Vaccine side effects
Discussion
ddom said:
isaldiri said:
Well... How did you know that it was the vaccination that made the difference rather than simply you already having had prior exposure from infection the first time? Reinfection data even prior to vaccination had already long been suggesting much more mild disease. It isn't quite as clearcut as you are implying it's all due to the vaccinations that made it less severe now....
I thick the rather large amount of hospitalisations and deaths the first time around would show a few holes in that theory? It looks like the current virus is less severe, but who knows, affects us all differently. That quite a few people died on initial exposure to the virus doesn't exactly show any holes in that theory does it?
glazbagun said:
JagLover said:
I was "lucky" enough to get that after the first Pfizer jab. So I suspect all the comments on how "rare" it is are complete cr*p and they know it.
I mean that's an illogical statement right there, .Either we all got very unlucky or the true rate is much higher.
ddom said:
It’s this kind of stupid advice that has led to the most vulnerable people to avoid the vaccination. It’s stupid at best to talk about COVID as ‘petty’. Having had it twice now it wasn’t life threatening, but having experienced it both before the vaccinations and after the difference was marked.
Staggering logic there, well done 
Survives COVID, then gets vaccinated, then survives COVID again and it’s all thanks to the vaccine…
Leptons said:
ddom said:
It’s this kind of stupid advice that has led to the most vulnerable people to avoid the vaccination. It’s stupid at best to talk about COVID as ‘petty’. Having had it twice now it wasn’t life threatening, but having experienced it both before the vaccinations and after the difference was marked.
Staggering logic there, well done Survives COVID, then gets vaccinated, then survives COVID again and it’s all thanks to the vaccine…
Elatino1 said:
Leptons said:
ddom said:
It’s this kind of stupid advice that has led to the most vulnerable people to avoid the vaccination. It’s stupid at best to talk about COVID as ‘petty’. Having had it twice now it wasn’t life threatening, but having experienced it both before the vaccinations and after the difference was marked.
Staggering logic there, well done Survives COVID, then gets vaccinated, then survives COVID again and it’s all thanks to the vaccine…
GayBidet said:
My experience of the vaccinations:
I’m in my mid to late fifties. I’m fit and active, but I have a health issue that means I am classed as vulnerable.
I had my first jab in February. Pfizer. The only side effect was a sore arm.
I had my second jab in April. Pfizer again. No side effects at all, not even a sore arm.
I had my third jab on the 18th December. A full dose of Moderna, rather than the booster dose. I wasn’t anticipating any side effects. In fact I went for a two hour walk with a friend later the same day. During the walk I felt normal, then suddenly had a massive stabbing pain in the left of my chest. I half joked with my friend that he shouldn’t be alarmed, but I might be having a heart attack. The pain disappeared within seconds. We continued the walk and I had no further issues.
I woke in the early hours of the 19th with lower body pains and feeling generally a bit off colour. I ran a bath at about 5.00am and fell asleep in it. I woke up feeling terrible. I had a minor headache and a raised temperature. That was manageable, but I had strong lower body pains and I felt increasingly nauseous. Thinking that I would soon be sick I took position over the toilet. Thank God I was there as with next to no warning I had explosive diarrhoea. As soon as that was finished I was sick. The diarrhoea didn’t happen again, but I was vomiting about once an hour for the next ten hours or so. I stayed in bed as much as possible and felt absolutely terrible and had fevered dreams, waking regularly with more stabbing pains over my heart.
I had pre-booked leave on the 20th. The nausea and vomiting had stopped and the headache and fever were gone. The stabbing pains from the left side of chest made themselves known every few hours. I had fatigue and had a complete inability to eat or drink anything. God knows why, but I assumed that I would be recovered by the next day.
I walked into work on the 21st and felt quite a bit better. This only lasted for twenty minutes or so. I felt dreadful and fell asleep at my desk. Two colleagues whose views I trust told me that I looked really unwell and they urged me to go home. I went home and slept from 3.00pm until 9.30am the next day.
I stayed home on the 22nd and the 23rd. Still had fatigue and no desire at all for food or drink. Oh, and the occasional stabbing pains, though they were less frequent.
Feeling guilty about being off I returned to work on the 24th. Still felt fatigued and gladly left after three hours.
Awoke on Christmas morning and felt so much better and this has continued. All of the side effects that I had are known issues with Moderna and there is a reasonable chance that they will last for up to seven days as they did with me.
My wife had the Moderna booster at the same time as me and only had a headache!!
I’m still getting the stabbing pains from the left side of my chest once or twice a day which is worrying, but the pains are becoming less severe.
Will I have another jab? Probably yes, but I can’t promise.
What exactly would make you say 'No more, thanks'?! I’m in my mid to late fifties. I’m fit and active, but I have a health issue that means I am classed as vulnerable.
I had my first jab in February. Pfizer. The only side effect was a sore arm.
I had my second jab in April. Pfizer again. No side effects at all, not even a sore arm.
I had my third jab on the 18th December. A full dose of Moderna, rather than the booster dose. I wasn’t anticipating any side effects. In fact I went for a two hour walk with a friend later the same day. During the walk I felt normal, then suddenly had a massive stabbing pain in the left of my chest. I half joked with my friend that he shouldn’t be alarmed, but I might be having a heart attack. The pain disappeared within seconds. We continued the walk and I had no further issues.
I woke in the early hours of the 19th with lower body pains and feeling generally a bit off colour. I ran a bath at about 5.00am and fell asleep in it. I woke up feeling terrible. I had a minor headache and a raised temperature. That was manageable, but I had strong lower body pains and I felt increasingly nauseous. Thinking that I would soon be sick I took position over the toilet. Thank God I was there as with next to no warning I had explosive diarrhoea. As soon as that was finished I was sick. The diarrhoea didn’t happen again, but I was vomiting about once an hour for the next ten hours or so. I stayed in bed as much as possible and felt absolutely terrible and had fevered dreams, waking regularly with more stabbing pains over my heart.
I had pre-booked leave on the 20th. The nausea and vomiting had stopped and the headache and fever were gone. The stabbing pains from the left side of chest made themselves known every few hours. I had fatigue and had a complete inability to eat or drink anything. God knows why, but I assumed that I would be recovered by the next day.
I walked into work on the 21st and felt quite a bit better. This only lasted for twenty minutes or so. I felt dreadful and fell asleep at my desk. Two colleagues whose views I trust told me that I looked really unwell and they urged me to go home. I went home and slept from 3.00pm until 9.30am the next day.
I stayed home on the 22nd and the 23rd. Still had fatigue and no desire at all for food or drink. Oh, and the occasional stabbing pains, though they were less frequent.
Feeling guilty about being off I returned to work on the 24th. Still felt fatigued and gladly left after three hours.
Awoke on Christmas morning and felt so much better and this has continued. All of the side effects that I had are known issues with Moderna and there is a reasonable chance that they will last for up to seven days as they did with me.
My wife had the Moderna booster at the same time as me and only had a headache!!
I’m still getting the stabbing pains from the left side of my chest once or twice a day which is worrying, but the pains are becoming less severe.
Will I have another jab? Probably yes, but I can’t promise.
ddom said:
Elatino1 said:
Leptons said:
ddom said:
It’s this kind of stupid advice that has led to the most vulnerable people to avoid the vaccination. It’s stupid at best to talk about COVID as ‘petty’. Having had it twice now it wasn’t life threatening, but having experienced it both before the vaccinations and after the difference was marked.
Staggering logic there, well done Survives COVID, then gets vaccinated, then survives COVID again and it’s all thanks to the vaccine…
Exposure to the whole virus should also be more effective against 'variants' because the body has had exposure to more than just the spike proteins, which are the things that change in the variants (AIUI) and therefore become different to those produced by the injections (which is why they are talking about tailoring injections to variants).
RSTurboPaul said:
There are various papers showing natural immunity is better than vaccine-derived immunity, due to the body seeing the whole virus and not just selected spike proteins from it.
Exposure to the whole virus should also be more effective against 'variants' because the body has had exposure to more than just the spike proteins, which are the things that change in the variants (AIUI) and therefore become different to those produced by the injections (which is why they are talking about tailoring injections to variants).
I hope so. My daughter had it recently and I was fine. There’s some theory that if you catch COVID after you’ve been vaccinated your resistance could be very high. But who knows. As for side effects none really on 1 and 2 then light headed and generally feeling drunk for a few hours on the 3rd. Exposure to the whole virus should also be more effective against 'variants' because the body has had exposure to more than just the spike proteins, which are the things that change in the variants (AIUI) and therefore become different to those produced by the injections (which is why they are talking about tailoring injections to variants).
RSTurboPaul said:
There are various papers showing natural immunity is better than vaccine-derived immunity, due to the body seeing the whole virus and not just selected spike proteins from it.
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Well, you must definitely inform British Society of Immunology and CDC, as they probably skipped these "various papers". .
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/...
ooid said:
RSTurboPaul said:
There are various papers showing natural immunity is better than vaccine-derived immunity, due to the body seeing the whole virus and not just selected spike proteins from it.
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Well, you must definitely inform British Society of Immunology and CDC, as they probably skipped these "various papers". .
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/...
Have you got anything more up-to-date?
27 year old, fairly fit and active male.
First 2 x doses of Pfizer, all good aside from slight fatigue on second dose.
Had the Moderna booster on Tuesday evening and it completely flattened me yesterday. Very tired, no energy, achey and a bit clammy - although nowhere near as bad as when I had COVID in September.
Feeling better today thankfully!
First 2 x doses of Pfizer, all good aside from slight fatigue on second dose.
Had the Moderna booster on Tuesday evening and it completely flattened me yesterday. Very tired, no energy, achey and a bit clammy - although nowhere near as bad as when I had COVID in September.
Feeling better today thankfully!
ooid said:
RSTurboPaul said:
There are various papers showing natural immunity is better than vaccine-derived immunity, due to the body seeing the whole virus and not just selected spike proteins from it.
.
Well, you must definitely inform British Society of Immunology and CDC, as they probably skipped these "various papers". .
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/...
Harrison Bergeron said:
Wow that’s amazing. They know that the vaccines produce long lasting immunity and they don’t know if infection does.
Yet they seem to know whatever protection they don't know you get from infection reduces over time, but it seems they neglected to say the same for the vaccine.JagLover said:
glazbagun said:
JagLover said:
I was "lucky" enough to get that after the first Pfizer jab. So I suspect all the comments on how "rare" it is are complete cr*p and they know it.
I mean that's an illogical statement right there, .Either we all got very unlucky or the true rate is much higher.
From my previous post, I had 8 more episodes of heart palpitations on Wednesday and feeling like I am about to faint. (3 x Pfizer, 3rd on 17th Dec, 15 min cardiac episode on 22nd).
To recap, 36, in good health no history of heart issues, non smoker/drinker.
Went hospital, 40 people queuing out the door and its a 2-3hr wait before you even get checked in.
Went home and it happened again and I called an ambulance, 15 mins to answer my 999 call and 2+ hrs to arrive (on the arriving part I admittedly said I'm ok for now which could have deprioritised my call) but 15 mins to answer is terrifying if it was a true emergency.
They did all checks and everything seemed ok, said call your GP which I did yesterday, bloods booked in and a 24hr ECG.
Yesterday had a few very smallish episodes, today touch wood I have been OK I just feel slightly groggy.
I'm pro vaccination but I am done with any further vaccines for Covid if there will be any.
To recap, 36, in good health no history of heart issues, non smoker/drinker.
Went hospital, 40 people queuing out the door and its a 2-3hr wait before you even get checked in.
Went home and it happened again and I called an ambulance, 15 mins to answer my 999 call and 2+ hrs to arrive (on the arriving part I admittedly said I'm ok for now which could have deprioritised my call) but 15 mins to answer is terrifying if it was a true emergency.
They did all checks and everything seemed ok, said call your GP which I did yesterday, bloods booked in and a 24hr ECG.
Yesterday had a few very smallish episodes, today touch wood I have been OK I just feel slightly groggy.
I'm pro vaccination but I am done with any further vaccines for Covid if there will be any.
TheGreatDane said:
From my previous post, I had 8 more episodes of heart palpitations on Wednesday and feeling like I am about to faint. (3 x Pfizer, 3rd on 17th Dec, 15 min cardiac episode on 22nd).
To recap, 36, in good health no history of heart issues, non smoker/drinker.
Went hospital, 40 people queuing out the door and its a 2-3hr wait before you even get checked in.
Went home and it happened again and I called an ambulance, 15 mins to answer my 999 call and 2+ hrs to arrive (on the arriving part I admittedly said I'm ok for now which could have deprioritised my call) but 15 mins to answer is terrifying if it was a true emergency.
They did all checks and everything seemed ok, said call your GP which I did yesterday, bloods booked in and a 24hr ECG.
Yesterday had a few very smallish episodes, today touch wood I have been OK I just feel slightly groggy.
I'm pro vaccination but I am done with any further vaccines for Covid if there will be any.
Hopefully the 24hour ECG will pick up anything that is happening - transient stuff is a PITA, it's like when your car is making a weird noise but it stops every time you book it in to get looked at... lolTo recap, 36, in good health no history of heart issues, non smoker/drinker.
Went hospital, 40 people queuing out the door and its a 2-3hr wait before you even get checked in.
Went home and it happened again and I called an ambulance, 15 mins to answer my 999 call and 2+ hrs to arrive (on the arriving part I admittedly said I'm ok for now which could have deprioritised my call) but 15 mins to answer is terrifying if it was a true emergency.
They did all checks and everything seemed ok, said call your GP which I did yesterday, bloods booked in and a 24hr ECG.
Yesterday had a few very smallish episodes, today touch wood I have been OK I just feel slightly groggy.
I'm pro vaccination but I am done with any further vaccines for Covid if there will be any.
I'd avoid doing anything strenuous until you have clarity on what is happening!
I think I remember reading that a 'D-dimer' (??) test can pick up micro-clotting - I'm not sure if that's something we have access to via standard blood tests over here but it could be worth reading up on and asking about if it is a potential diagnosis tool.
t !RSTurboPaul said:
Hopefully the 24hour ECG will pick up anything that is happening - transient stuff is a PITA, it's like when your car is making a weird noise but it stops every time you book it in to get looked at... lol
I'd avoid doing anything strenuous until you have clarity on what is happening!
I think I remember reading that a 'D-dimer' (??) test can pick up micro-clotting - I'm not sure if that's something we have access to via standard blood tests over here but it could be worth reading up on and asking about if it is a potential diagnosis tool.
D-dimer testing is carried out by NHS when there are concerns about clotting. That is how they picked up Clots after my AZ vaccine. Although they didn’t realise they were caused by the vaccine at first, which is a different course of treatment to standard clotting. I'd avoid doing anything strenuous until you have clarity on what is happening!
I think I remember reading that a 'D-dimer' (??) test can pick up micro-clotting - I'm not sure if that's something we have access to via standard blood tests over here but it could be worth reading up on and asking about if it is a potential diagnosis tool.
wattsm666 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Hopefully the 24hour ECG will pick up anything that is happening - transient stuff is a PITA, it's like when your car is making a weird noise but it stops every time you book it in to get looked at... lol
I'd avoid doing anything strenuous until you have clarity on what is happening!
I think I remember reading that a 'D-dimer' (??) test can pick up micro-clotting - I'm not sure if that's something we have access to via standard blood tests over here but it could be worth reading up on and asking about if it is a potential diagnosis tool.
D-dimer testing is carried out by NHS when there are concerns about clotting. That is how they picked up Clots after my AZ vaccine. Although they didn’t realise they were caused by the vaccine at first, which is a different course of treatment to standard clotting. I'd avoid doing anything strenuous until you have clarity on what is happening!
I think I remember reading that a 'D-dimer' (??) test can pick up micro-clotting - I'm not sure if that's something we have access to via standard blood tests over here but it could be worth reading up on and asking about if it is a potential diagnosis tool.
IIRC there have been reports about low platelet count clotting following the injections, which I think is the unusual thing compared to 'normal' clotting.
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