Most grams of protein per pound?
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Ordinary_Chap said:
If you don't eat enough you're not giving your body what it needs for optimal growth. You may still grow to some extent but you'll not achieve the same results with a less than great diet.
Diet is about 70% of the end result.
So I still need lots of protein to build muscle not just for recovery? I've increased my protein intake eg more tuna and beef but it might not be enough. I don't want to go crazy with it, though.Diet is about 70% of the end result.
RemainAllHoof said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
If you don't eat enough you're not giving your body what it needs for optimal growth. You may still grow to some extent but you'll not achieve the same results with a less than great diet.
Diet is about 70% of the end result.
So I still need lots of protein to build muscle not just for recovery? I've increased my protein intake eg more tuna and beef but it might not be enough. I don't want to go crazy with it, though.Diet is about 70% of the end result.
The other thing that is important here is ensuring you're eating enough of everything else too! If I were you I'd start with an additional 500 calories in your diet each day from what is required. Dependent on your shape you may gain some fat during this process but this is sometimes what you pay for growth. It's not the same for everyone but a great deal of the population will gain some fat during their bulking phase. Hence the need for bulking and cutting.
A lot of this is simply trial and error and although the principles hold true for everyone, our bodies react in different ways to these things.
Yeah, I remember from that ebook you recommended. Just trying to figure out how important protein is. If it just means a slower recovery if my protein intake is slower, that's fine; I only train twice a week and I do feel sore for 2-3 days after. I've noticed this from climbing but various relevant muscles had grown anyway. I think I'm on the right track but am running out of weights so am joining a gym.
RemainAllHoof said:
Yeah, I remember from that ebook you recommended. Just trying to figure out how important protein is. If it just means a slower recovery if my protein intake is slower, that's fine; I only train twice a week and I do feel sore for 2-3 days after. I've noticed this from climbing but various relevant muscles had grown anyway. I think I'm on the right track but am running out of weights so am joining a gym.
Protein is the most important of what you eat essentially when it comes to growth. Why not investigate different types of protein you can integrate into your diet?
Although outside of that if you're happy with your progress and how things are going then maybe there's no need to change anything. If you want improved growth and less soreness then rethinking these things maybe useful.
I think growth works best when all elements are lined up, i.e. training, sleep and diet. Over the past couple of years I've been able to rapidly increase growth from what I've learn't.
I've still got a massive amount of learning to do yet and I'm still fairly small so I think I will keep learning more tricks as time goes by.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Although outside of that if you're happy with your progress and how things are going then maybe there's no need to change anything. If you want improved growth and less soreness then rethinking these things maybe useful.
I think growth works best when all elements are lined up, i.e. training, sleep and diet. Over the past couple of years I've been able to rapidly increase growth from what I've learn't.
I've still got a massive amount of learning to do yet and I'm still fairly small so I think I will keep learning more tricks as time goes by.
Yeah, I've increased my sleep and certainly increased my "natural" protein intake (tuna, beef, nuts, seeds, unsweetened peanut butter). TBH, I want to get to somewhere between where you were in the "before" photos and the men's health kind of physique - nothing further.I think growth works best when all elements are lined up, i.e. training, sleep and diet. Over the past couple of years I've been able to rapidly increase growth from what I've learn't.
I've still got a massive amount of learning to do yet and I'm still fairly small so I think I will keep learning more tricks as time goes by.
RemainAllHoof said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Although outside of that if you're happy with your progress and how things are going then maybe there's no need to change anything. If you want improved growth and less soreness then rethinking these things maybe useful.
I think growth works best when all elements are lined up, i.e. training, sleep and diet. Over the past couple of years I've been able to rapidly increase growth from what I've learn't.
I've still got a massive amount of learning to do yet and I'm still fairly small so I think I will keep learning more tricks as time goes by.
Yeah, I've increased my sleep and certainly increased my "natural" protein intake (tuna, beef, nuts, seeds, unsweetened peanut butter). TBH, I want to get to somewhere between where you were in the "before" photos and the men's health kind of physique - nothing further.I think growth works best when all elements are lined up, i.e. training, sleep and diet. Over the past couple of years I've been able to rapidly increase growth from what I've learn't.
I've still got a massive amount of learning to do yet and I'm still fairly small so I think I will keep learning more tricks as time goes by.
It maybe worth experimenting with protein to for a month or two at a time to see how you respond. You'll only need to do it once and then you'll know what works for you.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Then you're probably on the right track and don't need to go crazy with the protein or use protein powders.
It maybe worth experimenting with protein to for a month or two at a time to see how you respond. You'll only need to do it once and then you'll know what works for you.
Oh, good point! It maybe worth experimenting with protein to for a month or two at a time to see how you respond. You'll only need to do it once and then you'll know what works for you.
Out of interest, if you cut out protein powder from your diet but continued with the training and diet otherwise, what would happen to your physique?
RemainAllHoof said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Then you're probably on the right track and don't need to go crazy with the protein or use protein powders.
It maybe worth experimenting with protein to for a month or two at a time to see how you respond. You'll only need to do it once and then you'll know what works for you.
Oh, good point! It maybe worth experimenting with protein to for a month or two at a time to see how you respond. You'll only need to do it once and then you'll know what works for you.
Out of interest, if you cut out protein powder from your diet but continued with the training and diet otherwise, what would happen to your physique?
I put food far ahead of any protein powder.
Ordinary_Chap said:
Of course, if you can eat enough.
Actually nearly all supplements are not required if you can eat enough and 90% supplements are rubbish anyway.
Most recommend 1-2g of protein per pound of body weight. I usually aim for 1.5g, I aim for over 300g of protein each day.
Protein powder is purely for convenience although it can be especially helpful when trying to lose body fat and maintain muscle (less calories usually than eating food forms of protein) or when you need to take on a lot of protein for bulking.
The usual recommendation I've seen is 1-2g of protein per KG of body weight. 300 seems like a ridiculous figure. Have you noticed much difference in gains between that and eating a more natural amount?Actually nearly all supplements are not required if you can eat enough and 90% supplements are rubbish anyway.
Most recommend 1-2g of protein per pound of body weight. I usually aim for 1.5g, I aim for over 300g of protein each day.
Protein powder is purely for convenience although it can be especially helpful when trying to lose body fat and maintain muscle (less calories usually than eating food forms of protein) or when you need to take on a lot of protein for bulking.
Meoricin said:
Ordinary_Chap said:
Of course, if you can eat enough.
Actually nearly all supplements are not required if you can eat enough and 90% supplements are rubbish anyway.
Most recommend 1-2g of protein per pound of body weight. I usually aim for 1.5g, I aim for over 300g of protein each day.
Protein powder is purely for convenience although it can be especially helpful when trying to lose body fat and maintain muscle (less calories usually than eating food forms of protein) or when you need to take on a lot of protein for bulking.
The usual recommendation I've seen is 1-2g of protein per KG of body weight. 300 seems like a ridiculous figure. Have you noticed much difference in gains between that and eating a more natural amount?Actually nearly all supplements are not required if you can eat enough and 90% supplements are rubbish anyway.
Most recommend 1-2g of protein per pound of body weight. I usually aim for 1.5g, I aim for over 300g of protein each day.
Protein powder is purely for convenience although it can be especially helpful when trying to lose body fat and maintain muscle (less calories usually than eating food forms of protein) or when you need to take on a lot of protein for bulking.
This is really standard practice for bodybuilders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jon7.htm
Oh yes, I've experimented alot of over the past 2 years and it helps me immensely. I'm a big believer in each individual figuring out what works for them because it does seem to be different for different folk. I gained 2 stone last year although I did do an epic bulk to get that which I'm not sure if I want to do again.
And a little off topic...
I've recently being playing with BCAA's after a lot of folk have recommended it to me including my Doctor. Previously I've been skeptical due to the science being questionable i.e. as many studies saying it doesn't make a difference as there are saying it does. Also a lot of the studies have as normal being based on testing of rats and I really don't believe in that stuff.
The soreness/tiredness seems to be drastically reduced by sipping BCAA's through a training session. I suspect if I took regular protein during the session the outcome would be the same although I find its easy to use BCAA's even though it tastes horrible!
Ordinary_Chap said:
I'm aware of the two measures. The KG measurement is for the standard population and generally folk in the bodybuilding world work off per pound.
This is really standard practice for bodybuilders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jon7.htm
Oh yes, I've experimented alot of over the past 2 years and it helps me immensely. I'm a big believer in each individual figuring out what works for them because it does seem to be different for different folk. I gained 2 stone last year although I did do an epic bulk to get that which I'm not sure if I want to do again.
And a little off topic...
I've recently being playing with BCAA's after a lot of folk have recommended it to me including my Doctor. Previously I've been skeptical due to the science being questionable i.e. as many studies saying it doesn't make a difference as there are saying it does. Also a lot of the studies have as normal being based on testing of rats and I really don't believe in that stuff.
The soreness/tiredness seems to be drastically reduced by sipping BCAA's through a training session. I suspect if I took regular protein during the session the outcome would be the same although I find its easy to use BCAA's even though it tastes horrible!
I might have to have a look at drastically increasing my protein intake for a while, then, to try it out. The KG/g ratio I found appears to have come from an old study which suggested that 2.4g/kg was virtually the same in terms of results to 1.4g/kg, and 0.8 was recommended for sedentiary healthy people.This is really standard practice for bodybuilders.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jon7.htm
Oh yes, I've experimented alot of over the past 2 years and it helps me immensely. I'm a big believer in each individual figuring out what works for them because it does seem to be different for different folk. I gained 2 stone last year although I did do an epic bulk to get that which I'm not sure if I want to do again.
And a little off topic...
I've recently being playing with BCAA's after a lot of folk have recommended it to me including my Doctor. Previously I've been skeptical due to the science being questionable i.e. as many studies saying it doesn't make a difference as there are saying it does. Also a lot of the studies have as normal being based on testing of rats and I really don't believe in that stuff.
The soreness/tiredness seems to be drastically reduced by sipping BCAA's through a training session. I suspect if I took regular protein during the session the outcome would be the same although I find its easy to use BCAA's even though it tastes horrible!
Definitely agree on individual results though - my kcal requirements seem way off most recognised figures (I get by very well on very low kcal, and gain weight ridiculously quickly if I up it, though a high proportion of that is fat)
Currently testing a Paleo diet for a while, which means pretty high protein intake compared to what I'm used to, but once I've levelled out and settled into routine I may get some protein shakes again.
Ordinary_Chap said:
I've always been interested in the Paelo diet although never having done it myself.
I'd be interested to see how you get on, if you could post about it in the transformation thread, I'd grateful although if you'd prefer not too then thats cool.
Lee
It actually hasn't occurred to me to take pics of myself for years now. I may take a start pic in the next few days - I'm not really sure on my goals at the moment though. The Paleo thing has come from my Dad and Brother starting it seriously. I figure I'll stick with it for a bit, see what kind of effect it has on me, and then ditch it if I don't like the results.I'd be interested to see how you get on, if you could post about it in the transformation thread, I'd grateful although if you'd prefer not too then thats cool.
Lee
In theory it'll be quite good for stripping fat off, but I'm wondering just how light/skinny I'll be if I drop too much fat. I've always sat at between 18 and 24% in the past (well, since I started lifting, I think I may have been higher when I was 'skinnyfat' beforehand)
The first week was horrible though. I hadn't bought food specifically for it, so I was trying to get by on what was kicking around the house. I struggled to get more than 1k calories a day, and I was really really craving some pasta/rice/bread. I've managed to push that up to 1800~ average now, and the worst of the hunger/cravings have gone away.
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