PHAT fighters Q1 Weight Loss Challenge
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I am stationary on 15 st 9, it wont budge, I know it will if I do it right, been pretty good all week and being a glass half full person, at least it hasnt gone up.
Have been to the gym twice for an hour, going again tomorrow, walked about seven miles over the week, cycled 42 miles and eaten circa 2000 cals a day.
Have been to the gym twice for an hour, going again tomorrow, walked about seven miles over the week, cycled 42 miles and eaten circa 2000 cals a day.
I was down to 14 stone on the nose yesterday morning - but wasn't so well behaved as went to Autosport International with my Dad. Maybe 2500-3000 cals for the day....ooops. Still hopefully given the amount of moving about done there will only be limited damage.
Off for a run at lunch and back on the being good bus today and will have another bike ride at the weekend providing the roads aren't too bad
Off for a run at lunch and back on the being good bus today and will have another bike ride at the weekend providing the roads aren't too bad
AndStilliRise said:
All sorts of worrying stuff
Please take this as it's intended - out of concern rather than being critical. Indeed, you can just go TLDR, but I thought I'd type it anyway.I've re-read the entire thread to see what you've written and how you've responded to peoples comments so I'm not typing blindly, but I do have some observations.
Reality check here. We're the same height, yet you weigh 15kg less than I do. And I'm moderately tubby, but by 21st century standards, in pretty good shape. I can run a sub two half marathon, do a hilly 35 miles at a push, and shove my boy round parkrun in his buggy in 24 mins.
I, like you, enjoy reading about what pro athletes do, how they train, what they eat. However, if there's one message that's come through consistently from every coach I've ever spoken to, listened to on podcast or read articles by, it's that the best results come from tailoring a program to the individual. What works for one person doesn't work for another with the same results, even if exactly replicated. A really good example is last weeks MarathonTalk podcast, with coach Jack Daniels. It's worth a listen.
So considering Nairo Quintana, who has literally teams of people advising him and managing his life isn't really fair, unless all you do is have your private chef prepare you nutritionally optimised foods based on your training plan, while you have your swannie rub you down to keep your muscles optimally loose, then spend the rest of your day resting to recover optimally. Is he really 59kg all the time? Or is that his race starting weight? Is that his TdF week three weight? Bear in mind he's also going to be pushing the envelope in terms of sustainable weight versus performance. He'll risk a very weak immune system to lose the final kgs because he doesn't have to, for example, go the germ factory that is a nursery/supermarket/bus/train... Prior to the 2012 Olympics, the British track team were essentially segregated from all but essential staff to avoid illness, so low was their resistance.
Secondly, the body is a funny thing. If you starve it of calories and place it under duress by, for example, running long distances, it recognises this and actually hangs on to its fat "just in case". Your body is designed to survive, so by subjecting it to sustained significant calorie deficit, either by eating 1800 cals and high volumes of exercise, or by eating really low cals (say less than 1000), it goes into survival mode. That fat ain't going anywhere. It's your body's insurance policy.
Finally, the other message that has come loud and clear to me is that fat loss/lean-ness/six packs, whatever you want to call it, is made in the kitchen, not the gym. You clearly aren't demolishing MacDonalds every day, but really good quality calories (veggies, lean meats, good fatty foods like avo etc) are far better for you than less calories of mixed healthy and unhealthy food. Any yes, all over every forum, including this one, are people who refute this, say they eat whatever they want and are in great shape - and that's fine. It goes back to point one - everyone's different - but anecdotally, most people respond better to a healthy diet and moderate exercise than a see-anything-and-eat-it diet and masses of training.
All IMHO of course, but a 61kg, 5'7 guy who thinks they can pinch 4" of fat may not be seeing themselves in the same way as everyone else, or needs a refresher on how big an inch is. If I can pinch 4" of tummy fat, Daniel Junior is huuuuge. We're both on the running thread too I see, and you are in about 3.30 mara shape. I reckon if you stopped weighing yourself, ate a great diet designed to fuel running and recovery from running, and gave yourself an 18 week crack at a 3.00-3.15 mara plan, you'd be in much better shape in five months than by focusing on what you can pinch in the privacy of your bathroom...
Second week in all is well weight has dropped to 119.5 so a loss 1.5kg. Pretty happy with that and aiming to lose at least that every week. Nice run in the morning aiming to do a 4-5 miler at sub 10 min mikes. Not going to smash any records but not bad for 18 & a half stone!
I will be sub 15 stone come June which should see me under 15% body fat.
I will be sub 15 stone come June which should see me under 15% body fat.
Thanks all for your suggestions, I really am trying too loose fat. I understand that my frame is smaller than some of yours but I do struggle with my diet. Hence trying to join in. I will try and keep my input to a minimum however will engage from an offset.
At one stage of my life I was 75kg and then got stuck on 68kg for years. I generally got this down by having breakfast and one meal during the day.
Going to bed hungry is a positive attitude, the body consumes very little when sleeping. The days of requiring a lot of energy in bed seem to be behind me!
Good luck to everyone.
At one stage of my life I was 75kg and then got stuck on 68kg for years. I generally got this down by having breakfast and one meal during the day.
Going to bed hungry is a positive attitude, the body consumes very little when sleeping. The days of requiring a lot of energy in bed seem to be behind me!
Good luck to everyone.
AndStilliRise said:
Thanks all for your suggestions, I really am trying too loose fat. I understand that my frame is smaller than some of yours but I do struggle with my diet. Hence trying to join in. I will try and keep my input to a minimum however will engage from an offset.
At one stage of my life I was 75kg and then got stuck on 68kg for years. I generally got this down by having breakfast and one meal during the day.
Going to bed hungry is a positive attitude, the body consumes very little when sleeping. The days of requiring a lot of energy in bed seem to be behind me!
Good luck to everyone.
Mate don't limit your input I think everyone myself included is just concerned about your health. Do you do any resistance training? It's brilliant to lose weight and distance runners Sir Mo is know for heavy lifting might be an idea to try? At one stage of my life I was 75kg and then got stuck on 68kg for years. I generally got this down by having breakfast and one meal during the day.
Going to bed hungry is a positive attitude, the body consumes very little when sleeping. The days of requiring a lot of energy in bed seem to be behind me!
Good luck to everyone.
Well done to everyone on here - there is some considerable cumulative weight loss going on!
Had a good week - lots of soups, occasional small treats (Freddo!) and even managed to navigate 2 big work buffets without too much difficulty. Only a small loss this week - 1 lb, but it feels sustainable. So I'm know (translated into new money) 84.8 kg.
Had a good week - lots of soups, occasional small treats (Freddo!) and even managed to navigate 2 big work buffets without too much difficulty. Only a small loss this week - 1 lb, but it feels sustainable. So I'm know (translated into new money) 84.8 kg.
p1stonhead said:
Weekends are tough to stay on track!
They really are. I can't just lounge round because I start to graze. So I keep myself busy knowing that I have a healthy chicken jalfrezi and rice to come at 600 cals for the lot, which means I can even have a glass of wine with dinner
After a few false starts in the last 6 months, this one feels like its sticking and its becoming more sustainable.
I am not denying myself something like fish and chips if I want it - but I have decided I cannot do it on a whim and just have to look forward to it on Friday or whatever and do the exercise/ eat appropriately in the run up to keep it all in budget
Latest update for me is 110.1kg.
I have used apples as grazing and sparkling water tmhel when wanting to snack, crisps being my previous go to food in a hurry.
Not giving up on carbs yet, have rice or potatoes and even pasta most days. Just given up on the fat.
Pleased wth the loss so far and will keep going
I have used apples as grazing and sparkling water tmhel when wanting to snack, crisps being my previous go to food in a hurry.
Not giving up on carbs yet, have rice or potatoes and even pasta most days. Just given up on the fat.
Pleased wth the loss so far and will keep going
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