30 somethings - are you going to vax?
Discussion
davey83 said:
My position is that the UK government didn't need to be conned, the PPE fiasco, lockdowns of the healthy, Hancock's mate winning the testing contract with a company 6 months old with no proven track record and party gate shows the level of incompetence, corruption and concern those in charge actually gave to the pandemic.
The con was getting the vast majority of the British public to roll up their sleeves willingly to take multiple experimental cell therapy injections, of which had never been given to the public outside of clinical trials.
Thankfully given the low take-up of the booster, folks are now waking up the true threat of a virus.
Exclusively died from (not with) covid in the UK - 0.026% *17k from 66M
Average age of covid death 82.
Average age of death in the UK prior to covid 81.
Worry level required 0.
Where do you start with a post like this? More bizarre twisting.The con was getting the vast majority of the British public to roll up their sleeves willingly to take multiple experimental cell therapy injections, of which had never been given to the public outside of clinical trials.
Thankfully given the low take-up of the booster, folks are now waking up the true threat of a virus.
Exclusively died from (not with) covid in the UK - 0.026% *17k from 66M
Average age of covid death 82.
Average age of death in the UK prior to covid 81.
Worry level required 0.
You’ve been using the classic line ‘people are waking up’ for months now, a variation of ‘wake up people’ - no one needs to wake up we’re all fully alert and always have been, it’s yourself who needs to rouse from your fantasy that the vaccine doesn’t work, everyone is being conned and that the ‘vaccine maker’ agrees. All just rubbish.
Even your wonderful calculation forgets that well over 30m haven’t had it yet. All more skewing from someone so patently oblivious to reality that you’d absolutely believe anything you read from whatever fringe source provided it supports your fantasy. I can guarantee daily there would be a lot of eye rolling and changing the subject once you start on your ‘truths’.
davey83 said:
Another example of 'displayed' scientific consensus getting it absolutely wrong was natural immunity. Wasn't even on the table as a thing, let alone being of benefit which goes against the entire scientific endeavour towards biology that we had gained up till that point. Show me another infectious disease that after gaining infection immunity, you'd then need to take the vaccine.
Thankfully in late 2021 it was in fact put back on the table and shown to be every bit as good and in fact better than synthetic efforts.
Early treatment, another own goal for for those who have discernment whereby the Pfizer prophylactic pill works I'm much the same way as Ivermectin a safe human drug working as a protease inhibitor.
Now whichever camp you choose to believe a proven drug given over 3.5 billion doses in the last 30yrs should have been used early doors against covid 19, how else would one know it's effectiveness or lack off.
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
No, not corruption though.
FluThankfully in late 2021 it was in fact put back on the table and shown to be every bit as good and in fact better than synthetic efforts.
Early treatment, another own goal for for those who have discernment whereby the Pfizer prophylactic pill works I'm much the same way as Ivermectin a safe human drug working as a protease inhibitor.
Now whichever camp you choose to believe a proven drug given over 3.5 billion doses in the last 30yrs should have been used early doors against covid 19, how else would one know it's effectiveness or lack off.
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
No, not corruption though.
You really need to stop this.
ooid said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
MRNA vaccines are technically what he said, and it's experimental in the sense Pfizer haven't officially finished with the trials, so he hasn't technically said anything wrong there
Nope they are not. They are not experimental, and not gene therapy. Pumping yourself with D vitamins and excepting miraculous immunity is experimental.
Having an ice cold bath (like davey suggested many pages ago) in the middle of winter, to gain some sort of immunity or whatever is experimental.
It's your body, you can do whatever you do "bio-hack", "diet" or experimental you call, but calling an approved drug with millions of hours of serious research is "experimental" is nothing but a delusional fanciful and rather hilarious statement, you guys....
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
ooid said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
MRNA vaccines are technically what he said, and it's experimental in the sense Pfizer haven't officially finished with the trials, so he hasn't technically said anything wrong there
Nope they are not. They are not experimental, and not gene therapy. Pumping yourself with D vitamins and excepting miraculous immunity is experimental.
Having an ice cold bath (like davey suggested many pages ago) in the middle of winter, to gain some sort of immunity or whatever is experimental.
It's your body, you can do whatever you do "bio-hack", "diet" or experimental you call, but calling an approved drug with millions of hours of serious research is "experimental" is nothing but a delusional fanciful and rather hilarious statement, you guys....
Great idea ‘eat healthy’ but if you really want to keep pushing this can you provide peer reviewed evidence that it’s more effective than the vaccine? If you can’t then please regard the idea, albeit well meant, as idealistic nonsense. And stop.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 9th February 09:12
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
V6 Pushfit said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
ooid said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
MRNA vaccines are technically what he said, and it's experimental in the sense Pfizer haven't officially finished with the trials, so he hasn't technically said anything wrong there
Nope they are not. They are not experimental, and not gene therapy. Pumping yourself with D vitamins and excepting miraculous immunity is experimental.
Having an ice cold bath (like davey suggested many pages ago) in the middle of winter, to gain some sort of immunity or whatever is experimental.
It's your body, you can do whatever you do "bio-hack", "diet" or experimental you call, but calling an approved drug with millions of hours of serious research is "experimental" is nothing but a delusional fanciful and rather hilarious statement, you guys....
Great idea ‘eat healthy’ but if you really want to keep pushing this can you provide peer reviewed evidence that it’s more effective than the vaccine? If you can’t then please regard the idea, albeit well meant, as idealistic nonsense. And stop.
The data from Israel posted earlier RE. Vitamin D shows high levels reduce chance of death by over 90%, again, more. Effective than the vaccines.
Oranges contain vitamin C, whilst important for the immune system there is more research into vitamin D, zinc, selenium, vitamin A, vitamin E and a few other things too.
The vaccines have their place - elderly and vulnerable people - healthy people under 50 years old isn't really it.
R Mutt said:
30 somethings - are you going to boost?
If not then you've probably established that the first 2 offered inadequate protection against infection, reduced even further by the Omicron, which now it emerges most do not even require protection against, and the prevalence of which has got us out of endless restrictions.
YOU were duped. And did you get your data from the government or media, or directly from the manufacturers?
Complete rubbish. The success of the vaccine seems to have passed you by in favour of negativity against anything to do with them. We are soon ending isolation requirements because of the weakening of the later variants AND on the back of the astounding success of the vaccine against the earlier variants. You would love to skew history but your moaning about Delta times using Omicron times as an example is really quite pathetic. If not then you've probably established that the first 2 offered inadequate protection against infection, reduced even further by the Omicron, which now it emerges most do not even require protection against, and the prevalence of which has got us out of endless restrictions.
YOU were duped. And did you get your data from the government or media, or directly from the manufacturers?
jjlynn27 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
If the exact same data was discussed by someone else using the same references and graphs, does it change the references and graphs? A lot of the data was from the CDC, because Kresser found the data is the CDC data no longer relevant? Kresser is one of the leading functional medicine practitioners in the world and director of his own department in the Cleveland Clinic. But sure, whatever.
Typical MO of a conspiracy nutter. Gets 'data' that he/she doesn't understand from some other nutter on the internet. That's why you've posted that debunked link from a psychiatrist. He is an acupuncturist. Ok? 'Functional medicine'? Bwahahahahaha. I gave you a direct quote from his website. Bloke suggests that pregnant women should drink 'raw milk'. Do you understand how stupid that is? Saying that if your source of information is someone who, in his own words, is practitioner of 'ancestral health', your post justifying chemtrail's nutter 'cell therapy' idiocy is rather understandable.
I'm looking forward to your next 'data'. It'll probably come from a homeopath. Or reflexologist.
LOL @ acupuncturist. Still funny.
He’s taking the lead from the resident Loon I think.
davey83 said:
jjlynn27 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
If the exact same data was discussed by someone else using the same references and graphs, does it change the references and graphs? A lot of the data was from the CDC, because Kresser found the data is the CDC data no longer relevant? Kresser is one of the leading functional medicine practitioners in the world and director of his own department in the Cleveland Clinic. But sure, whatever.
Typical MO of a conspiracy nutter. Gets 'data' that he/she doesn't understand from some other nutter on the internet. That's why you've posted that debunked link from a psychiatrist. He is an acupuncturist. Ok? 'Functional medicine'? Bwahahahahaha. I gave you a direct quote from his website. Bloke suggests that pregnant women should drink 'raw milk'. Do you understand how stupid that is? Saying that if your source of information is someone who, in his own words, is practitioner of 'ancestral health', your post justifying chemtrail's nutter 'cell therapy' idiocy is rather understandable.
I'm looking forward to your next 'data'. It'll probably come from a homeopath. Or reflexologist.
LOL @ acupuncturist. Still funny.
Cardiologist, epidemiologist, a full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master's degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the United States and is the editor of two medical journals.
Dr. McCullough is recognized internationally as a leading figure, having over 1,000 publications to his name and over 500 citations in the National Library of Medicine
A fella worth listening too maybe? No, shame that. All you are doing is exactly the same as anyone who isn't vaxxed, listening to medical professionals that "you" already believe to be corrected. You're answer to the above question will confirm as much.
Edited by davey83 on Thursday 10th February 14:43
Why, just why, do you keep posting cut-and-paste CV’s of people you think are credible without checking??
You must have done this over 20 times now so you’re either truly oblivious to reality or have a very flat learning curve.
Please read this in full and you may actually learn something:
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/joe-rogan-i...
So far you are the most easily conned on here.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 10th February 15:37
davey83 said:
V6 Pushfit said:
So far you are the most easily conned on here.
So stella career in epidemiology and cardiology, incredibly well published and since 2020 has gone mad - does that balance for you in your world. Are you familiar with the term slander..... Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 10th February 15:37
What is it exactly I've been conned into? and what increase in risk am I now subject too from such a position and please present your evidence to back up said statement.
Better?
davey83 said:
I could take your playground posts if you didn't demonstrate your lack of understanding with regards to flu, believing the exact same vaccine is given season after season.
To learn involves making mistakes, what learning have you done with regards to COVID-19 since March 2020?
I haven’t said that they were the same. To learn involves making mistakes, what learning have you done with regards to COVID-19 since March 2020?
Fantasy questions. You still haven’t explained why you keep posting links to debunked loons. You actually find this trash, read it, copy paste a load of rubbish to support it - but 20 seconds of checking would tell you it’s been proved loon material.
Absolutely astonishing.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 10th February 20:16
ruggedscotty said:
V6 Pushfit said:
davey83 said:
I could take your playground posts if you didn't demonstrate your lack of understanding with regards to flu, believing the exact same vaccine is given season after season.
To learn involves making mistakes, what learning have you done with regards to COVID-19 since March 2020?
I haven’t said that they were the same. To learn involves making mistakes, what learning have you done with regards to COVID-19 since March 2020?
Fantasy questions. You still haven’t explained why you keep posting links to debunked loons. You actually find this trash, read it, copy paste a load of rubbish to support it - but 20 seconds of checking would tell you it’s been proved loon material.
Absolutely astonishing.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 10th February 20:16
jjlynn27 said:
davey83 said:
jjlynn27 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
If the exact same data was discussed by someone else using the same references and graphs, does it change the references and graphs? A lot of the data was from the CDC, because Kresser found the data is the CDC data no longer relevant? Kresser is one of the leading functional medicine practitioners in the world and director of his own department in the Cleveland Clinic. But sure, whatever.
Typical MO of a conspiracy nutter. Gets 'data' that he/she doesn't understand from some other nutter on the internet. That's why you've posted that debunked link from a psychiatrist. He is an acupuncturist. Ok? 'Functional medicine'? Bwahahahahaha. I gave you a direct quote from his website. Bloke suggests that pregnant women should drink 'raw milk'. Do you understand how stupid that is? Saying that if your source of information is someone who, in his own words, is practitioner of 'ancestral health', your post justifying chemtrail's nutter 'cell therapy' idiocy is rather understandable.
I'm looking forward to your next 'data'. It'll probably come from a homeopath. Or reflexologist.
LOL @ acupuncturist. Still funny.
Cardiologist, epidemiologist, a full professor of medicine at Texas A&M College of Medicine in Dallas. He also has a master's degree in public health and is known for being one of the top five most-published medical researchers in the United States and is the editor of two medical journals.
Dr. McCullough is recognized internationally as a leading figure, having over 1,000 publications to his name and over 500 citations in the National Library of Medicine
A fella worth listening too maybe? No, shame that. All you are doing is exactly the same as anyone who isn't vaxxed, listening to medical professionals that "you" already believe to be corrected. You're answer to the above question will confirm as much.
Edited by davey83 on Thursday 10th February 14:43
That's wishful thinking, mostly borne out of the scarcity of sources that you are left with. In the same way that MMR nutters think that Wakefield is a leading epidemiologist. You say, or more likely uncritically copy someone's CV as a matter of fact. Given the above, that's not surprising.
His previous employer sues him, and wins, for misrepresenting his links with the said employer. Am I supposed to take seriously an opinion of someone who has been found as a liar?
I'm not aware that he's a professor of Medicine @ TAMU. Do you have any evidence of this? Link to faculty staff page or his own page at @tamu will do.
Side note; 'you're' != 'your'.
davey83 said:
Nice sidestep of the question, it surprises me ever time.
You still haven't given an example for a vaccine being needed after gaining natural immunity for an infectious disease, bearing in mind you don't gain immunity to the flu due to its nature.
That's question 1 and no.2 is what have you learnt about covid19 since march 2020? Genuine question.
The answer to your question 2 answers all questions:You still haven't given an example for a vaccine being needed after gaining natural immunity for an infectious disease, bearing in mind you don't gain immunity to the flu due to its nature.
That's question 1 and no.2 is what have you learnt about covid19 since march 2020? Genuine question.
I have been amazed at the morons believing social media and debunked websites which, when it’s pointed out they’ve been conned, simply go on to the next debunked idea. They’re too preoccupied with trying to spread misinformation to check it’s validity themselves first.
Hmmm…. now who does that describe? Oh.
jjlynn27 said:
davey83 said:
jjlynn27 said:
You see, 'Boi', antivaxxers have this tendency to believe that any other antivaxxer loon is a 'leading'. Lex thinks that his acupuncturist is 'leading' too.
That's wishful thinking, mostly borne out of the scarcity of sources that you are left with. In the same way that MMR nutters think that Wakefield is a leading epidemiologist. You say, or more likely uncritically copy someone's CV as a matter of fact. Given the above, that's not surprising.
His previous employer sues him, and wins, for misrepresenting his links with the said employer. Am I supposed to take seriously an opinion of someone who has been found as a liar?
I'm not aware that he's a professor of Medicine @ TAMU. Do you have any evidence of this? Link to faculty staff page or his own page at @tamu will do.
Side note; 'you're' != 'your'.
What of Mike Yeadon former VP/Chief Scientific Pfizer Inc, anti vaxxer? Never had a jab before 2020. That's wishful thinking, mostly borne out of the scarcity of sources that you are left with. In the same way that MMR nutters think that Wakefield is a leading epidemiologist. You say, or more likely uncritically copy someone's CV as a matter of fact. Given the above, that's not surprising.
His previous employer sues him, and wins, for misrepresenting his links with the said employer. Am I supposed to take seriously an opinion of someone who has been found as a liar?
I'm not aware that he's a professor of Medicine @ TAMU. Do you have any evidence of this? Link to faculty staff page or his own page at @tamu will do.
Side note; 'you're' != 'your'.
What of Jay Bhattacharya a professor of medicine at Stanford University and a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research. He directs Stanford's Center for Demography and Economics of Health and Aging.
Anti vaxxers too, got yah.
I thankfully don't need chemotherapy, I don't want chemotherapy therefore am I anti chemotherapy? I must be right.
The formation psychosis is real.
Edited by davey83 on Friday 11th February 18:26
davey83 said:
Classic lads, answering a question with a question again and again. It's goes question, answer. Then you ask a question, answer given. Well I am anti-chemo according to your blanket rule, formation psychosis 101
Ah yes, “formation psychosis” represents a situation where mob influence can leave an individual with rather disturbed thoughts and perceptions and unable to fully distinguish what’s real from what’s not.Err now let me think who that descr…. Oh!
davey83 said:
Honest and upfront interview with John Abramson MD
American physician on the clinical faculty of Harvard Medical School, where he teaches primary care and public health policy.
John Abramson MD, MS, has served as a family physician for 22 years. He was twice voted “best doctor” in his area by readers of the local newspapers and three times selected by his peers as one of a handful of best family practitioners in Massachusetts.
He was written op-ed pieces in the New York Times, LA Times and others.
It’s ok we have google to find out stuff, it’ll save you endlessly just copy pasting peoples CV’s on here. American physician on the clinical faculty of Harvard Medical School, where he teaches primary care and public health policy.
John Abramson MD, MS, has served as a family physician for 22 years. He was twice voted “best doctor” in his area by readers of the local newspapers and three times selected by his peers as one of a handful of best family practitioners in Massachusetts.
He was written op-ed pieces in the New York Times, LA Times and others.
davey83 said:
I thought this was rather interesting
British Medical Journal gets fact checked by Facebook.........
https://youtu.be/lMf-Zq7xJcY
So will you learn anything from that about posting stuff you’ve found on social media? British Medical Journal gets fact checked by Facebook.........
https://youtu.be/lMf-Zq7xJcY
davey83 said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
V6 Pushfit said:
So will you learn anything from that about posting stuff you’ve found on social media?
Will you ever learn anything?Straight from the BMJ’s mouth
https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o95
part of the con I guess davey83 said:
They have a vested interest in maintaining a narrative.
30 seconds: he’s s GP not even a virologist, denies also that cholesterol causes death, and like so many others he divides the deaths into the entire global population to try to prove it’s negligible risk. Only 6-8% of the world have been exposed to Covid so far, and almost zero if you count a reinfection cycle. OddCat said:
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2022/02/10/some-obse...
Interesting analysis of Infection Fatality Rate errors since day 1.
Also states that, based on the actual death figures, for a healthy person under 60 the risk of dying in a road traffic accident is EIGHT TIMES as great as that of dying from Covid.....
But we've injected with an experimental drug millions of people who were unlikely to die. That is a disaster. Crikey, what have we done......
Come back to realityInteresting analysis of Infection Fatality Rate errors since day 1.
Also states that, based on the actual death figures, for a healthy person under 60 the risk of dying in a road traffic accident is EIGHT TIMES as great as that of dying from Covid.....
But we've injected with an experimental drug millions of people who were unlikely to die. That is a disaster. Crikey, what have we done......
I thought one day you’d wake up and realise how easily you’ve been conned, but you’ve fallen for it like a sack of spuds.
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