'International Men's Day' is today - did you know?
Discussion
BunkMoreland said:
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hstewie said:
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Honestly nobody understands repression like the middle aged white man does
I mean I don't agree with everything on here. But men are the worst "oppressors" in historyHonestly nobody understands repression like the middle aged white man does
Lose out financially in divorce the primary care giver if kids gets priority - men made women stay at home
Lose out in terms of custody in divorce the primary care giver if kids gets priority - men made women stay at home
Higher suicide rates than Women why is that the case? Is it that other men have made society where men are expected to be successful and breadwinners?
Women are outperforming Men in education consistently. do something about it then
Men die earlier than Women part down to testosterone part down to men wanting to be breadwinners and go into dangerous careers
Not many Women end up on the front line in warzones. see plenty on here saying women shouldn't go to war as they aren't capable
Men are expected to pay the bill again down to men wanting to see themselves as winners
Men are more often falsely accused of serious crimes stats?
The pervading narrative of "toxic masculinity" wait, you want the above to stop but then cry about those wishing to stop these things?!
(Yes, I know not all of these are every single time )
How you solve those I dont know
Edited by GroundEffect on Sunday 19th November 19:13
This date is pertinent for me, as years ago, my Dad took his own life on this date.
These last few years I've known it's also IMD, and the irony is not lost on me.
Men of his generation often had lots of 'mates' - they were 600+ people at his funeral - but not always men who are properly close. In the days after his death his friends would say 'He was the life and soul of the party' Nobody really knew him; a common theme.
There are some threads here, on PH, which demonstrate men being open, honest and supportive. (yes, we can do this!)
Outside of PH, there's plenty of men supporting other men. I'm a member of a few mens groups, I have weekly chats (mentoring sessionsI suppose) with my friends' sons and I go to mens retreats - all without apology. Hell, being a man is not easy.
So, behind all the bluster, and jokeyness about our changed world; if men feel disadvantaged, disconnected from their bothers, demonised or taken for granted, it's a good signal to talk to other men, go beyond the bulls**t, ask for help, or offer help.
In case this sounds preachy - I was in a IMD get together today from 10-5 and it was a joy to spend it with 30 or so men who are willing to help themselves and help each other.
Happy to talk to anybody about these matters.
These last few years I've known it's also IMD, and the irony is not lost on me.
Men of his generation often had lots of 'mates' - they were 600+ people at his funeral - but not always men who are properly close. In the days after his death his friends would say 'He was the life and soul of the party' Nobody really knew him; a common theme.
There are some threads here, on PH, which demonstrate men being open, honest and supportive. (yes, we can do this!)
Outside of PH, there's plenty of men supporting other men. I'm a member of a few mens groups, I have weekly chats (mentoring sessionsI suppose) with my friends' sons and I go to mens retreats - all without apology. Hell, being a man is not easy.
So, behind all the bluster, and jokeyness about our changed world; if men feel disadvantaged, disconnected from their bothers, demonised or taken for granted, it's a good signal to talk to other men, go beyond the bulls**t, ask for help, or offer help.
In case this sounds preachy - I was in a IMD get together today from 10-5 and it was a joy to spend it with 30 or so men who are willing to help themselves and help each other.
Happy to talk to anybody about these matters.
E63eeeeee... said:
MitchT said:
Interesting to note that International Women's Day appears to always fall on a weekday when all our diversity and inclusion obsessed workplaces can hype it up and make sure everyone knows about it, but International Men's Day is on a Sunday when noone gives a toss. 
I'm sure this is a joke. It's got to be, right? I mean, one year in seven, the 19th is a Sunday. And everyone knows that. But this is PH, though.
I'm fairly sure this is a joke. If so, it's quite a good one.
I knew it was International Men's Day because there was stuff about it on the intranet at work. But I'm a civil servant and we like stuff like that.
andyeds1234 said:
You have to be a certain type of special, to feel oppressed or disadvantaged because you are a man.
The mind boggles.
It's 2023, oppression and being 'disadvantaged' is all the rage. The mind boggles.
Your problems can always be someone else's fault and not your own.
Remember, it's not you, it's everyone else.....
monthou said:
MitchT said:
Interesting to note that International Women's Day appears to always fall on a weekday when all our diversity and inclusion obsessed workplaces can hype it up and make sure everyone knows about it, but International Men's Day is on a Sunday when noone gives a toss.
Like Mother's day then.Terminator X said:
What about the men that aren't running the world so probably 99.99999% of them.
TX.
And what about the men who are so insecure about their place in their world that they choose to have the internet name Terminator X, and sign off every post with TX?TX.
You’ve annoyed me for a long time on here, and I’m guessing you’re either a henpecked b
h of a man, or, more likely, you’ve never had a the faintest sniff of a vagina in your life.Either way mate, please seek help from a mental health professional.
BunkMoreland said:
I mean I don't agree with everything on here. But men are the worst "oppressors" in history
Lose out financially in divorce
Lose out in terms of custody in divorce
Higher suicide rates than Women
Women are outperforming Men in education consistently.
Men die earlier than Women
Not many Women end up on the front line in warzones.
Men are expected to pay the bill
Men are more often falsely accused of serious crimes
The pervading narrative of "toxic masculinity"
(Yes, I know not all of these are every single time )
How you solve those I dont know
That is to hide the truth of course Lose out financially in divorce
Lose out in terms of custody in divorce
Higher suicide rates than Women
Women are outperforming Men in education consistently.
Men die earlier than Women
Not many Women end up on the front line in warzones.
Men are expected to pay the bill
Men are more often falsely accused of serious crimes
The pervading narrative of "toxic masculinity"
(Yes, I know not all of these are every single time )
How you solve those I dont know
More seriously most public commentators seem to still be living in the seventies. In the real world women outperform men educationally, and in entry to the professions. Full time women in their twenties and thirties earn the same as men with a small variance in some age groups within that.
The problem is more that the public commentary and legal system haven't caught up. In divorce instead of regarding the separating couple as both capable of work and supporting themselves. There is often an expectation for a man to maintain the wife in her former standard of living.
If it were the case that the man was primarily responsible for marriages failing that might have some sort of justification, but instead the stats are very much the other way. No wonder fewer and fewer men are signing up for that game of Russian roulette with most of the chambers loaded.
A rational response might be to update this for the 21st century, but no they will instead bring in co-habiting rights. Causing yet more societal damage by clinging on to an outdated worldview.
andyeds1234 said:
You have to be a certain type of special, to feel oppressed or disadvantaged because you are a man.
The mind boggles.
What if it isn’t because you are a man but it’s harder to get help because of it?The mind boggles.
A lot of men struggle. Even if it’s a smaller proportion than in other groups (which seems questionable given the suicide stats) there is also less support and this is a small way of getting some help to any men that need it.
There are things being done and it’s not always well enough publicised - https://www.thecalmzone.net/
kevinon said:
This date is pertinent for me, as years ago, my Dad took his own life on this date.
These last few years I've known it's also IMD, and the irony is not lost on me.
Men of his generation often had lots of 'mates' - they were 600+ people at his funeral - but not always men who are properly close. In the days after his death his friends would say 'He was the life and soul of the party' Nobody really knew him; a common theme.
There are some threads here, on PH, which demonstrate men being open, honest and supportive. (yes, we can do this!)
Outside of PH, there's plenty of men supporting other men. I'm a member of a few mens groups, I have weekly chats (mentoring sessionsI suppose) with my friends' sons and I go to mens retreats - all without apology. Hell, being a man is not easy.
So, behind all the bluster, and jokeyness about our changed world; if men feel disadvantaged, disconnected from their bothers, demonised or taken for granted, it's a good signal to talk to other men, go beyond the bulls**t, ask for help, or offer help.
In case this sounds preachy - I was in a IMD get together today from 10-5 and it was a joy to spend it with 30 or so men who are willing to help themselves and help each other.
Happy to talk to anybody about these matters.
I am sorry to hear that - it's taken a long time to bring male suicide rates into the mainstream, but I think we are getting there. These last few years I've known it's also IMD, and the irony is not lost on me.
Men of his generation often had lots of 'mates' - they were 600+ people at his funeral - but not always men who are properly close. In the days after his death his friends would say 'He was the life and soul of the party' Nobody really knew him; a common theme.
There are some threads here, on PH, which demonstrate men being open, honest and supportive. (yes, we can do this!)
Outside of PH, there's plenty of men supporting other men. I'm a member of a few mens groups, I have weekly chats (mentoring sessionsI suppose) with my friends' sons and I go to mens retreats - all without apology. Hell, being a man is not easy.
So, behind all the bluster, and jokeyness about our changed world; if men feel disadvantaged, disconnected from their bothers, demonised or taken for granted, it's a good signal to talk to other men, go beyond the bulls**t, ask for help, or offer help.
In case this sounds preachy - I was in a IMD get together today from 10-5 and it was a joy to spend it with 30 or so men who are willing to help themselves and help each other.
Happy to talk to anybody about these matters.
This is a good example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX8TgVR33KM
I see a lot more circulating on social media and at work, about male mental health awareness, so perhaps things are gradually moving in the right direction.
The company I work for actually did something. TBH it had passed me by completely.
BBC News - International Men's Day: Rail death prompts train driver advice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
BBC News - International Men's Day: Rail death prompts train driver advice
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorksh...
Mick Dastardly said:
Terminator X said:
What about the men that aren't running the world so probably 99.99999% of them.
TX.
And what about the men who are so insecure about their place in their world that they choose to have the internet name Terminator X, and sign off every post with TX?TX.
You’ve annoyed me for a long time on here, and I’m guessing you’re either a henpecked b
h of a man, or, more likely, you’ve never had a the faintest sniff of a vagina in your life.Either way mate, please seek help from a mental health professional.
ks what you think.TX.
JagLover said:
That is to hide the truth of course
More seriously most public commentators seem to still be living in the seventies. In the real world women outperform men educationally, and in entry to the professions. Full time women in their twenties and thirties earn the same as men with a small variance in some age groups within that.
The problem is more that the public commentary and legal system haven't caught up. In divorce instead of regarding the separating couple as both capable of work and supporting themselves. There is often an expectation for a man to maintain the wife in her former standard of living.
If it were the case that the man was primarily responsible for marriages failing that might have some sort of justification, but instead the stats are very much the other way. No wonder fewer and fewer men are signing up for that game of Russian roulette with most of the chambers loaded.
A rational response might be to update this for the 21st century, but no they will instead bring in co-habiting rights. Causing yet more societal damage by clinging on to an outdated worldview.
But if a divorce takes place after children have been born, isn't it normally the woman who has already seen her career falter? More seriously most public commentators seem to still be living in the seventies. In the real world women outperform men educationally, and in entry to the professions. Full time women in their twenties and thirties earn the same as men with a small variance in some age groups within that.
The problem is more that the public commentary and legal system haven't caught up. In divorce instead of regarding the separating couple as both capable of work and supporting themselves. There is often an expectation for a man to maintain the wife in her former standard of living.
If it were the case that the man was primarily responsible for marriages failing that might have some sort of justification, but instead the stats are very much the other way. No wonder fewer and fewer men are signing up for that game of Russian roulette with most of the chambers loaded.
A rational response might be to update this for the 21st century, but no they will instead bring in co-habiting rights. Causing yet more societal damage by clinging on to an outdated worldview.
Randy Winkman said:
But if a divorce takes place after children have been born, isn't it normally the woman who has already seen her career falter?
Assuming children have been born, and married or not there would be a requirement to pay child support unless the children stay with the Father or there is a 50/50 split of where the children stay. Joey Deacon said:
They are already trying to eliminate us from the media by pushing the message that everyone in society is trans, gay or in a mixed race relationship. Just think how often a white, middle aged man is portrayed in an advert other than as an object of ridicule.
Are they really? Really?Joey Deacon said:
Plus as a man there is nobody to bail you out and provide a house and financial support to allow you to stay at home all day.
Actually true or just your pride getting in the way of asking for help?Joey Deacon said:
Suicide rates are much higher in men than in woman and women don't get sent to fight in wars.
First half is the only sensible, non 'Daily Mail Compo Face' thing you've said. Second half is back to being wrong. My advice: Put down the tabloid, get off Twitter and Telegram, stop worrying about people who are different to you and stop imagining you're being persecuted despite your demographic (mine too) being the most influential on the planet. You'll be much happier.
Terminator X said:
Lol do you think I give 2 fks what you think.
TX.
I have to ask, why do you continue to sign your posts with an abbreviation for a made-up name? It's very odd and doesn't make sense. Your name is right there next to your posts, it's visible to everyone. Even if it were your real name, it would be a bit like whatsapping your mates and putting your initials on the bottom of every message.ks what you think.TX.
Not trying to be rude at all but it's always puzzled me.
Tankrizzo said:
Terminator X said:
Lol do you think I give 2 fks what you think.
TX.
I have to ask, why do you continue to sign your posts with an abbreviation for a made-up name? It's very odd and doesn't make sense. Your name is right there next to your posts, it's visible to everyone. Even if it were your real name, it would be a bit like whatsapping your mates and putting your initials on the bottom of every message.ks what you think.TX.
Not trying to be rude at all but it's always puzzled me.
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