Footballers are right tarts!!

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Christmas being Christmas I am doing the family visiting thing and I am forced to watch football. I dont mind football as a game and the local small town games are pretty good with little tarting around but i have been watching Cardiff v Sunderlad for 40 mis and it is starting to drive me mad!! Footballers act like such tarts as soon as they are inside the box, falling over, screaming in pain, dancing around like its strictly time!

Why can they not simply stay on their feet, play the game and stop acting up trying to get some kind of advantage.

It isnt the west end gents, man up or give up the game!! You dont get this crap in rugby!!!!!

RANT OVER AND THANKFULLY THE FIRST HALF!!!!!

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eltax91 said:

fatboy b said:

Yep. Can't stand the game myself. Also the people who support football assume that everyone else also likes football. I've had many a conversation about "seeing the match last night". They look at me like I'm an alien when I mention there's people with lives as well.

Its the national fking game ffs. Lots of people love it, that's why its a million times more popular than most other sports. Of course people will ask you if you saw a game. How do they know you are a boring bd?

Edited by eltax91 on Saturday 28th December 18:31

Can you explain why its the national game? Was it voted in or something because i didnt get my voting slip for that one? The game itself is fine, its just the way it is played today. Its played by tarts pretending to be hurt to try to win rather than simply getting by with skill to win the game. It also has a yob following that helps to spoil things, something else you dont get in rugby.

While you have got me started, football is only about who has the deepest pockets. How many Liverpool players are actually from Liverpool, in fact, how many are from the UK?? The teams are full of it and represent nothing more than a name and certainly not a city!!

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eltax91 said:

fatboy b said:

Yep. Can't stand the game myself. Also the people who support football assume that everyone else also likes football. I've had many a conversation about "seeing the match last night". They look at me like I'm an alien when I mention there's people with lives as well.

Its the national fking game ffs. Lots of people love it, that's why its a million times more popular than most other sports. Of course people will ask you if you saw a game. How do they know you are a boring bd?

Edited by eltax91 on Saturday 28th December 18:31

Can you explain why its the national game? Was it voted in or something because i didnt get my voting slip for that one? The game itself is fine, its just the way it is played today. Its played by tarts pretending to be hurt to try to win rather than simply getting by with skill to win the game. It also has a yob following that helps to spoil things, something else you dont get in rugby.

While you have got me started, football is only about who has the deepest pockets. How many Liverpool players are actually from Liverpool, in fact, how many are from the UK?? The teams are full of it and represent nothing more than a name and certainly not a city!!

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jcremonini said:

Evil.soup said:

While you have got me started, football is only about who has the deepest pockets. How many Liverpool players are actually from Liverpool, in fact, how many are from the UK?? The teams are full of it and represent nothing more than a name and certainly not a city!!

Name me a major sport where the deepest pockets does not matter ? Rugby it does, Cricket is typically the domain of public schools. F1 is a prime example. The fact is all sports are the same, except maybe darts and snooker but they are hardly mainstream.

Then look at it from purely business terms. The players are the tools to success. You want to build the best cars you buy the best machinery. You want the best software house you usually have to outcompete the competition to get the best programmers. How many Microsoft programmers come from Seattle compared to everywhere else in the world? How many Nissan workers work in Japan ?

The clubs are just named after the place they originate from and there is no onus on that club ( or business) to only employ local people.

The simple fact is that if you want the best you pay for the best and that means you look globally.

This 'deepest pockets' argument is all rather moot.

I really do think the game would make far better watching and be far more competative if there were rules that only allowed a certain percentage of foreign players per side. I would also love to see a rule that meant that at least 50% of the players must be born in the town/city they are playing for. This would still allow the best players to move from club to club but Liverpool for example would actually be largly Liverpool born players rather than a mish mash of every tom dick and harry.

There should also be less tolerence to diving and general fannying about, it spoils the whole game.

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jcremonini said:

Name me a major sport where the deepest pockets does not matter ? Rugby it does, Cricket is typically the domain of public schools. F1 is a prime example. The fact is all sports are the same, except maybe darts and snooker but they are hardly mainstream.

Then look at it from purely business terms. The players are the tools to success. You want to build the best cars you buy the best machinery. You want the best software house you usually have to outcompete the competition to get the best programmers. How many Microsoft programmers come from Seattle compared to everywhere else in the world? How many Nissan workers work in Japan ?

The clubs are just named after the place they originate from and there is no onus on that club ( or business) to only employ local people.

The simple fact is that if you want the best you pay for the best and that means you look globally.

This 'deepest pockets' argument is all rather moot.

To be honest there are foreign players in rugby but certainly not to the extent that it is in football. The majority of the Welsh rugby team play for 3 Welsh clubs and most of their team mates are local Welsh blokes so your point is rather pointless.

As for the reference to car manufacturers using skills from all over the world, not even close to being the same thing as football should be a competative sport and cars are simply business.

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fatboy b said:

jcremonini said:

fatboy b said:

Evil.soup said:

...and cars are simply business.

You do realise that football has fk all to do with sport these days don't you, and everything to do with business.

It's always an 'oh dear' moment, for me, when people don't understand that everything that generates money is a business and should be run as one.

I know, made me laugh the other day when I heard on the radio that Cardiff's manager was sacked for "not performimg". The people who think it's a national game have their heads buried firmly in the sand.

As i said, football "should" be simply a competetative sport but it isnt. It doesnt have much relevance to the car industry though so i thought it was a stupid point to make.

Im not knocking the local game. As said above, its the grass roots game that is really entertaining football. Local small town teams seem to still have the tough blokes of old playing unlike the premiership girlies of today. If you watch a game of 30 or 40 years ago it is a different story. In an odd way, football has cault the PC blame culture the rest of the country is plagued with.

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jcremonini said:

It's not a stupid point to make though, is it ? You may think it should only be a competitive sport but it would not last 5 minutes if it was, would it ? And the fact it is a business means it DOES have relevance to the car industry, or any other business come to that.

As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.

No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.

I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.

Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?

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jcremonini said:

It's not a stupid point to make though, is it ? You may think it should only be a competitive sport but it would not last 5 minutes if it was, would it ? And the fact it is a business means it DOES have relevance to the car industry, or any other business come to that.

As for it being the cause of the blame culture in this country, well, I haven't a clue what you are on about. The spread of US litigation law across the Atlantic is a much more realistic source of that.

No mate i didnt say its caused the blame culture, it seems to have become victim of it. The thinking behind the premiership players today is "I can pretend it happened and maybe benefit from it. Hell its not like it isnt easy to get awarded for a bit of acting and everyone does it anyway so why shouldnt I".
Exactly like the whiplash claim culture.

I agree football is a business and a big one at that but what i am saying is i think it would be better without the big caah sums involved. I know that will never happen though as the demand is so strong.

Genuine question. Do you think the game would be better without the rewards for acting and restrictions on who can play for what team?

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Justin Cyder said:

Thought process the wrong way round I think. Rather than judge the players on observations of behaviour, better to wonder why they display that behaviour in the first place.

Now, I'm sure some wheezy, resentful poster who habitually got picked last at school & would rather have been spending quality time with his Dungeons & Dragons will be along presently to contend that it's because the players are a bunch of overpaid nancy boys. I look forward to this original line of argument.

Instead, I would suggest that you have three reasons. The players are under scrutiny as never before with multiple cameras, millions of people watching & acres of analysis in the media. It becomes more important to win.


Secondly, the stakes are enormous as compared with just thirty years ago. So much money has poured into the game that the consequences of relegation are measured in the millions & are life threatening to clubs. Just look at Leeds or Wolves for recent examples of catastrophic failure.

However, most relevantly are the rules. You cannot blame players for poncing around like hot house flowers when the laws of the game have been tightened to the extent that the contact side of the game is a shadow of what it was a generation ago. When you consider the money & pressure to win, players are going to use any situation they can to their advantage & that includes diving, writhing around on the floor & whatever comes to mind. Referees now habitually stop the game for what most of us fans would recognise as minor to non existent infringements several times a half.

The players are by & large elite level athletes in the premier league, they are fast, strong & tough. You're looking at the wrong suspect, blaming the players but I expect this will never stem the flow of people queuing up with hair splitting assessments, homosexual references & all the rest of the never before seen, brilliantly thought out brickbats thrown at football on a depressingly regular basis.

Valid points there to be honest and I do agree with much if it but my frustration came within 90 seconds of the Cardiff game when one of the Cardiff boys flew through the air as soon as someone attempted to take the ball inside the box. If he were in the field of play i imagine he would have battled on as there would have been less advantage to gain. What i would have liked to see is a continued attempt to keep hold of the ball and score a goal but as you say the rules now reward him for going down at the slightest waft of another player.

I dont dislike the game, i just dislike the way it is played today, nothing else to it really.