Space Launch System - Orion

Space Launch System - Orion

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Eric Mc

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Saturday 16th January 2021
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Yep - safe shutdown just means it didn’t blow up.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 17th January 2021
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My guess - six month delay.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 17th January 2021
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The RS-25 was a very reliable engine - although in its early days when being tested prior to the first Shuttle flight they had a few explosions on the test stands.
These RS-25s have been heavilly modified for SLS. For example, they have been uprated to a higher thrust setting than when used on the Shuttle. This is because they are now expendable and don't have to be "saved" for future missions.

Also, they have never fired four of these in a cluster of four before (there were three on each Orbiter) so there may have been unexpected resonances and vibrations experienced with all four engines running together. That was part of the reason for running this test. Despite all your best predictions and modelling, there will be some unknowns every time you do something for the first time.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 19th January 2021
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Did they ever do a full Green Run with all five F1 engines during the development of the Saturn V?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 19th January 2021
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Thanks. I hadn’t taken that on board, even though I’ve been reading about this stuff for years.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 30th January 2021
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They'd already done that quite a few times.

Once you start doing firings with groups of engines, new factors come into play.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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Makes sense. One minute wasn't god enough to get the data they needed.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 13th February 2021
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Could they bolt an Orion onto a Starship?

Eric Mc

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Saturday 13th February 2021
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Orion is a deep space craft - unlike anything else built so far. Of course there are others possibly on the horizon.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 8th April 2021
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Flooble said:
Well, better than the live televised drop test of the Orion capsule.
They did that years ago.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 8th April 2021
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To be sure, to be sure, to be sure, to be sure........ ad nauseum.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 8th April 2021
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NASA has always made promotional; films of what it does. There is plenty of footage of the Apollo capsule doing that exact same test (including on one occasion when it actually sank).

Eric Mc

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Friday 16th April 2021
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Also on the Space X thread.

Maybe the two threads need to be merged as the two projects are gradually melding.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 21st April 2021
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What we are seeing is a convergence of two radically different projects. Having said that, I am still not convinced that Starship will ultimately be the actual Lunar Lander. I think the unexpected announcement last week was as much a political shot across the bows by NASA to elicit more funding from Congress than a genuine declaration of intent.

What I am sure of is that the next manned lunar landing will be closer to 2034 rather than 2024 - and it may not be American.

Eric Mc

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Monday 17th May 2021
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Did any Shuttles EVER put 110 tonnes into low earth orbit?

Eric Mc

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Monday 17th May 2021
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The Shuttle carried a lot of ballast into space. For it’s overall mass lifting capability, the actual payload was not great.

In theory, SLS will carry more useful mass into space.

And it’s optimised for deep space work rather than low earth orbit, so that might explain the difference.


Eric Mc

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Tuesday 18th May 2021
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Talksteer said:
Re SLS numbers to LEO.

The SLS can put around 70 tonnes into LEO without the upper stage with the core stage making orbit

The core stage weighs about 95 tonnes empty hence it can inject 165 tonnes into orbit.

Put a slightly heavier load on it and it stages just before orbit to maximize the payload over the injected mass.

The SLS is optimised (for pork barrel politics) for higher energy orbits than LEO and is also really optimised to use the exploration upper stage.
Thank you.

The ET of the Shuttle deliberately did not make orbit as they WANTED it to fall back and burn up. The Orbiter needed to fire its OMS engines for a few minutes to give it the final velocity increase to make Low Earth Orbit.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 18th May 2021
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MartG said:
Not everyone wanted to just discard the ET...

Oh - there were lots of ideas bandied about. But that’s all they ever were- until now. The problem is that they are probably now 20 years too late.

Eric Mc

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Friday 29th October 2021
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Yes - they should have appointed an ex-circus clown as they know all about what is involved in space flight and engineering.

Eric Mc

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Friday 29th October 2021
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Who would you have appointed?

I would have preferred Jim Bridenstein to stay on and Biden would have been happy to do so. Unfortunately, he chose to resign.