of Christ which saves people from death.
Evangelism is said to be like one beggar telling another beggar where to find the bread.
Really is that simple
Apologies for my spelling I am a bit dyslexic
Considering the blink of an eye we spend on Earth and the eternity of bliss on offer, I'm not sure I'd be taking the risk.
Why not just be Very Very Good. It's only 80 years, isn't it?
But being very very good isn't good enough for God, this is why Jesus came.
And if you consider saving peoples earthly life your missing the point because they still die and will have to face Christ in judgement, I'd rather tell them the Gospel that can save there lives for eternity than just "a blink of an eye" as you put it
Trabi601 said:
Turquoise said:
andrewrob said:
It's all on here http://thegatheringformen.com/
An ambiguous name for an event..."First time at the Gathering, came on my own. Really enjoyed it, 1,500 men singing praise to our Lord and saviour, meeting other guys, learning to throw an axe, and lots more…" David, Wiltshire
Dinosaurs are interesting.
I think God created the planets, in that something was involved...I find this as equally hard to imagine as there being nothing before the big bang...
I think the bible attempts to compress evolution into a neat timescale which doesn't exist.
I think god created, or stepped into evolution to create man - I guess like the 2001 model.
And that mans evolution was then somehow messed up as we began to evolve and therefore God stepped in on several occasions and attempted to guide his creation until Jesus came as this was the only model for which man could use.
I get the argument that God knows everything and why didn't he create us perfect from day one.
Perhaps he did, perhaps we were perfect and something changed us, the devil maybe.
As for children in Africa, yes the planet has major problems, I don't know Gods plan.
Could make one request, just because I'm a Christian as are other on here, unless we say otherwise, we don't have all the answers and I never would ever.
Just because we have faith doesn't mean we can answer everything.
Just the same as someone without cannot offer me all the answers either, other than 'that's just the way it is' to me that equally as disappointing.
Sorry just a personal rant...I have faith not all the answers, I leave that to my God, who will tell us when we're ready.
I think God created the planets, in that something was involved...I find this as equally hard to imagine as there being nothing before the big bang...
I think the bible attempts to compress evolution into a neat timescale which doesn't exist.
I think god created, or stepped into evolution to create man - I guess like the 2001 model.
And that mans evolution was then somehow messed up as we began to evolve and therefore God stepped in on several occasions and attempted to guide his creation until Jesus came as this was the only model for which man could use.
I get the argument that God knows everything and why didn't he create us perfect from day one.
Perhaps he did, perhaps we were perfect and something changed us, the devil maybe.
As for children in Africa, yes the planet has major problems, I don't know Gods plan.
Could make one request, just because I'm a Christian as are other on here, unless we say otherwise, we don't have all the answers and I never would ever.
Just because we have faith doesn't mean we can answer everything.
Just the same as someone without cannot offer me all the answers either, other than 'that's just the way it is' to me that equally as disappointing.
Sorry just a personal rant...I have faith not all the answers, I leave that to my God, who will tell us when we're ready.
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I think there is overwhelming evidence for the historical Jesus.I think there is overwhelming evidence that faith gives believers peace when terminally ill - whether or not this faith is true or not isn't the point, their belief gives them peace which is a fact.
ciege said:
Nanook said:
Drop some knowledge bombs!
What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence for the historical Jesus.What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence that faith gives believers peace when terminally ill - whether or not this faith is true or not isn't the point, their belief gives them peace which is a fact.
Low Pro said:
in a bid to keep this topic from spiraling out of control please ask questions if you genuinely want to believe scripture it would appear that people are only interest in playing devils advocate (pun intended).
I say this so we don't waste our time posting for no good reason
No good reason ever came from organised religion...I say this so we don't waste our time posting for no good reason
ciege said:
As a Christian I know God is upset when such things happen, he created the world to be perfect and it isn't.
Not a very good God then - but no worse then the many hundreds of others so fairs fair.ciege said:
I think there is overwhelming evidence that faith gives believers peace when terminally ill - whether or not this faith is true or not isn't the point, their belief gives them peace which is a fact.
I don't think there is overwhelming evidence of something which is completely unmeasurable - which has an obvious parallel with religion itself.However, I have been present in the last few days of people who were very religious Christian people - they were utterly terrified of dying. Conversely i have also seen the same of complete athiests who were very at peace with the idea that this was the end of it all. Very limited sample size admittedly - and the jihadists seem to be fairly at ease with exploding thier way towards their maker so there must be something in it.
Low Pro said:
And if you consider saving peoples earthly life your missing the point because they still die and will have to face Christ in judgement, I'd rather tell them the Gospel that can save there lives for eternity than just "a blink of an eye" as you put it
So the Good Samaritan should have just carried on then. His actions didn't score any God points at all.Your angle that actions don't count as long as you love Jesus is very brave. God could well be choosing only the souls who took their time on Earth, and their belief in God, and actually helped people instead of praying and singing songs. You won't know until it is too late.
80 short years. To win the greatest prize in the universe.
ciege said:
Nanook said:
Drop some knowledge bombs!
What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence for the historical Jesus.What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence that faith gives believers peace when terminally ill - whether or not this faith is true or not isn't the point, their belief gives them peace which is a fact.
After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Mopey said:
It's difficult to dispute a man called Jesus existed at a certain time in history. The real crux is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The whole faith and all we know either rises or falls upon that.
After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
.......and that your life changes when you ask for help. After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Nanook said:
Mopey said:
It's difficult to dispute a man called Jesus existed at a certain time in history. The real crux is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The whole faith and all we know either rises or falls upon that.
After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Just so we're clear, we're talking about the version of events where they killed him, then put his body in a big cave, and rolled a huge rock in front of the entrance, then left.After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Then when they came back, he was gone, because he was alive, and had superhuman strength, and had let himself out, after which he took off and flew into heaven?
That's the only option that makes sense?
Historically he was most definitely dead. Even Jewish historians like Josephus state as much... So it's more to do with well what happened next...
Nanook said:
Mopey said:
It's difficult to dispute a man called Jesus existed at a certain time in history. The real crux is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The whole faith and all we know either rises or falls upon that.
After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Just so we're clear, we're talking about the version of events where they killed him, then put his body in a big cave, and rolled a huge rock in front of the entrance, then left.After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Then when they came back, he was gone, because he was alive, and had superhuman strength, and had let himself out, after which he took off and flew into heaven?
That's the only option that makes sense?
Mopey said:
Nanook said:
Mopey said:
It's difficult to dispute a man called Jesus existed at a certain time in history. The real crux is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The whole faith and all we know either rises or falls upon that.
After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Just so we're clear, we're talking about the version of events where they killed him, then put his body in a big cave, and rolled a huge rock in front of the entrance, then left.After studying it and looking into it I find the arguement for the resurrection of Christ to be the only option that makes sense. If that is true and testifies of who he is and what he says then it stands to reason we should take heed of the rest of what he says and does.
Then when they came back, he was gone, because he was alive, and had superhuman strength, and had let himself out, after which he took off and flew into heaven?
That's the only option that makes sense?
Historically he was most definitely dead. Even Jewish historians like Josephus state as much... So it's more to do with well what happened next...
None of it ever happened, it's all made up to keep people in check and Jesus et al are a work of fiction.
Just and alternative theory tis all
ciege said:
Nanook said:
Drop some knowledge bombs!
What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence for the historical Jesus.What facts does your faith have?
I think there is overwhelming evidence that faith gives believers peace when terminally ill - whether or not this faith is true or not isn't the point, their belief gives them peace which is a fact.
Where?
The Romans documented pretty much everything and there is no reference to him there at all.
No stories about jesus were written down at the time or taken from first hand accounts - they were ALL done several generations later.
And the only one vague reference produced by the church has subsequently been proven to have been added later.
Having a belief doesnt make them right. Believing i can fly would give me great satisfaction and peace - knowing i didnt have to rely on easyjet to get me home every friday - however jumping off a building and flapping your arms is where you find out the truth.
Edited by daemon on Tuesday 28th June 18:20
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