UFO Thread

[Niponeoff]

Skeptisk said:

Milkyway said:

They could have power sources that make anything that we have developed seem like a horse & cart.

Like what?

They can have better technology but they can’t have better physics.

• Known physics

We still don't understand quantum physics or the relationship with relativity, far too many unknowns

[Bannock]

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

[Milkyway]

Niponeoff said:

• Known physics

We still don't understand quantum physics or the relationship with relativity, far too many unknowns

[TGCOTF-dewey]

zek said:

Hoaxes are par of the course in this topic so although its very easy to dismiss it, in this case I think we have to have an open mind as the bodies appear to be real.

Any medical specialist can see that it would be impossible to construct a body like this with intact organs and vessels, bones, joints, skin and even eggs with vessels attached all in a homologous and unmanipulated manner as shown by X-Ray, MRI and CT scans.

Here is the YouTube channel a German team currently studying a few of the bodies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tgNPLp88vk&t=...

The claims that these are constructed with plaster and glue is laughable and something you would expect a mainstream journalist to conclude unfortunately. The white powder on the bodies is diatomaceous earth, a natural substance that kills organisms found in the caves where they were discovered. This explains how they have been so incredibly well preserved.

I watch with interest, however I am of the opinion they are more likely to be real than not

That's an interesting video... But.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to do any kind of autopsy in that fashion - a fact even the most junior of medical staff would understand.

If... and it's a big IF... if it was thought to be real it would likely be investigated under BSL 4 maybe 3 conditions under a fully inert atmosphere to avoid both cross contamination and any pathogens or chemo-toxins that may be present within Uncle ET.

These alien autopsy vids always show zero biohazard awareness on the part of the 'doctors'.

[Skeptisk]

Niponeoff said:

Skeptisk said:

Milkyway said:

They could have power sources that make anything that we have developed seem like a horse & cart.

Like what?

They can have better technology but they can’t have better physics.

• Known physics

We still don't understand quantum physics or the relationship with relativity, far too many unknowns

Just because we don’t understand everything doesn’t mean that everything is possible or more importantly, probable.

Any new theory would have to be equivalent to all our current theories, but also deal with current abnormalities. General relativity is a brilliant example. Most calculations are still done with Newton’s law of gravity as general relativity gives the same measurable result unless you are dealing with high curvatures of spacetime. The same as we still use Newtonian mechanics rather than special relativity because the latter only makes a difference if you are travelling at a significant percentage of C.

When we look into the universe we can explain most things. There are no indications of worm holes or the like that people have postulated could be used for interstellar travel.

Extrapolating from past advances is generally not valid and risks making you look stupid. If you looked at aircraft and their top speeds from (say) WWI, WWII and the Vietnam war you would see top speeds increasing from (roughly) 200 mph to 500 mph to 3000 mph and so could predict that 50 years after the Vietnam war speed should be 10,000 mph or more. Yet today military aircraft are slower than 3000 mph. That is due to a host of practical issues that better technology can’t overcome. Similarly interstellar travel has a very long list of issues that a better power source wouldn’t solve.

[Guvernator]

Skeptisk said:

Just because we don’t understand everything doesn’t mean that everything is possible or more importantly, probable.

Any new theory would have to be equivalent to all our current theories, but also deal with current abnormalities. General relativity is a brilliant example. Most calculations are still done with Newton’s law of gravity as general relativity gives the same measurable result unless you are dealing with high curvatures of spacetime. The same as we still use Newtonian mechanics rather than special relativity because the latter only makes a difference if you are travelling at a significant percentage of C.

When we look into the universe we can explain most things. There are no indications of worm holes or the like that people have postulated could be used for interstellar travel.

Extrapolating from past advances is generally not valid and risks making you look stupid. If you looked at aircraft and their top speeds from (say) WWI, WWII and the Vietnam war you would see top speeds increasing from (roughly) 200 mph to 500 mph to 3000 mph and so could predict that 50 years after the Vietnam war speed should be 10,000 mph or more. Yet today military aircraft are slower than 3000 mph. That is due to a host of practical issues that better technology can’t overcome. Similarly interstellar travel has a very long list of issues that a better power source wouldn’t solve.

In your aircraft example. they could actually make airplanes that fly a lot faster than they do, there are technological advances, eg scramjets, pilotless planes, material tech etc that have solved most of the main practical problems of making a plane fly really fast, the main reason why they don't is due to commercial and financial considerations and the plain fact that they just aren't needed so not really a very good example I'm afraid. The same could be said of a lot of technological advances, they aren't made because there is no commercial reason to do it.

Why haven't we been back to the moon yet? It was done over 50 years, we could do it again a hell of a lot more easily and safely now but we don't.

Unfortunately governments don't have the money to spend and there are no world wars (yet) so the only area where real tech advances are made are in the private space where there usually needs to be a very good financial incentive to do so. Technological advancement rarely proceeds in a straight line because of socio-economic concerns, not because we can't actually do it.

[LimaDelta]

Bannock said:

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

I would like to know your reasoning, as it is almost certainly not, given the energy required to change the direction of such a fast-moving object, it is surely likely to trace a very linear path, no?

[magpie215]

LimaDelta said:

Bannock said:

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

I would like to know your reasoning, as it is almost certainly not, given the energy required to change the direction of such a fast-moving object, it is surely likely to trace a very linear path, no?

Indeed the ISS tracks in a straight line west to east certainly no discernable direction changes.....same with most orbiting objects.

[Nova Gyna]

magpie215 said:

LimaDelta said:

Bannock said:

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

I would like to know your reasoning, as it is almost certainly not, given the energy required to change the direction of such a fast-moving object, it is surely likely to trace a very linear path, no?

Indeed the ISS tracks in a straight line west to east certainly no discernable direction changes.....same with most orbiting objects.

It’s also not observable from the UK during November until later in the month (17th - 24th)

[Blackpuddin]

Skeptisk said:

Milkyway said:

They could have power sources that make anything that we have developed seem like a horse & cart.

Like what?

They can have better technology but they can’t have better physics.

How about them being incredibly durable and having incredibly long lifespans?

[CivicDuties]

LimaDelta said:

Bannock said:

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

I would like to know your reasoning, as it is almost certainly not, given the energy required to change the direction of such a fast-moving object, it is surely likely to trace a very linear path, no?

My apologies, I must have completely misread your post, or just read what I thought you were going to say, in haste.

I don't think I'd put your sighting down to anything other than a man-made and piloted craft. It's enormously difficult to judge something's distance in the night sky, I would imagine that it was just an aircraft of some kind at a far lower altitude than it appeared to be.

[LimaDelta]

CivicDuties said:

LimaDelta said:

Bannock said:

LimaDelta said:

We saw something the other night. Aurora Borealis had been quite prominent the previous night so we (family of four) went into one of our fields to have a look, around 1930. It was almost fully dark, and we stayed for about 30 mins. In that time we saw stars, Jupiter, satellites, a couple of aircraft, a shooting star, and a single small white light which traced an irregular path across the sky. I was broadly moving NNW to SSE, but did not follow a straight path, and had a distinct randomness to its movement, I guess deviating anything up to 20deg at a time.

Anyway, not saying aliens, but currently unidentified, and curious if anyone has any ideas on what it could have been? Obviously judging altitude would be next to impossible from our vantage point on the ground. Winds were calm at ground level, and I forgot to check the 214 when I got home, so not sure on winds at altitude.

It'll either be the International Space Station, or any one of many visible man-made satellites orbiting the planet. Seen loads myself when up in "dark sky" areas like far south-west Scotland. Harder to spot where I live in the Thames Valley due to light pollution, but still not impossible. I saw the ISS one Christmas Eve night from an outdoor skating rink I'd taken my children to, and told them it was Father Christmas. Took them years to work out what it really was, great fun.

I would like to know your reasoning, as it is almost certainly not, given the energy required to change the direction of such a fast-moving object, it is surely likely to trace a very linear path, no?

My apologies, I must have completely misread your post, or just read what I thought you were going to say, in haste.

I don't think I'd put your sighting down to anything other than a man-made and piloted craft. It's enormously difficult to judge something's distance in the night sky, I would imagine that it was just an aircraft of some kind at a far lower altitude than it appeared to be.

It wasn't you who replied?

[CivicDuties]

LimaDelta said:

It wasn't you who replied?

It was, I've changed my screen name.

[LimaDelta]

CivicDuties said:

LimaDelta said:

It wasn't you who replied?

It was, I've changed my screen name.

Ah, confused me there.

[NRG1976]

CivicDuties said:

LimaDelta said:

It wasn't you who replied?

It was, I've changed my screen name.

Witness protection programme as you’re a high ranking whistleblower?

[skwdenyer]

Niponeoff said:

Skeptisk said:

Milkyway said:

They could have power sources that make anything that we have developed seem like a horse & cart.

Like what?

They can have better technology but they can’t have better physics.

• Known physics

We still don't understand quantum physics or the relationship with relativity, far too many unknowns

Read this for an insight on how such energy is theoretically available using a current (if not yet mainstream) understanding of physics: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Theory-Space-Time...

[Niponeoff]

skwdenyer said:

Niponeoff said:

Skeptisk said:

Milkyway said:

They could have power sources that make anything that we have developed seem like a horse & cart.

Like what?

They can have better technology but they can’t have better physics.

• Known physics

We still don't understand quantum physics or the relationship with relativity, far too many unknowns

Read this for an insight on how such energy is theoretically available using a current (if not yet mainstream) understanding of physics: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dynamic-Theory-Space-Time...

Were at 0.7 on the kardeshev scale. Come back to me when we get to 1.

[CivicDuties]

NRG1976 said:

CivicDuties said:

LimaDelta said:

It wasn't you who replied?

It was, I've changed my screen name.

Witness protection programme as you’re a high ranking whistleblower?

You ain't seen me, roight?

[skwdenyer]

Niponeoff said:

Were at 0.7 on the kardeshev scale. Come back to me when we get to 1.

You may be dead by then

[Guvernator]

Niponeoff said:

Were at 0.7 on the kardeshev scale. Come back to me when we get to 1.

As with my comment around our stop-start technological evolution, the Kardeshev scale can also be a little misleading. We have the technology to be a lot further along the scale then we are right now, however politics, financing, competing interests, global stranglehold of fossil fuels, the green agenda and lots of other factors have a huge impact on our capacity for energy production and energy technology.

Basically if we got our st together as a human race, we'd be much more advanced than we are now so it's not actually technology that is holding us back but plain old human nature.