30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
superlightr said:
you are unlikely to find the Pro there for some reason as he doesnt like his views challanged.
No, there’s no challenge. ‘Following widespread use of these vaccines across the UK, the vast majority of suspected adverse reaction reports so far confirm the safety profile seen in clinical trials. Most reports relate to injection-site reactions (sore arm for example) and generalised symptoms such as a ‘flu-like’ illness, headache, chills, fatigue, nausea, fever, dizziness, weakness, aching muscles, and rapid heartbeat. Generally, these reactions are not associated with more serious illness and likely reflect an expected, normal immune response to the vaccines.
The expected benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 far outweigh any currently known side effects.’
superlightr said:
Why did the govt take down the chart?
….. being coerced and blackmailed into having it is abhorrent
The data was read wrongly to fit your anti vax view, and if you think everyone with a tie is out to get you you’re mistaken they’ve had enough trouble for 18 months running around trying to manage a global cockup up to worry about being big brother. ….. being coerced and blackmailed into having it is abhorrent
You shouldn’t need to be blackmailed, nearly 90% and counting have had the jab to reduce risk to them and others, so you won’t be giving the govt a bloody nose not having one although your resistance will be stuck in 2020 before the vax. If you want to help, reduce your risk and be part of the uk recovery then go for it.
Brave Fart said:
What concerns me is the government's continuing use of behavioural psychology designed to scare people into making the "correct" decision. For example, the thinly veiled threat to enforce Covid passports for nightclubs "and other large events". Given that the vaccinated can still transmit the virus, a vaccine passport makes no sense, and can only be yet another example of the campaign of fear employed by this government. Discrimination against those who have declined the vaccine is, in my opinion, morally wrong.
You do get why they would like Covid passports don’t you? grudas said:
ColdoRS said:
Sorry to hear about your mates but can we take also acknowledge the millions, of 23-32 year olds who have contracted covid(many more than once) and had 0 problems? That is the stat that is of greater interest I’m afraid.
Again, thoughts with your friends but let’s not let our emotions get in the way of the hard facts.
What about hard facts and stats about vaccines? Surely anyone super risk aware should realize that vaccine is lower risk than covid so realistically you'd pick vaccine? Again, thoughts with your friends but let’s not let our emotions get in the way of the hard facts.
Risk of Covid death is far lower than risk of an untested (over any long term) jab.
ORD said:
It shouldn’t be open to argument that people can reasonably take different views when it comes to weighing a known but very small risk (Covid) against unknown but unlikely risks (vaccine adverse effects).
That is very obviously a matter for personal risk judgment. It’s not quantitive. The two types of risk are not comparable.
I’ll leave you to work out your own risk in detail but don’t know why you would want a ‘likely’ 2 week feeling dreadful and concerned as a minimum, with long term nervous system and lung issues as a probable maximum. That is very obviously a matter for personal risk judgment. It’s not quantitive. The two types of risk are not comparable.
To most (90%) it’s a no-brainer.
Brave Fart said:
Of course I understand that vaccination reduces the risk of transmission, although opinion is mixed about how much. For me, the ethics of discriminating against those who decline the vaccine outweigh the marginal health benefits that such a practice might bring
Let me get this right: ….you’re not having the vax due to your perception of discrimination against anti vaxxers?
Is that it?
petery27 said:
Having found out I likely have to travel for work later this year I have reluctantly booked my first vaccine for next week.
I disagree with the whole thing of forcing it to be able to do various things especially with it known that the vaccine does not stop transmission of the virus but I have been left with no option.
I will report back if I suffer any side effects
Where are you going? You can still just test for most places and even when vaccinated still need to do tests.I disagree with the whole thing of forcing it to be able to do various things especially with it known that the vaccine does not stop transmission of the virus but I have been left with no option.
I will report back if I suffer any side effects
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 13th August 13:47
davey83 said:
blueg33 said:
The risk of not having the jab is higher than the risk of the jab.
I just don’t get the logic in not having it.
Apologies, the risk of not having the jab meaning your left on you own to fend of CV19.I just don’t get the logic in not having it.
So blueg33 is on the money.
davey83 said:
Surprise surprise, not sold on long covid being an actual thing rather the fallout of repeat lockdowns. Wheres the study for that?....... No wait, doesn't suit the narrative.
A symptom of long covid:
Cognitive impairment, referred to informally as ‘brain fog’, is a major component of long COVID that compromises people’s daily activities and ability to return to work
cognitive dissonance anyone........
You’ve completely lost me me in your myriad arguments I’m afraid. It’s difficult to understand what you’re actually saying apart from it being from a bizarre of course.A symptom of long covid:
Cognitive impairment, referred to informally as ‘brain fog’, is a major component of long COVID that compromises people’s daily activities and ability to return to work
cognitive dissonance anyone........
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 15th August 20:55
Had my second Pfizer last Friday. Felt very slightly 'off colour' for the rest of the day, and had sore arm for a couple of days but that was about it.
Feel good about it all. I know it's not a magic forcefield, and even if it 'only' offers the seemingly worse case scenario of around 65% protection as stated by some countries, I'm happy with that, as it's clearly way better than zero.
Even if I do still get ill with covid at some point, I expect my symptoms will be lessened now that I'm vaccinated, and again, I'm happy about that.
I kind of forgot about it all after my first dose, and I feel the same way now. I can just forget about the whole vaccine or no vaccine thing and just get on with stuff knowing I'm protected as much as is reasonably practical for the time being.
No brainer really.
I'm 40 by the way in case that is of any relevance. By brother is 37, his wife is 35, they have just had Pfizer as well and they feel the same. No brainer and can just forget about the debate now.
Feel good about it all. I know it's not a magic forcefield, and even if it 'only' offers the seemingly worse case scenario of around 65% protection as stated by some countries, I'm happy with that, as it's clearly way better than zero.
Even if I do still get ill with covid at some point, I expect my symptoms will be lessened now that I'm vaccinated, and again, I'm happy about that.
I kind of forgot about it all after my first dose, and I feel the same way now. I can just forget about the whole vaccine or no vaccine thing and just get on with stuff knowing I'm protected as much as is reasonably practical for the time being.
No brainer really.
I'm 40 by the way in case that is of any relevance. By brother is 37, his wife is 35, they have just had Pfizer as well and they feel the same. No brainer and can just forget about the debate now.
Lol, you are forgetting that these "vaccines" have zero long term testing. The scientists know nothing beyond 6-10 months of trialing these potions and the companies that concocted them absolved of all legal responsibility.
Yeah yeah, just blindly put your trust in them, you know, like toothpaste
Yeah yeah, just blindly put your trust in them, you know, like toothpaste
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 29th August 08:34
blueg33 said:
Johns Hopkins say this.
Data from one study shows that of more than 3,000 adults ages 18 to 34 who contracted COVID-19 and became sick enough to require hospital care, 21% ended up in intensive care, 10% were placed on a breathing machine and 2.7% died.
The balance of probability is that vaccine is safer than Covid for young adults.
Those seem very high figures, it’s about 1.6% overall in the UK so with the weighting being heavily towards the elderly I would have thought the 18-34 range to be minuscule, do you have a link? Data from one study shows that of more than 3,000 adults ages 18 to 34 who contracted COVID-19 and became sick enough to require hospital care, 21% ended up in intensive care, 10% were placed on a breathing machine and 2.7% died.
The balance of probability is that vaccine is safer than Covid for young adults.
blueg33 said:
Its weird how some people are prepared to listen to social media etc that says vaccine is bad, but totally ignore the actual science and then try to justly their conclusion as totally rational.
Covid and long Covid are pretty unpleasant and the risks from it are orders of magnitude higher than the risks from vaccination even if you are young and fit.
Of course we don’t know the long term risks of the vaccine but we don’t know the long term risks of Covid, except that long Covid is a thing and can be debilitating.
There are people who refused the vaccine who will never learn its long term effects because the lack of short term protection means that sadly they are no longer with us.
If we had this modern day anti vax attitude 50 years ago, small pox would still be with us.
+1. The additional line of defence from the vax is vital, you only have to look at the UK rolling average. We’re 30,000 + cases a day with less than 150 deaths - you could have put a zero on the deaths a year ago at that many cases. Covid and long Covid are pretty unpleasant and the risks from it are orders of magnitude higher than the risks from vaccination even if you are young and fit.
Of course we don’t know the long term risks of the vaccine but we don’t know the long term risks of Covid, except that long Covid is a thing and can be debilitating.
There are people who refused the vaccine who will never learn its long term effects because the lack of short term protection means that sadly they are no longer with us.
If we had this modern day anti vax attitude 50 years ago, small pox would still be with us.
Without the vax we would still be in lockdown, probably for the forseeable, and if the NHS became swamped we would be in dire straights.
Early on when the Covid deniers (all now anti vaxxers) were saying why lock down for a few deaths they chose to ignore that only a tiny proportion of the population had actually had it. Still less than 15% have had it so there’s still opportunity for Covid to go through five times as many and knacker us - the vax is the way out.
Scotland big rise in cases:
‘Lucy Fleming, lead nurse with NHS Grampian's Ecmo life-support team said no age group "should consider themselves invincible to Covid-19".
She said: "I am under 40. To see increasing numbers of young and otherwise healthy people of my own age requiring this level of intensive care is heartbreaking.’
"There is no doubt that as cases rise, it is crucial that everyone who is eligible takes up their invitation for a vaccination and gets both doses
‘Lucy Fleming, lead nurse with NHS Grampian's Ecmo life-support team said no age group "should consider themselves invincible to Covid-19".
She said: "I am under 40. To see increasing numbers of young and otherwise healthy people of my own age requiring this level of intensive care is heartbreaking.’
"There is no doubt that as cases rise, it is crucial that everyone who is eligible takes up their invitation for a vaccination and gets both doses
blueg33 said:
ORD said:
Patronising and very ill-informed response. The risks to a healthy person in their 20s are very low indeed. Tiny, in fact. The risks of the vaccine are also low. Perhaps lower. Perhaps not. We don’t know.
The risks of getting Covid and dying from it are higher than the risks of the vaccine according to many properly peer reviewed studies. Like I say, there are the facts as we know them and ill informed supposition. The former suggests that vaccination is the lower risk option.
In 5 or 10 years after some long term testing I would be more happy to trust the scientists when they have some actual data.
Ashfordian said:
Now do this properly rather than twisting the data to fit a wrong narrative. You know there is a lag between case, hospitalisation and death. Why have you intentionally dismissed this?
Do you think you look clever by twisting the data? Answer: you don't, you just undermine your position because you intentionally misrepresent the data
Do you think you’re clever by constantly wanting data and accusing everyone else of twisting it?Do you think you look clever by twisting the data? Answer: you don't, you just undermine your position because you intentionally misrepresent the data
You aren’t. You’re nothing more than a militant loon.
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