RE: Marcos Launch Pics
Discussion
Well FWIW, I like it.
If I was out shopping for a new car with £50k in my pocket it would certainly make the shortlist, where sadly it wouldn't be meeting any of TVRs latest efforts
I like the T-Top version, I'd prefer glass removable panels, but hey, it's no big deal.
The instruments, as has been noted previously, really need to be behind the steering wheel. To have to take your eyes off the road and look that far away to see the speedo, especially the amount of times we seem to be required to do so in these days of authorities obsession with speeding, could be classed as dangerous. Manufactures didn't invent HUD just for the gimic, we really need to be able to just glance to see the instruments.
I'm not keen on the interior colour of the T Top, but it is only a demonstrator, so colour schemes are a minor issue.
Great reliable engine and not overstyled body (TVR take note on both counts!)
I hope Marcos have every success with this car, if only for the selfish fact that there will be a few more used ones around when they drop into my price range
If I was out shopping for a new car with £50k in my pocket it would certainly make the shortlist, where sadly it wouldn't be meeting any of TVRs latest efforts
I like the T-Top version, I'd prefer glass removable panels, but hey, it's no big deal.
The instruments, as has been noted previously, really need to be behind the steering wheel. To have to take your eyes off the road and look that far away to see the speedo, especially the amount of times we seem to be required to do so in these days of authorities obsession with speeding, could be classed as dangerous. Manufactures didn't invent HUD just for the gimic, we really need to be able to just glance to see the instruments.
I'm not keen on the interior colour of the T Top, but it is only a demonstrator, so colour schemes are a minor issue.
Great reliable engine and not overstyled body (TVR take note on both counts!)
I hope Marcos have every success with this car, if only for the selfish fact that there will be a few more used ones around when they drop into my price range
Edited by geoffvalenti on Wednesday 12th July 08:09
If this car had a Ferrari or Porsche badge we would have condemned the designer. I’ll probably get flamed for this but the front air intake looks weird, overall the car has a strange bulbous look, the middle set of lights on the diffuser aren’t clever at all, the rear wheel arches should be of a lower profile, fuel filler cap in the window is strange, the continuous lines from the air vents to the door kind of conflict with the rear wheel arch, do they come with well designed doorhandles instead of holes?, what are the metal tubes for hanging out behind the drivers head?, the rubber seals on the targa top look inflated, the carpet behind the seats must have been on special and the roof of the coupe isn’t raked enough on top.
Practical hat on: Tachometer in the line of sight would be a nice, a handbrake that doesn’t obstruct the instrument cluster (Although it kind of fits with the rest of the interior which looks like a mish-mash of stuff from the spare parts bin) and that glove box will open right onto the passengers knees.
However I like the Exhausts
Practical hat on: Tachometer in the line of sight would be a nice, a handbrake that doesn’t obstruct the instrument cluster (Although it kind of fits with the rest of the interior which looks like a mish-mash of stuff from the spare parts bin) and that glove box will open right onto the passengers knees.
However I like the Exhausts
apache said:
...but that interior is awful, the old Griff/Chim interiors should be eclipsed by now, this ain't gonna do it
Actually, it's horrific. I hope those controls fore of the gear lever are supposed to be used on the move... from the photos it looks like an Ergonomic disaster area...
.. and those dials look like cheap Max Power overlays...
EDIT - any news on when customer cars will actually be made available...?
Edited by Podie on Wednesday 12th July 08:30
It's a car you have to see with your own eyes, in the fibre, to make an opinion. The Ferrari 599 is like this too.
I think it has something to do with camera lenses (seriously!). Just as you can take a photo of a car, any car, in a way that 'adds drama', so the converse is true - it's possible to take a shot that mildly distorts. Until I actually saw a Marcos TSO (late last year) I'd have been in your camp, speedy t, because unfortunately a lot of Marcos' own early photos weren't complimentary. I'm not the only one who has had 'an epiphany' when I walked up to one.
The bit I don't like in the photos is the location of the front number plate. As for the centre clocks comments, they work a lot better than you'd think.
I think it has something to do with camera lenses (seriously!). Just as you can take a photo of a car, any car, in a way that 'adds drama', so the converse is true - it's possible to take a shot that mildly distorts. Until I actually saw a Marcos TSO (late last year) I'd have been in your camp, speedy t, because unfortunately a lot of Marcos' own early photos weren't complimentary. I'm not the only one who has had 'an epiphany' when I walked up to one.
The bit I don't like in the photos is the location of the front number plate. As for the centre clocks comments, they work a lot better than you'd think.
:cough: Dials in the middle wouldn't be much trouble reading . . . or do you guys really have to move yer head for info 
Maybe I'm an owl . . . Check what you're doing while driving: looking at the passenger side-mirror, mid-mirror, radio, air, heating . . . all 'not' behind the wheel. Wiesmann has dials in the centre as well, at a slight angle. Luv that. But then, I won't know untill I had that test-drive . . .
Rene, looks like a decent trip to Zwaagdijk . . . when the demo rolls in.
Maybe I'm an owl . . . Check what you're doing while driving: looking at the passenger side-mirror, mid-mirror, radio, air, heating . . . all 'not' behind the wheel. Wiesmann has dials in the centre as well, at a slight angle. Luv that. But then, I won't know untill I had that test-drive . . .
Rene, looks like a decent trip to Zwaagdijk . . . when the demo rolls in.
I would never buy this over any car in the TVR range, even a Sagaris with its stick on bits! To me it has no modern design to it at all and looks like most other Marcus cars, slightly too kit car-ish for a car manufacturer. If they are trying to take away TVR owners I think they need more than a V8. It may look better in the flesh, but it can't look that much better! It may also be a fantastic drive, but that isn't everything, as TVR's tend to make you look over your shoulder as you walk away, that would make me wonder why I bought it.
BossCerbera said:
It's a car you have to see with your own eyes, in the fibre, to make an opinion. The Ferrari 599 is like this too.
I think it has something to do with camera lenses (seriously!). Just as you can take a photo of a car, any car, in a way that 'adds drama', so the converse is true - it's possible to take a shot that mildly distorts. Until I actually saw a Marcos TSO (late last year) I'd have been in your camp, speedy t, because unfortunately a lot of Marcos' own early photos weren't complimentary. I'm not the only one who has had 'an epiphany' when I walked up to one.
The bit I don't like in the photos is the location of the front number plate. As for the centre clocks comments, they work a lot better than you'd think.
I think it has something to do with camera lenses (seriously!). Just as you can take a photo of a car, any car, in a way that 'adds drama', so the converse is true - it's possible to take a shot that mildly distorts. Until I actually saw a Marcos TSO (late last year) I'd have been in your camp, speedy t, because unfortunately a lot of Marcos' own early photos weren't complimentary. I'm not the only one who has had 'an epiphany' when I walked up to one.
The bit I don't like in the photos is the location of the front number plate. As for the centre clocks comments, they work a lot better than you'd think.
I've seen the Orange one at Champ Cars, and wasn't a fan of the interior when I saw it - although I appreciate it's a pre-production car.
Again, not seen the latest car, but the clocks themselves didn't look nice IMO.
sidesauce said:
blutusc said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again
eh???? I think you'll find you're very much 
... I really 'want' to like the car, and wish them great success, but there is simply something overall that grates. As for the instruments, given the max engine and max styling, I think a heads-up display would be ideal.
BossC is right, you do have to see this car in the flesh to appreciate the design...only then can you fully realise that something isnt right with it. I spent 2 days with the TSO and a lot of time trying to "get" the design but just couldnt, the proportions are all wrong. Certains things are either too long, too wide, too large and others too small, too narrow. I said it at the time to Ben and Chiara and Ill say it again, the interior is a disgrace, straight back to the cheap tat look of 80's and 90's Ferraris. A special place to be it is not. The inside of a Sagaris never feels anything other than a special place.
Must admit though, I much prefer the targa to the coupe version, the opening helps to break up the rear end mass and it certainly looks better in blue than Silver.
Somebody mentioned a duck tail...what? It hasnt got a duck tail, Kamm rear end maybe, but it aint got a duck tail! The splitter aswell...purely cosmetic. It was stuck there purely to tidy up the underside of the rear end and something to fill the gap.
Performance wise the thing is bloody fast in the old Griff tradition. Oodles of power and torque and it leaves a Sagaris standing...unless you know its comming in the Sag, you already have 2nd selected, 3k revs on the board and nail the throttle with him. In which case there is bollox all in it and the Marcos driver can frankly do whatever the f**k he likes and he isnt going to lose you all the way through the gearbox and rev range upto about 130/140 ish then he will pull away as the Sagaris starts to resemble a barn door.
Handling wise, yep very subjective. Ride quality is better in a Marcos than 'Gris, but it does roll more, eve though grip levels are very high. To get the best of out a 'Gris though, you have to have 100mph on the clock though and have the aeros working properly...not exactly best practice on the road!
My fiancee though prefers the Marcos over all to the Sagaris, you regards it as looking more mature, grown up and likes the understated, less in your face design.
Must admit though, I much prefer the targa to the coupe version, the opening helps to break up the rear end mass and it certainly looks better in blue than Silver.
Somebody mentioned a duck tail...what? It hasnt got a duck tail, Kamm rear end maybe, but it aint got a duck tail! The splitter aswell...purely cosmetic. It was stuck there purely to tidy up the underside of the rear end and something to fill the gap.
Performance wise the thing is bloody fast in the old Griff tradition. Oodles of power and torque and it leaves a Sagaris standing...unless you know its comming in the Sag, you already have 2nd selected, 3k revs on the board and nail the throttle with him. In which case there is bollox all in it and the Marcos driver can frankly do whatever the f**k he likes and he isnt going to lose you all the way through the gearbox and rev range upto about 130/140 ish then he will pull away as the Sagaris starts to resemble a barn door.
Handling wise, yep very subjective. Ride quality is better in a Marcos than 'Gris, but it does roll more, eve though grip levels are very high. To get the best of out a 'Gris though, you have to have 100mph on the clock though and have the aeros working properly...not exactly best practice on the road!
My fiancee though prefers the Marcos over all to the Sagaris, you regards it as looking more mature, grown up and likes the understated, less in your face design.
cossie. said:
Need I say more?
Now, where's my cheque book!
Hmmm, that figures - it is something of a walking barn door rugger/bouncer type compared to the leaner, meaner, trimmer posture of a T350/Sagaris...
Sorry, but I still think it looks blunt, awkward and slab-sided next to a Tiv...
dinkel said:
:cough: Dials in the middle wouldn't be much trouble reading . . . or do you guys really have to move yer head for info
Maybe I'm an owl . . . Check what you're doing while driving: looking at the passenger side-mirror, mid-mirror, radio, air, heating . . . all 'not' behind the wheel. Wiesmann has dials in the centre as well, at a slight angle. Luv that. But then, I won't know untill I had that test-drive . . .
Rene, looks like a decent trip to Zwaagdijk . . . when the demo rolls in.
Maybe I'm an owl . . . Check what you're doing while driving: looking at the passenger side-mirror, mid-mirror, radio, air, heating . . . all 'not' behind the wheel. Wiesmann has dials in the centre as well, at a slight angle. Luv that. But then, I won't know untill I had that test-drive . . .
Rene, looks like a decent trip to Zwaagdijk . . . when the demo rolls in.
hmm, could do that, always good to se such art again
GTRene
dinkel said:
:cough: Dials in the middle wouldn't be much trouble reading . . . or do you guys really have to move yer head for info
There is evidence to show, that positioned correctly, it is quicker and easier to assimilate information from dials in that area, rather than behind the steering wheel.
dinkel said:
Maybe I'm an owl . . . Check what you're doing while driving: looking at the passenger side-mirror, mid-mirror, radio, air, heating . . . all 'not' behind the wheel.
Agreed - certainly looks that was from the picture.
I saw the Marcos at the Griff Growl last year and was disappointed by cramped interior, so it's good to hear that TS has responded to public comments. The exterior design retains a Marcos feel whilst being more up to date than the bloated attempts at muscle cars of the 90's - I like it. The interior though is a let down, whatever one says, the only reason for centrally positioned instruments is cost-cutting. The place for a rev-counter is directly below you line of vision where you can see it as you rip up through the revs changing gears! As for the strange concave area that spans the dash area, what's the purpose of this? Certainly you can't store stuff there so it's not a cubby or storage place for sunglasses etc. All in all a pleasant GT shape in the style of a 1960's Le Mans car but disappointing inside. p.s. anyone else think it reminds them of a MINI inside? Perhaps they raided the BMW parts bin! 
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. Some needed some dials in front..are those anough for you? by the time you have read them all your in the channel
maybe brabus offer a better choice then? like they did with their smart brabus...you just stick them on both sids of the steering wheel
They also did the Marcos thing in the early days look at this old Jag markVII , it also had the dials in the center...did not hear them complaine Marcos is a bit strange, but that keeps it special me thinks...
cheers
GTRene
by the time you have read them all your in the channel maybe brabus offer a better choice then? like they did with their smart brabus...you just stick them on both sids of the steering wheel
They also did the Marcos thing in the early days look at this old Jag markVII , it also had the dials in the center...did not hear them complaine
Marcos is a bit strange, but that keeps it special me thinks... cheers
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Wednesday 12th July 11:25
richb said:
mini dashboard pic
without a doubt that's a MINI. although i like the dash
if they had retained the rev counter infront of the sterring wheel look then you could just have that showing the speed digitally on the little screen like i do! i never look at the big 4ss speedo other than to periodically check the warning lights etc...
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i have never seen a marcos with a MINI dash though - wonder if it was a really early prototype..?
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