Taking children to McDonalds, is it child cruelty?
Discussion
Hoofy said:
BenM77 said:
Am I the only person who finds the thought of measuring their food to exact macros just a touch over the top?
I just don't see it as a normal, healthy relationship to food.
Anyway. This thread has gone way off topic
Also, we no longer have a healthy relationship with food. We treat ourselves with poison. We abuse our bodies for fun (beer, vodka, Jagermeister). Comfort eating, avoiding food, allergies. It's all gone wrong.I just don't see it as a normal, healthy relationship to food.
Anyway. This thread has gone way off topic
Edited by Hoofy on Friday 9th August 19:24
Of we are talking about taking a child to get a happy meal once in a blue moon, it's hardly force feeding them is it?!
They love it! And if done sparingly it can be considered a treat. Not because of its (lack of) nutritional value, but because of the whole package, get bout of the house, do some free colouring, get a toy and have some food that they normally wouldn't get.
Sure it isn't the best food, but we could apply this to every situation of parenting.
Only allow them to wear Clark shoes (as that's another parent gripe isn't it)
Don't let the kids have a friend named Tyler at school.
And we wonder why children are growing up unable to look after themselves and make an informed decision.
Let them eat some junk food, heck, my daughter is six and up until recently she woukd eat stuff from the garden.
She's got a lead lined stomach I swear!!
I think being overly stressful about food in any way is unhealthy for a child, just let them get on with it.
Provide them with a balanced diet. That's all.
They love it! And if done sparingly it can be considered a treat. Not because of its (lack of) nutritional value, but because of the whole package, get bout of the house, do some free colouring, get a toy and have some food that they normally wouldn't get.
Sure it isn't the best food, but we could apply this to every situation of parenting.
Only allow them to wear Clark shoes (as that's another parent gripe isn't it)
Don't let the kids have a friend named Tyler at school.
And we wonder why children are growing up unable to look after themselves and make an informed decision.
Let them eat some junk food, heck, my daughter is six and up until recently she woukd eat stuff from the garden.
She's got a lead lined stomach I swear!!
I think being overly stressful about food in any way is unhealthy for a child, just let them get on with it.
Provide them with a balanced diet. That's all.
Hoofy said:
Back on topic: and parents take their kids to McD's for a treat!!
This is the bit I don't get. I've been loosely following a low carb diet for a few months, and I have noticed my appetite for starchy, sugary foods and sweet drinks has just disappeared. People say things like "one coke (or potato or slice of toast covered in jam) won't hurt you" and I think nor probably would a spoonful of sawdust or a bite of soil, but I wouldn't want to eat it. The idea of a 10% meat McDonalds burger, complete with sugary sauces, chips fried in vegetable oil, chocolate ice cream and a bucket of coke is just awful. Definitely not a treat. AJS- said:
This is the bit I don't get. I've been loosely following a low carb diet for a few months, and I have noticed my appetite for starchy, sugary foods and sweet drinks has just disappeared. People say things like "one coke (or potato or slice of toast covered in jam) won't hurt you" and I think nor probably would a spoonful of sawdust or a bite of soil, but I wouldn't want to eat it. The idea of a 10% meat McDonalds burger, complete with sugary sauces, chips fried in vegetable oil, chocolate ice cream and a bucket of coke is just awful. Definitely not a treat.
FFS.You are an adult following a voluntary diet regime, and good for you.
Kids are kids, and kids enjoy a McDonald's or BK once in a while.
This is a total non issue IMHO.
I'm not preaching to anyone, less still equating the occasional trip to McDonald's with child abuse. My point is that once you break the psychological attachment to such food as being a treat it becomes quite disgusting. Kids aee subject to lots of pressures and no parent has or should have total control but I'm aiming to raise my daughter to see barbecues, gourmet burgers and good steaks as a treat, and junk food as what it really is.
Hoofy said:
I use that term because I can see people becoming non-clean again. I see it all the time on MFP.
As for experience, that isn't efficient. You'll take far longer to reach your goals. How do you know, for instance, you ate enough protein yesterday to build strength or size... or even maintain muscle mass if losing weight? You can't guestimate based on experience. You will need to calculate it all (whether you do it in your head or via a diary system is up to you).
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
I know what you think, nothing I have encountered suggests one does, it would require a desire to forcefully gain weight using the worse tools at hand, it ignores the real world and common sense. As for experience, that isn't efficient. You'll take far longer to reach your goals. How do you know, for instance, you ate enough protein yesterday to build strength or size... or even maintain muscle mass if losing weight? You can't guestimate based on experience. You will need to calculate it all (whether you do it in your head or via a diary system is up to you).
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
You can guestimate on experience, people have been going it for a long time. That's what experience is. To be more precise you can use numbers, one can always go deeper.
AJS- said:
This is the bit I don't get. I've been loosely following a low carb diet for a few months, and I have noticed my appetite for starchy, sugary foods and sweet drinks has just disappeared
It happens, it's interesting how the body reacts. edit to add.
If I am watching my serving portion of nuts; if I am eating nuts, I am most likely eating clean, if I'm eating clean I'm looking to lose fat. Eating too many nuts (limited carbs) won't make me blubbery but it could prevent me losing flab. I wanna burn the fat off my belly not the fat in my belly.
Edited by Halb on Saturday 10th August 10:43
Halb said:
Hoofy said:
I use that term because I can see people becoming non-clean again. I see it all the time on MFP.
As for experience, that isn't efficient. You'll take far longer to reach your goals. How do you know, for instance, you ate enough protein yesterday to build strength or size... or even maintain muscle mass if losing weight? You can't guestimate based on experience. You will need to calculate it all (whether you do it in your head or via a diary system is up to you).
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
I know what you think, nothing I have encountered suggests one does, it would require a desire to forcefully gain weight using the worse tools at hand, it ignores the real world and common sense. It's similar to the theory that bees can't fly.As for experience, that isn't efficient. You'll take far longer to reach your goals. How do you know, for instance, you ate enough protein yesterday to build strength or size... or even maintain muscle mass if losing weight? You can't guestimate based on experience. You will need to calculate it all (whether you do it in your head or via a diary system is up to you).
I still think you can get fat eating clean. Nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise.
You can guestimate on experience, people have been going it for a long time. That's what experience is. To be more precise you can use numbers, one can always go deeper.
Hoofy said:
We're going off-topic from our own off-topic! What I mean is you can guestimate on experience but it's not efficient. And you can accidentally lose weight if you just eat clean without counting. Being underweight isn't really much better than being overweight. In fact, being slightly overweight is arguably healthier.
We do that. 
Yeah, it's just specifics...just how specific are you willing to go? Normally I wouldn't care...if I have specific goals...then it needs to be more regimented.
Halb said:
We do that.
Yeah, it's just specifics...just how specific are you willing to go? Normally I wouldn't care...if I have specific goals...then it needs to be more regimented.
Indeed. I tend to follow the IIFYM concept, as you've probably guessed, although I generally choose healthy options just because it's healthy for you rather than it helps to lose weight.Yeah, it's just specifics...just how specific are you willing to go? Normally I wouldn't care...if I have specific goals...then it needs to be more regimented.
That's the funny thing about this dialogue - you are adamant you have to eat clean yet you admit to eating junk these days; I am adamant you can eat dirty yet I'm eating fairly clean.
Hoofy said:
That's the funny thing about this dialogue - you are adamant you have to eat clean yet you admit to eating junk these days; I am adamant you can eat dirty yet I'm eating fairly clean.
I'm not adamant, it just makes it easy. If you wish to lose 'x' amount of fat (Ignoring any nutrient/fibre issues), you can do it eating not very nutritional food, but you'll be hungry a lot and be very cranky. More efficient options will keep you fuller for longer, makes things easier. Halb said:
Hoofy said:
That's the funny thing about this dialogue - you are adamant you have to eat clean yet you admit to eating junk these days; I am adamant you can eat dirty yet I'm eating fairly clean.
I'm not adamant, it just makes it easy. If you wish to lose 'x' amount of fat (Ignoring any nutrient/fibre issues), you can do it eating not very nutritional food, but you'll be hungry a lot and be very cranky. More efficient options will keep you fuller for longer, makes things easier. AJS- said:
This is the bit I don't get. I've been loosely following a low carb diet for a few months, and I have noticed my appetite for starchy, sugary foods and sweet drinks has just disappeared. People say things like "one coke (or potato or slice of toast covered in jam) won't hurt you" and I think nor probably would a spoonful of sawdust or a bite of soil, but I wouldn't want to eat it. The idea of a 10% meat McDonalds burger, complete with sugary sauces, chips fried in vegetable oil, chocolate ice cream and a bucket of coke is just awful. Definitely not a treat.
errrr...you do get that many, many people enjoy the taste of mcd's? hence your example of eating soil is ridiculus. Tiggsy said:
AJS- said:
This is the bit I don't get. I've been loosely following a low carb diet for a few months, and I have noticed my appetite for starchy, sugary foods and sweet drinks has just disappeared. People say things like "one coke (or potato or slice of toast covered in jam) won't hurt you" and I think nor probably would a spoonful of sawdust or a bite of soil, but I wouldn't want to eat it. The idea of a 10% meat McDonalds burger, complete with sugary sauces, chips fried in vegetable oil, chocolate ice cream and a bucket of coke is just awful. Definitely not a treat.
errrr...you do get that many, many people enjoy the taste of mcd's? hence your example of eating soil is ridiculus. AJS- said:
Many people enjoy cigarettes, alcohol and cocaine. It doesn't make it healthy or appealing. I'm a libertarian and believe people should be free to eat, drink, smoke and snort whatever they like but I reserve the right to make extreme comparisons with the ridiculous about it.
1 beer or 1 bigmac a week has zero detectable negative impact on anyone...and it taste good. Is it healthy? Who cares? I went to the movies today....was that healthy? No - it was fun.
hstewie said:Tiggsy said:
Its not - its meat and bread....you'll be fine 
We've been eating meat since time immemorial. No issues there, and Maccies meat is actually pretty good, I reckon. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese, gherkins, ketchup, or a bun. He'll, even the fries aren't too bad for you.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff