Karate experts - are they really 'hard'?
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Some friend from the past on FB has started his own Karate school and as part of his promotion he includes clips of sparring etc
To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
To me, it just looks like choreographed fighting - they fight in a certain way with certain moves and kicks etc; react to the opponent based on how they read their moves...
How would these black belts fare in the real world against a real hard man? How would they handle a flurry of wild punches, headbutts and wrestling?
turbobloke said:
Talking of videos, this infamous example has probably been posted earlier but never mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2PxkSJW7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE2PxkSJW7M
He crawls out of his garden, with the neighbourhood scalllies cackling in the background.
Grumpy old git said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGL_vNtelrM NSFW some bad language in this but very relevant
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stargazer30 said:
I started learning Karate about a 18 months ago. I'm about half way to black belt now. If anything its taught me how much of a crap fighter I am. I'd always try and avoid a fight now, even knowing what I know. It takes years of disciplined practice to pull off even the more basic karate moves with the speed, power and precision needed to be effective in a real fight. When you can though, its scary and brilliant all in one.
Don't regret learning it one bit though.
18 years?Don't regret learning it one bit though.
ExPat2B said:
My observations, success in streetfights is dependant on several factors :
1. The ability to take a punch and keep going. The only way to train this, is to be repeatedly punched in the head yourself. This is why any sport that incorporates boxing does very well.
2. Physical size and strength. Bigger is better, this is why weight classes exist.
3. Willingness to fight dirty and use weaponry.
4. Numbers - having mates to back you up.
5. Training at instinctual level for maximum application of violence.
Karate doesn't really help with any of the above.
Long term success in streetfights seems impossible. The hardmen of my youth have been variously :
Stabbed in the throat outside a nightclub after knocking someone out earlier.
Stabbed in the eyesocket, permanent paralysis, loss of sight and brain damage, requires a live in nurse.
Hit in the head with hammer, suffers epilepsy, lost job as machine operator and driving license due to this.
Surrounded and stamped on by several men, requires use of cane to walk now, constant pain in legs.
I think this about sums it all up for so called 'hard men who have something to prove' doesn't it?1. The ability to take a punch and keep going. The only way to train this, is to be repeatedly punched in the head yourself. This is why any sport that incorporates boxing does very well.
2. Physical size and strength. Bigger is better, this is why weight classes exist.
3. Willingness to fight dirty and use weaponry.
4. Numbers - having mates to back you up.
5. Training at instinctual level for maximum application of violence.
Karate doesn't really help with any of the above.
Long term success in streetfights seems impossible. The hardmen of my youth have been variously :
Stabbed in the throat outside a nightclub after knocking someone out earlier.
Stabbed in the eyesocket, permanent paralysis, loss of sight and brain damage, requires a live in nurse.
Hit in the head with hammer, suffers epilepsy, lost job as machine operator and driving license due to this.
Surrounded and stamped on by several men, requires use of cane to walk now, constant pain in legs.
I've known one from back in the day and this guy wasn't particularly hard. Reputation for mental? Sure. But hard? I don't think so even if he would square up to people in the pub who would likely kick the living s
t out the lad. Most just ignored him because he was mental Tim. His real name should hAve been Tim not so nice and very fking dim come to think about it. Liokault said:
Source: comming up for 30 years of MA training, sparring full contact with everyone willing who came through the door.
Swoon.turbobloke said:
At one time I knew where to strike and the technique to use in order to put the blade of a sword through two major arteries, the windpipe and spinal cord in one blow, all without completely severing the head.
Two swoons. Hardest thing in this thread is my knob after reading comments like that.
Each to their own and fair play to whatever training people partake in. But, I find Karate laughable, same goes for a lot of the classic 'arts'. It's a bit of fun to keep fit, all this stuff about severing arteries is just embarrassing quite frankly. Someone who can grapple and box is 'hard'. Someone who watches 'Kill Bill' and has fantasies about standing in a stream whilst wearing a dress needs to have a word with himself 
But seriously, I need to cater for a large group in approx 9 weeks. If you could help me with the vegetable prep It'd be deadly
But seriously, I need to cater for a large group in approx 9 weeks. If you could help me with the vegetable prep It'd be deadly
Liokault said:
No words.threads like these always remind me of the friends episode, unagi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-zDIxNht4
some people do a few karate lessons, and in there head they are suddenly 7th dan master's ready to do 'chop time.' Always aware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-zDIxNht4
some people do a few karate lessons, and in there head they are suddenly 7th dan master's ready to do 'chop time.' Always aware.
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