Vaccine side effects
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Evanivitch said:
The CDC have never, ever said that vaccines prevent transmission of any CV19 variant.
So why are you misrepresenting them, repeatedly?
All you had to do was googleSo why are you misrepresenting them, repeatedly?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/...
Quote:
A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others.
APontus said:
If you want to ignore what is happening it's entirely up to you. It won't affect my life.
The CDC and others now fully realise the vaccines don't prevent transmission of Delta. That is why the advice to citizens has changed (mask up, even if vaccinated). This is possibly just the start.
This news is appearing in the mainstream press and across the political divide.
Reading the paper the CDC seem to have used as basis it’s remarkable how many disclaimers it has pretty well very conclusion is disclaimed in same paper as further research required. The CDC and others now fully realise the vaccines don't prevent transmission of Delta. That is why the advice to citizens has changed (mask up, even if vaccinated). This is possibly just the start.
This news is appearing in the mainstream press and across the political divide.
The statement below in the report made me chuckle at least.
CDC said:
First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak.
How CDC have reacted seems to me as if they’ve jumped down the precautionary principle rabbit hole, which you have to set against overall level of vax and previous infection. The surprisingly low level of antibody positive people (vax or infection) in the overall pop hints that US public health do need to think about being cautious.
Transmission blocking isn’t some magic on and off switch where the vax either blocks or doesn’t but lots of shades of grey. Those that think of it being like a switch are about to schooled by CV19. Which incidentally is why zerocovid is a pipe dream. You can’t imho vax your way out of pandemic in a single magical bound. You can make exiting a lot less s
t and deathly by doing so.In terms of ADE and OAS there is nothing published as of yet to say that those vaxxed if later infected with delta don’t go on to produce natural antibodies that are a better match to delta (or any other variant for that matter).
RipTrip1 said:
Evanivitch said:
The CDC have never, ever said that vaccines prevent transmission of any CV19 variant.
So why are you misrepresenting them, repeatedly?
All you had to do was googleSo why are you misrepresenting them, repeatedly?
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/...
Quote:
A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others.
Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
APontus said:
Evanivitch said:
"Less likely"
Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
You're dancing on the head of a pin. The public were sold one story and the reality is now different. Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
People deserve honesty and the chance to make educated decisions.
APontus said:
Evanivitch said:
"Less likely"
Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
You're dancing on the head of a pin. The public were sold one story and the reality is now different. Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
People deserve honesty and the chance to make educated decisions.
Otherwise, I'll assume it's your own misinterpretation, again.
Evanivitch said:
"Less likely"
Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfizer-vaccine-prevents-covid-transmission-5116193Not "prevent".
How hard is that to understand?
Key Takeaways
Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine can help prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Research has shown that the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Doctors say that it’s likely the other COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. will have similar results.
So yes, what APontus said is an entirely fair opinion, the public was sold on the idea that vaccines prevent transmission.
Unless you want to argue that, if tomorrow headlines across the world said, 'Onions are 94% effective at causing cancer', you're telling me the public wouldn't be sold on the narrative that onions cause cancer?
RipTrip1 said:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfizer-vaccine-prev...
Key Takeaways
Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine can help prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Research has shown that the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Doctors say that it’s likely the other COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. will have similar results.
So yes, what APontus said is an entirely fair opinion, the public was sold on the idea that vaccines prevent transmission.
Unless you want to argue that, if tomorrow headlines across the world said, 'Onions are 94% effective at causing cancer', you're telling me the public wouldn't be sold on the narrative that onions cause cancer?
That's a study conducted from January to March 2021. Presumably, at that point the data were correct. Key Takeaways
Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine can help prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Research has shown that the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Doctors say that it’s likely the other COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. will have similar results.
So yes, what APontus said is an entirely fair opinion, the public was sold on the idea that vaccines prevent transmission.
Unless you want to argue that, if tomorrow headlines across the world said, 'Onions are 94% effective at causing cancer', you're telling me the public wouldn't be sold on the narrative that onions cause cancer?
RipTrip1 said:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfizer-vaccine-prev...
Key Takeaways
Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine can help prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Research has shown that the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Doctors say that it’s likely the other COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. will have similar results.
So yes, what APontus said is an entirely fair opinion, the public was sold on the idea that vaccines prevent transmission.
Unless you want to argue that, if tomorrow headlines across the world said, 'Onions are 94% effective at causing cancer', you're telling me the public wouldn't be sold on the narrative that onions cause cancer?
This is too funny.Key Takeaways
Pfizer announced that its COVID-19 vaccine can help prevent the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Research has shown that the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the spread of COVID-19.
Doctors say that it’s likely the other COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. will have similar results.
So yes, what APontus said is an entirely fair opinion, the public was sold on the idea that vaccines prevent transmission.
Unless you want to argue that, if tomorrow headlines across the world said, 'Onions are 94% effective at causing cancer', you're telling me the public wouldn't be sold on the narrative that onions cause cancer?
So you've just proven that we've never been told vaccines completely prevent transmission.
And also, your source, good lord your source, is neither British, governmental, CDC or a direct link to a vaccine manufacturer.
Here's the actual Pfizer press release.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-re...
No wonder you're more confused than the average joe-public.
RipTrip1 said:
paulguitar said:
No, you have failed to undertsand. Again.
Agreed, I am not currently under any sand, I didn't realise that was a requirement.t about some really serious stuff.Evanivitch said:
This is too funny.
So you've just proven that we've never been told vaccines completely prevent transmission.
And also, your source, good lord your source, is neither British, governmental, CDC or a direct link to a vaccine manufacturer.
Here's the actual Pfizer press release.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-re...
No wonder you're more confused than the average joe-public.
My source was an article written with data direct from Pfizer, can you not read?So you've just proven that we've never been told vaccines completely prevent transmission.
And also, your source, good lord your source, is neither British, governmental, CDC or a direct link to a vaccine manufacturer.
Here's the actual Pfizer press release.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-re...
No wonder you're more confused than the average joe-public.
Quote:
On March 11, 2021, Pfizer made the announcement that its mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 was 94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.1
What mental gymnastic techniques will you think of next. We've already had, 'At the time the data was correct', I don't think even you could do worse than that!
paulguitar said:
You're highly opinionated but very, very confused. It would be more funny if you weren't spreading st about some really serious stuff.
Don't you have a riff to be learning? Maybe you could collab with Eric Clapton, oh wait..t about some really serious stuff..
https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/eric-clap...
isaldiri said:
Well, generally accepted that they do help yes. That belief however has not been based on any even reasonably strong evidence anywhere of real world usage. The quoted studies are lab based or observational with lots of other confounding variables - no one anywhere seems to have been interested in figuring how to do a proper RCT (which to be fair wouldn't be easy) to test whether said intervention has had any use at all.
It was simply recommended on the premise of being 'precautionary' based on weak evidence (as acknowledged in various sage/who etc papers) in an emergency but for all manner of reasons no one afterwards seemed motivated to continue to seek the data that would justify it's continuation.
Taleb did a good writing on this, have a look.It was simply recommended on the premise of being 'precautionary' based on weak evidence (as acknowledged in various sage/who etc papers) in an emergency but for all manner of reasons no one afterwards seemed motivated to continue to seek the data that would justify it's continuation.
https://medium.com/incerto/the-masks-masquerade-7d...
RipTrip1 said:
My source was an article written with data direct from Pfizer, can you not read?
Quote:
On March 11, 2021, Pfizer made the announcement that its mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 was 94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.1
What mental gymnastic techniques will you think of next. We've already had, 'At the time the data was correct', I don't think even you could do worse than that!
You don't understand primary and secondary sources do you? Which leads me to believe you've not studied anything beyond GCSE.Quote:
On March 11, 2021, Pfizer made the announcement that its mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 was 94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.1
What mental gymnastic techniques will you think of next. We've already had, 'At the time the data was correct', I don't think even you could do worse than that!
Read the Pfizer press release. Tell me where it says it "94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission".
RipTrip1 said:
Don't you have a riff to be learning?
I don't actually, I'm pretty well-rehearsed and have three weeks to relax in Miami before some actual work starts.RipTrip1 said:
Maybe you could collab with Eric Clapton, oh wait..
.
https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/eric-clap...
Yeah, I saw Clapton and Van Morisson had been embarrassing themselves. Not the first time for Clapton of course, I've not had much time for him since discovered he'd said this at one of his concerts:.
https://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/eric-clap...
Evanivitch said:
You don't understand primary and secondary sources do you? Which leads me to believe you've not studied anything beyond GCSE.
Read the Pfizer press release. Tell me where it says it "94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission".
The type of source is irrelevent. What matters is what the PUBLIC sees and reads, or have you forgotten that?Read the Pfizer press release. Tell me where it says it "94% effective at preventing the asymptomatic transmission".
Either way, the latest 'facts' aka the latest narrative, says we can all spread covid very easily to each other. So what next, facemasks indefinitely? Probably the best shout, no?
paulguitar said:
Yeah, I saw Clapton and Van Morisson had been embarrassing themselves. Not the first time for Clapton of course, I've not had much time for him since discovered he'd said this at one of his concerts:
What a disgusting display. Hard to believe this is from the same man who wrote and sang Tears In Heaven. Maybe he never mentally recovered. Racism aside, that doesn't discount the fact he experienced quite severe vaccine side effects. And unless the law prevents it, he is within his rights to allow concert goers to not have to be vaxxed or even tested. Not that any of that matters since the virus spreads relatively easily whether vaxxed or not.
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