Climate Change - The Scientific Debate
Discussion
Apache said:
You have to wonder when all this CO2 is going to make its presence felt
One wonders...Maybe we could entertain a thought experiment? Like the one where if everyone in China stood still and then suddenly all jumped to the West it would cause the earth to shake wobble and roll out of orbit and go crashing into the sun.
What if we all held our breaths for 20 seconds in every hour during each and every day, maybe that would keep the warmists happy - well at least they'd have to shut up for a while.
Agreed, gone very quiet in here. (Does that mean the science is settled?) 
However, if anyone wanted some analysis of why CO2 levels lag temp change then you can find a talk here.
Very interesting stuff. It's all very much Fourier stuff proving (lack of) causality with a slight bit of politic thrown in.
Enjoy!
However, if anyone wanted some analysis of why CO2 levels lag temp change then you can find a talk here.
Very interesting stuff. It's all very much Fourier stuff proving (lack of) causality with a slight bit of politic thrown in.
Enjoy!
TransverseTight said:
The last point first – I'm questioning my thinking in a site where I can see the established regulars are the status quo and are anti AGW hypothesis
It's good you are thinking and I hope the people here will treat you with some respect, though having seen a few come and go over the years I don't rate your chances.There is a reason why the 'established members' here are anti AGW, and that's because many of us have read the scientific papers, we've seen through the political bulls
t driving these beliefs (there's a reason why the political thread on climate change is running bigger than the science one now).Just be aware that you are up against people that have been following this for the last 10-15 years. Many of us are well read on the subject and the reason we don't subscribe to the 'consensus of the science of CO2 being settled' is because we don't subscribe to the idea that the science is settled. The CO2/Carbon mantra is just frankly wrong.
It (CO2) is not causing warming... in fact recently there has been no warming, and further I posted to a video link earlier in this thread that to me currently proves unrefuted anaysis of why CO2 levels only follow changes in temp.
Now if you'd like to get into some discussions about Fourier analysis with some of the mathematicians here then knock you socks off, it'll be a good read.
Until then I call troll. (A troll being someone who refuses to face some facts and just wants to make noise on an internet forum).
Essentially go a way until you have some science we can debate.
Big Al. said:
Guys suggest you clam down a little and drop the offensive name calling, fail to do that and your posting privileges to this thread will be removed.
As you were.......
Al, I hope that wasn't me that caused your post.As you were.......
Even so, we're hopefully not having to go run the same circles we've done here time and time again.
A relative newby pops up (once again) on a topic that has been running here for years and a whole heap of respected and regular posters on this topic receive a warning to behave or lose their posting privileges.
A little further clarification from the mods point of view would be appreciated here. Have you had any complaints received? What's the story and why the need for this warning?
Thanks.
TheHeretic said:
Phew... For a moment there I thought you were moving this entire thread to the 'YouTube' thread...
As a COMPLETE parody of everything that is AGW this song completely sums it up with out ever actually mentioning AGW once. All the flaws of life, relationships and AGW laid bare for all to hear... cycled round and around and around and around and then sold to the masses. The anger, frustration, the passion, the circle turning. All in a manner that even Elgar might have been proud of.
mebe said:
That is rather brilliant. Seriously talented.
Yep.. and when he mentions the third dimension, I always think of Turbobloke... that guy's really deep.The whole concept of a dark side and developing a brooding potential. That song just fits the crap we've been fed for years. The scales he plays fit the minute changes we've been fed in global temps, and the utter b
ks we are told of as being fact. Big tune, small fiddles and HUGE ups and downs that we've seen over the years here.I love it, it only requires a slight change in perspective to realise it's not too far from the truth.
Glad you liked it, I can't get over thinking that Daddy never came to my ball games could be a pun on Al Gore!
You're right though it is rather good... even the beginning is all about changing the lights a bit. It's really deep eh?
odyssey2200 said:
Mods.
I think the above deserves an answer. (not holding breath)
You'll need to hit the report button as pretty much all the PH Mods do not follow the climate threads.I think the above deserves an answer. (not holding breath)
My guess is the only reason BigAll posted was because someone clicked the report button.
There is nobody on the PH Mod team that follows these threads to the degree required, so the moment there is a complaint they can only act off the last few posts.
alock said:
It's proof to me that many therefore see it as a political issue and not a scientific issue.
Witness the volume of posts on our 'political thread' versus this 'scientific thread'.The science is settled don't you know? Leaving one to only decide towards which side of the fence one would like to jump.
Oh what a paradox!
Globs said:
No climate model has the faintest clue about long term albedo trends. We know it was low during the MWP, and high during the LIA but they do not know why, so the chance of accurately simulating them in the future is zero.
No accurate cloud albedo = Failed radiative equations = wild guesses only
I certainly can't argue with this point. In my mind it's a bit like diagnosing the cause of a knocking sound from a car engine whilst having no ability to measure the oil level, nor what condition the oil is in, or even if there is any oil left in there. No accurate cloud albedo = Failed radiative equations = wild guesses only
Certainly the service history isn't much use either...
It's just Noddy and Big Ears land.How many times a day do weather stations measure temperature?
By that I mean - is a mean temperature for any one day calculated from a min/max reading or is it an average reading of several measurements taken each hour/minute?
When (if ever) did we move from a min-max to an average measured over the entire day/night?
I'd like to put aside any talk and mathematics from here for the moment, purely because I cannot find any reference to a document that says 'If you would like to contribute to the measuring of temperatures this is the equipment you need to purchase, this is how you get it certified and this is how you submit your data'.
What am I missing here?
I am willing to invest in a certified temperature recording data collector that will record and submit certified and calibrated temperature data to a certified data centre....
Where do I sign? What are the terms? What equipment do I need to purchase?
(In the past I worked for a Pharmaceutical company where I was checking balances 'weighing scales' to class E1 and F1, where are the classes for measuring temps?)
By that I mean - is a mean temperature for any one day calculated from a min/max reading or is it an average reading of several measurements taken each hour/minute?
When (if ever) did we move from a min-max to an average measured over the entire day/night?
I'd like to put aside any talk and mathematics from here for the moment, purely because I cannot find any reference to a document that says 'If you would like to contribute to the measuring of temperatures this is the equipment you need to purchase, this is how you get it certified and this is how you submit your data'.
What am I missing here?
I am willing to invest in a certified temperature recording data collector that will record and submit certified and calibrated temperature data to a certified data centre....
Where do I sign? What are the terms? What equipment do I need to purchase?
(In the past I worked for a Pharmaceutical company where I was checking balances 'weighing scales' to class E1 and F1, where are the classes for measuring temps?)
Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 19th February 17:45
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