How Would You Feel About A Gay Player In The Dressing Room?

[JiggyJaggy]

I wouldn't be bothered. Just one more female in the world for the rest of us As long as the person in question is worth their space in the dressing room sporting wise then no probs.

[NDA]

blindswelledrat said:

When a mate came out one of the first things he said was "You don't need to worry, I don't fancy you". I was furious. WHy the hell not? Also, thereafter no amount of bending over provocatively, eating a disproportionate amount of lollies and bananas changed his mind. Frigid tasteless bd.

[blindswelledrat]

Hugo a Gogo said:

how about if you already had your own tits and fanny and could stare at them in the mirror, and had been able to do that since you were a child? would you get a lazy lob-on looking at your self?

The million dollar question that I have always wondered about. There's no answer to that unfortunately because I cant relate to being gay. So obviously my cock is magnificent but all other mens are foul but if I were gay would I also find them as magnificent as my own (but smaller obviously)
Who knows.

[e21Mark]

im said:

e21Mark said:

Why on earth would you presume that? A woman being secure in her sexuality doesn't make her a man. The sex of an individual isn't determined by their sexual preference.

Who said I presumed it???

I'm asking what the logical argument against it is.

e21Mark said:

If you're in a changing room, with eleventy three blokes getting showered and dressed, how would you even know what their sexual preference was?

Please go back and read the OP. This is about where it is known that an individual or individuals are gay. Jeepers sometimes its seriously difficult in here

Look my grandad and your grandad would have been up in arms about it back in the day but they were likely all homophobes however...logically they would have had the same argument as a woman would have ie: They do not want to get undressed/naked in front of somebody who is sexually orientated towards them.

Amongst all the "man up", "should be comfortable" blah blah blah rhetoric I'm not hearing a case against a straight guy who might be upset about it - that doesn't equally apply to a women not wanting to get undressed/naked in front of a heterosexual male...yet we give her precedence in that argument...whilst coming down against the straight male in that argument and tell him to just "like it or lump it".

I don't know how many more ways I can put this.......OK, Whats the difference betw....nope, I give up.

But yes, if you can convince a judge that women should have to accept Males in their changing room on the basis that Straight guys have to accept gay guys walking in on them naked then I'm in

Changing rooms (in the UK anyway) are determined by the physical sex, not sexual preference. Your equating gay men to women, by virtue of their sexual preference, is a nonsense. Even if you're correct in your assumption, that men of my Grandfathers generation would all be homophobes, it doesn't change the fact that the problem lies with the insecure homophobe, who doesn't want the scary gay guy to see his tinky.

[obob]

I'm pretty sure no one cares, the media make a bigger deal of it than necessary and a big fuss and also the players who do come out (the very few), do they really need to do a press statement. I just don't get it.

[im]

e21Mark said:

Changing rooms (in the UK anyway) are determined by the physical sex, not sexual preference.

And why is the split like that and not (say) by Age or any other arbitary measure?

Why do we split changing rooms (naked bodies) into 2 camps...Male and Female...what is the underlying argument for that?

[richwig83]

Going back to the original question... it wouldnt bother me in the slightest.

I personally view sexuality as a non issue. It seems that gay men are hung up on the fact they are gay, when in reality no one (except the small minded few) really cares.

[blindswelledrat]

obob said:

I'm pretty sure no one cares, the media make a bigger deal of it than necessary and a big fuss and also the players who do come out (the very few), do they really need to do a press statement. I just don't get it.

Im not sure. I think a lot of people do care.
Anyone who hasn't met many gay people unsurprisingly think that gay people are all the kind of people who are overtly gay and irrelevantly proud of it. I.e. dicks. The reason for this is that normal gay people don't introduce themselves as gay.
So in their mind sharing a changing room would be the same as being naked with Boy George which I can't say I particularly like the idea of either.
It's just an ignorance thing really but a lot of the time it's accidental

[garrykiller]

cant say it would bother me. i get changed in gym changing rooms never been an issue there, why would it be any different in a football changing room?

[obob]

blindswelledrat said:

Im not sure. I think a lot of people do care.
Anyone who hasn't met many gay people unsurprisingly think that gay people are all the kind of people who are overtly gay and irrelevantly proud of it. I.e. dicks. The reason for this is that normal gay people don't introduce themselves as gay.
So in their mind sharing a changing room would be the same as being naked with Boy George which I can't say I particularly like the idea of either.
It's just an ignorance thing really but a lot of the time it's accidental

I don't think these type of people exist any more or are in a very steep decline. But I still don't see why a player or famous person has to announce to the whole world that they are gay.

[JQ]

im said:

e21Mark said:

Changing rooms (in the UK anyway) are determined by the physical sex, not sexual preference.

And why is the split like that and not (say) by Age or any other arbitary measure?

Why do we split changing rooms (naked bodies) into 2 camps...Male and Female...what is the underlying argument for that?

Women have historically been far more insecure about their bodies than men, even around other women. Go into a blokes changing room and they are usually open plan. Go into a women's changing room and they more often contain cubicles.

[blindswelledrat]

obob said:

I don't think these type of people exist any more or are in a very steep decline.

Id be amazed if that were true. I just think that 15 years ago they were the only people you knew were gay whereas now they are so far outnumbered by normal people for whom its not such a stigma

obob said:

But I still don't see why a player or famous person has to announce to the whole world that they are gay.

NOt sure either. When I am famous I just cant see a situation arise where I say to the press "By the way, I forgot to mention that I like to fk women."
Not sure why the news print it either. Who gives a toss?

[richwig83]

blindswelledrat said:

NOt sure either. When I am famous I just cant see a situation arise where I say to the press "By the way, I forgot to mention that I like to fk women."
Not sure why the news print it either. Who gives a toss?

Exactly.

Because they think we want to know it. I dont read/watch the news any more. The media just compound problems that are not problems into bigger problems.

[Bill]

im said:

And why is the split like that and not (say) by Age or any other arbitary measure?

Why do we split changing rooms (naked bodies) into 2 camps...Male and Female...what is the underlying argument for that?

Why do you think?

Women are (generally) insecure, and men often boorish and lecherous particularly in a group.

[im]

JQ said:

im said:

e21Mark said:

Changing rooms (in the UK anyway) are determined by the physical sex, not sexual preference.

And why is the split like that and not (say) by Age or any other arbitary measure?

Why do we split changing rooms (naked bodies) into 2 camps...Male and Female...what is the underlying argument for that?

Women have historically been far more insecure about their bodies than men, even around other women.

They may indeed be more insecure about their bodies among other women but that will most certainly not be the reason they don't want to share with men.

Even beautiful women with lovely bodies will object to a bloke prancing in on them naked. Try following a beautiful woman into a female changing room and asking if she objects to you being there on the basis that she is insecure about her body.

Nope...I'd hazard a guess that the reason they don't want MEN in the room is all about perceived sexual intimidation..."leering, lusting, smirking etc"

[im]

Bill said:

...and men often boorish and lecherous particularly in a group.

Exactly.

So, with that as your bar, why should a single straight guy have to accept sharing a shower with a bunch of gay blokes?

Same-same surely?

[Bill]

im said:

They may indeed be more insecure about their bodies among other women but that will most certainly not be the reason they don't want to share with men.

Even beautiful women with lovely bodies will object to a bloke prancing in on them naked. Try following a beautiful woman into a female changing room and asking if she objects to you being there on the basis that she is insecure about her body.

Nope...I'd hazard a guess that the reason they don't want MEN in the room is all about perceived sexual intimidation..."leering, lusting, smirking etc"

Do you actually know any women? They are all insecure to some degree.

[JQ]

im said:

Bill said:

...and men often boorish and lecherous particularly in a group.

Exactly.

So, with that as your bar, why should a single straight guy have to accept sharing a shower with a bunch of gay blokes?

Same-same surely?

Surely you've just answered your own question. You state the majority of women don't want men in their changing rooms, fair enough. This thread has highlighted that the vast majority of men (assuming the participants of this thread are representative) don't have the same objection to gay men. So why would you exclude them?

[im]

Bill said:

Do you actually know any women? They are all insecure to some degree.

Yeah...just the one or two mind...

Take the currently running celeb big brother for example...

Beautiful and very promiscuous women all sharing a shower together...Dappy opens the door and the screaming could be heard down here in Sussex.

Those women were happy with each other but not with Dappy jumping in.

Anyway...it's becomming clear that nobody on here has a cohesive argument against a straight guy objecting to sharing a shower with a gay guy.

Well, one that doesn't include the "man up" type response.

[im]

JQ said:

This thread has highlighted that the vast majority of men (assuming the participants of this thread are representative) don't have the same objection to gay men. So why would you exclude them?

That is true but what is the logical response the first time somebody does object and says my wife and daughter don't have to put up with this, why should I?