Conspiracy theorists... are they all just a bit thick?
Discussion
captain_cynic said:
It's another favoured tactic by Conspiracy Theorists, only ever dealing in absolutes.
If something was not 100% correct, it was 100% wrong. No understanding of nuance, degrees or factors in order to exacerbate an us v them scenarios (and then they get upset over the fact that always creates more "thems").
Our response to COVID was largely correct as it was based on science and established procedures for highly infectious diseases. If anything, future reports will say we didn't go far enough (but mitigating factors clearly prevented that) rather than the CTer fantasy that "Grrr lockdown, it was all wrong".
Lockdown was hugely ineffective as has already been discovered by studies. Not to mention our crippling debt.
There is not a single report I'm aware of which states we should have locked down harder and zero evidence from real world. Look ay China and Australia for example.......
Please read and I hope you can come to your senses on this specific issue
https://padailypost.com/2022/02/07/johns-hopkins-s...
S17Thumper said:
Seventy said:
OddCat.
Interested in what you think actually struck the Pentagon?
Serious question.
Interested in what you think actually struck the Pentagon?
Serious question.
I doubt they will be back, just like CarCrazyDad who said I had my head in the sand about ‘The Great Reset’ and then disappeared when I asked him to explain and educate me.
There’s a theme here, once you get into the detail.
You don't want education. You want an argument. If wanted education you'd go to the WEF website and read their fully open and public thoughts.
Phrases like build back better,the great reset, 4th industrial revolution and you'll own nothing and be happy.
Looking on the Internet for those terms will net you all the information you need to make a decision for yourself.
You won't, I bet. But i don't care either way to be honest
CarCrazyDad said:
S17Thumper said:
Seventy said:
OddCat.
Interested in what you think actually struck the Pentagon?
Serious question.
Interested in what you think actually struck the Pentagon?
Serious question.
I doubt they will be back, just like CarCrazyDad who said I had my head in the sand about ‘The Great Reset’ and then disappeared when I asked him to explain and educate me.
There’s a theme here, once you get into the detail.
I didn't disappear. I have a life.
You don't want education. You want an argument. If wanted education you'd go to the WEF website and read their fully open and public thoughts.
Phrases like build back better,the great reset, 4th industrial revolution and you'll own nothing and be happy.
Looking on the Internet for those terms will net you all the information you need to make a decision for yourself.
You won't, I bet. But i don't care either way to be honest
Ah… the tactic of throw a few lines around (great reset etc), fail to back it up and then come out with the usual guff of….
Do your own research, which we all know translates to my sources are so shonky I dare not share them (probably a meme or infographic from facebook).
Chapter 1 in the CT handbook.
Thanks for responding though, helped my point.
CarCrazyDad said:
There was absolutely zero established process for highly infectious diseases.
Lockdown was hugely ineffective as has already been discovered by studies. Not to mention our crippling debt.
There is not a single report I'm aware of which states we should have locked down harder and zero evidence from real world. Look ay China and Australia for example.......
Please read and I hope you can come to your senses on this specific issue
https://padailypost.com/2022/02/07/johns-hopkins-s...
3 economists cherry-picked 24 out of 18,590 studies.
They lumped together a lot of things as "NPI" or non-pharmaceutical intervention, not just "lockdowns".
The graphs they show are over very short timescales.
The report is not from Johns Hopkins itself, as the disclaimer at the start shows.
If I can be arsed to dig deeper, I may post more, but at first reading it's not very compelling.
And I'm in Australia, which has come through reasonably ok so far.
I took that bet and had an admittedly quick look at the 4th Industrial Revolution and the Great Reset.
I didn't see anything scary, just an acceptance of the realities that come/will come from ever increasing technology, and how perhaps our current methods of managing society may/will need to be "reset" in order to manage society better. So, the idea itself doesn't seem to be a problem, only that some people may choose to see this as a secret plot to ruin people's lives. Of course others might see it as a way to embrace change in a way that benefits more people.
On a positive note one can see that greater connectivity and increased information availability have improved consumer choice, whilst some will see it is as intrusive. For example, I see benefits from services like Uber, whilst the paranoid might fear that it just enables them to be tracked, and that secret organisations care about where they are and what they're doing.
As for not owning anything, big deal. Ownership of things is what largely led to a small number of individuals/families/organisations owning most of the world's assets, while we get to own a house, car, whatever until we die.
The technological advances, ie 4th Industrial revolution, are coming anyway, like it or not, and so it's logical that a reset of some kind will have to follow in order for societies to evolve in a way that maximises the benefits.
Of course technology can be used for nefarious purposes, but equally it has put more power and information into the hands of consumers. As such, there's just as much potential for an enormous amount of good to come from these things as there is bad. Consequently, the terms themselves are neutral, and the automatic assumptions of evil intent are conspiracy theories.
I didn't see anything scary, just an acceptance of the realities that come/will come from ever increasing technology, and how perhaps our current methods of managing society may/will need to be "reset" in order to manage society better. So, the idea itself doesn't seem to be a problem, only that some people may choose to see this as a secret plot to ruin people's lives. Of course others might see it as a way to embrace change in a way that benefits more people.
On a positive note one can see that greater connectivity and increased information availability have improved consumer choice, whilst some will see it is as intrusive. For example, I see benefits from services like Uber, whilst the paranoid might fear that it just enables them to be tracked, and that secret organisations care about where they are and what they're doing.
As for not owning anything, big deal. Ownership of things is what largely led to a small number of individuals/families/organisations owning most of the world's assets, while we get to own a house, car, whatever until we die.
The technological advances, ie 4th Industrial revolution, are coming anyway, like it or not, and so it's logical that a reset of some kind will have to follow in order for societies to evolve in a way that maximises the benefits.
Of course technology can be used for nefarious purposes, but equally it has put more power and information into the hands of consumers. As such, there's just as much potential for an enormous amount of good to come from these things as there is bad. Consequently, the terms themselves are neutral, and the automatic assumptions of evil intent are conspiracy theories.
AW111 said:
CarCrazyDad said:
There was absolutely zero established process for highly infectious diseases.
Lockdown was hugely ineffective as has already been discovered by studies. Not to mention our crippling debt.
There is not a single report I'm aware of which states we should have locked down harder and zero evidence from real world. Look ay China and Australia for example.......
Please read and I hope you can come to your senses on this specific issue
https://padailypost.com/2022/02/07/johns-hopkins-s...
Did you look at the paper, or just the summary?
3 economists cherry-picked 24 out of 18,590 studies.
They lumped together a lot of things as "NPI" or non-pharmaceutical intervention, not just "lockdowns".
The graphs they show are over very short timescales.
The report is not from Johns Hopkins itself, as the disclaimer at the start shows.
If I can be arsed to dig deeper, I may post more, but at first reading it's not very compelling.
And I'm in Australia, which has come through reasonably ok so far.
ks... No established procedures for infectious diseases?Published Sept 2019.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-inf...
Replaced the one published in 2014.
Did you honestly expect anything credible.
AW111 said:
Did you look at the paper, or just the summary?
3 economists cherry-picked 24 out of 18,590 studies.
They lumped together a lot of things as "NPI" or non-pharmaceutical intervention, not just "lockdowns".
The graphs they show are over very short timescales.
The report is not from Johns Hopkins itself, as the disclaimer at the start shows.
If I can be arsed to dig deeper, I may post more, but at first reading it's not very compelling.
And I'm in Australia, which has come through reasonably ok so far.
CarCrazyDad said:
you'll own nothing and be happy.
Edit: never mind, some Googling suggests it’s this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/20...
This clearly isn’t a plan.
Edited by DanL on Thursday 19th May 13:31
DanL said:
CarCrazyDad said:
you'll own nothing and be happy.
Edit: never mind, some Googling suggests it’s this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/20...
This clearly isn’t a plan.
Edited by DanL on Thursday 19th May 13:31
But whoooo! WEF! Grr!
Roman Rhodes said:
DanL said:
CarCrazyDad said:
you'll own nothing and be happy.
Edit: never mind, some Googling suggests it’s this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/20...
This clearly isn’t a plan.
Edited by DanL on Thursday 19th May 13:31
But whoooo! WEF! Grr!
But, research isn’t just finding some website that gives their view of the wording - it’s finding the original source of the comment / claim and reading it in context.Consider the source, as my old history teacher used to stress…
Roman Rhodes said:
DanL said:
CarCrazyDad said:
you'll own nothing and be happy.
Edit: never mind, some Googling suggests it’s this article:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/20...
This clearly isn’t a plan.
Edited by DanL on Thursday 19th May 13:31
But whoooo! WEF! Grr!
paulguitar said:
OddCat said:
I'm not persuaded by this at all.
I am, though, interested in him saying this:
"OK, I'm genuinely curious about why the surveillance tapes from the Sheraton Hotel near the Pentagon were confiscated, and why their contents were never made public"
It's predictable and rather amusing that out of that entire, lengthy article that calmly, logically, and comprehensively debunks the claptrap you and others spout, you've zoomed in on that one line, and ignored everything else. It quite succinctly demonstrates the painfully compromised mind of the conspiracist at work, so thank you for providing us with a real-world example.
OddCat said:
What amazes me is that people aren't even open to the possibility of foul play.
Many people are completely open to the possibility of foul play. It's just that they require evidence to support that accusation.
OddCat said:
Anyway, this is clearly a "bash anyone who doesn't buy the official narrative" thread (I should have known from the title) so it's not for me.
I'll let the self congratulating gullible have their thread back now !
I'll let the self congratulating gullible have their thread back now !
That's a disappointingly rapid flounce. All you've done here is embarrass yourself.
I actually stated that I was done !
Surely, Paul, you must have had girlfriends (I know that's hard to believe) who said to you "I don't want to see you again you snide, woke, gullible idiot" ? NEWS FLASH : they were not flouncing.
I also have a life and haven't logged in since 9pm yesterday (or whenever it was).
It is human nature to want to understand why things happen. It is highly unlikely that everyone will believe the same thing. It is highly likely that a lot of things people believe are not true. This is not some people, this is all people. It is entirely possible that the authorities would rather we didn't know about quite a lot of stuff.
The distinct and sudden absence of proper investigative journalism and the MSM and Social Media being tightly controlled / owned by a few individuals will make, and has made, this worse. Liberties will be taken by those with ill intent. Anything that doesn't follow the narrative, or questions it in any way, will be labelled "mis-information". Do you not see how dangerous that all is ? And how such blatant manipulation will inevitably lead to suspicion ?
Bill Gates will fly in a private jet this weekend to Davos and lecture everyone about climate change. In years gone by someone doing that would have been slaughtered for the sheer hypocrisy of it. I'm betting the MSM won't say a dicky bird. The good news about that prediction is that we'll know in 3 days time if I am right.
It isn't just about Conspiracy Theories. It is about the very real risk of a general downhill slide into a dangerous new controlled world. Dangerous for the 99% of course. The 1% will be fine.
Anyway, I'm going now. I won't make any further contributions. There is no point. We will all see how this pans out and we will all be able to come back here and re-visit this thread in years to come. Assuming it hasn't been deleted by the thought police of course in the meantime
OddCat said:
Hold on. Surely a flounce is when someone simply disappears for a few days ?
I actually stated that I was done !
You get extra points if: (a) you are losing the argument; (b) people are starting to take the piss out of you; and (c) you come back to continue the argument after the initial flounce.
So I'd say you're doing pretty well right now.
CarCrazyDad said:
I didn't disappear. I have a life.
You don't want education. You want an argument. If wanted education you'd go to the WEF website and read their fully open and public thoughts.
Phrases like build back better,the great reset, 4th industrial revolution and you'll own nothing and be happy.
Looking on the Internet for those terms will net you all the information you need to make a decision for yourself.
You won't, I bet. But i don't care either way to be honest
Look around you - whagt would happen in this Great Reset your'e getting so over excited about? Can you see it happening? I would have thought what is happening in Ukraine shows that the world is far from united in some fantastic voyage of intent to reset - but no, in your mind because its some fringe hobby horse of the bewildered 'ooh loo those letters are arranged that way on a website' youve bought into it.
Youe only half a loon demostration from being completely gaga. Save yourself.
OddCat said:
stuff
And NOW you're saying that because of that, we're actually unaware of the perils of private media ownership, and the hypocrisy of certain 'celebs'. How do you even jump from the former to the latter?
I suspect you've never had a logical and coherent chain of thoughts in your life!
paulguitar said:
I suspect CT folks are so wedded to their beliefs that they simply can't deal with having them challenged. The question is, why?
For others, its the human connection side of it. In an increasingly isolated world, people can find it hard to make that human connection and find a 'community' of like minded individuals. In this case, it tends to be focused on conspiracies, but when you look at the data and research around say Qanon, you find that people feel a sense of belonging, friendship and family in being in the group, even though the theories are increasingly outlandish.
Looking outside in on these conspiracies, its easy to point fingers and laugh. But anyone, in a low point in their lives as they search for meaning, connection or explanations, can end up as a CT. And trying to get someone out of that world is not about logic, explanation or even pointing and laughing - this only makes it worse. You are trying to, indirectly, tell them that the 'family' they have within the groups, isnt for them and to break it. Thats not an easy thing to ask and for many, its much easier to just brush aside logic and reason and stick to their beliefs.
Personally I find the whole subject fascinating. The recent delve into the whole 9/11 theories reminds us that people try to find meaning in the random. It wasnt just random that those flights were selected or that the towers fell, or that a field in PA was littered with debris or even that the Pentagon was attacked - it was all a plan, hatched by the elites to keep us in our place. For some, this is easier to believe than this was an orchestrated plan of a limited number of lunatics that, by a sequence of unknown and undetermined events, resulted in the deaths of nearly 3000 people on one day.
The human brain is a tricky thing - and fascinating too. Most CT's arent stupid, just fell into something at a point in their life and cant find a way out.
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