Official 2020 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ** SPOILERS**
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TheDeuce said:
Great, thanks! You came dangerously close to sounding like there might have been an interesting reason for saying the tape makes a component a different spec - I'm sorry to learn that wasn't the case..
Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
Read that back to yourself, honestly, what's up with you?Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Great, thanks! You came dangerously close to sounding like there might have been an interesting reason for saying the tape makes a component a different spec - I'm sorry to learn that wasn't the case..
Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
Read that back to yourself, honestly, what's up with you?Did you literally just post that to let someone else know you think they're wrong, but have no interest whatsoever in helping them be right next time? In terms of contributions, that isn't one.
You know I appreciate your posts and we agree fairly often I think - but you are an arse sometimes. Stop doing that
TheDeuce said:
Just explain the tape theory... You raised it! We're all here to either learn or argue about F1. You say the tape makes the component a different spec... so explain why/how.
You know I appreciate your posts and we agree fairly often I think - but you are an arse sometimes. Stop doing that
Adding tape to an item changes its spec, it is now a different spec part if that tape was not applied in an identical way to the part removed.You know I appreciate your posts and we agree fairly often I think - but you are an arse sometimes. Stop doing that
You are also only allowed under parke ferme rules to add tape to the bodywork, used to seal the join points. Adding tape to the replacement pushrod broke park ferme rules.
So you have two issues.
As to the rest of your post, back at you!
jsf said:
TheDeuce said:
Just explain the tape theory... You raised it! We're all here to either learn or argue about F1. You say the tape makes the component a different spec... so explain why/how.
You know I appreciate your posts and we agree fairly often I think - but you are an arse sometimes. Stop doing that
Adding tape to an item changes its spec, it is now a different spec part if that tape was not applied in an identical way to the part removed.You know I appreciate your posts and we agree fairly often I think - but you are an arse sometimes. Stop doing that
You are also only allowed under parke ferme rules to add tape to the bodywork, used to seal the join points. Adding tape to the replacement pushrod broke park ferme rules.
So you have two issues.
As to the rest of your post, back at you!
If tape lands on track and a car scoops it up should the driver be penalised?..
Surely with things in the state they are it is not in the sport's best interests at all for the FIA to come down hard on a team using tape to get a car ready for a race, given what positive coverage there was of the mechanics being able to achieve such a massive feat before the race started, and Max splitting the Mercedes?
if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
Durzel said:
Surely with things in the state they are it is not in the sport's best interests at all for the FIA to come down hard on a team using tape to get a car ready for a race, given what positive coverage there was of the mechanics being able to achieve such a massive feat before the race started, and Max splitting the Mercedes?
if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
The tape clearly wasn't a functional part of the component - you can actually do a lot with tape... But using it to yolk a wheel twixt car won't work if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
It was a pre configured part, the tape might simply have had a reference scribbled on it to that setting, or even just an inventory part number etc. It had no function, no benefit and didn't change the spec of the component it was attached to.
No one has complained, except JSF who now appears to not be worried about it anyway
TheDeuce said:
Durzel said:
Surely with things in the state they are it is not in the sport's best interests at all for the FIA to come down hard on a team using tape to get a car ready for a race, given what positive coverage there was of the mechanics being able to achieve such a massive feat before the race started, and Max splitting the Mercedes?
if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
The tape clearly wasn't a functional part of the component - you can actually do a lot with tape... But using it to yolk a wheel twixt car won't work if it comes down to tape being illegitimate, and a punishment being meted out because of it, then surely everyone has lost all sense of perspective.
Has any team actually complained about it?
It was a pre configured part, the tape might simply have had a reference scribbled on it to that setting, or even just an inventory part number etc. It had no function, no benefit and didn't change the spec of the component it was attached to.
No one has complained, except JSF who now appears to not be worried about it anyway
ajprice said:
CustardOnChips said:
I'd be very supprised if there was a car on the grid that didn't have tape of some description applied to it when the race started.
Clear tape over the body panel shutlines and screwheads is common.kambites said:
Pretty sure that applying that after qualifying would be a breach of Parc Ferme, though. You could very easily change the aero performance of a car with a small bit of clear tape.
Its specifically mentioned in the sporting regulations that tape can be applied to the bodywork. With regards to the pushrod, I'm not arguing for a penalty, I'm stating a fact, park ferme rules were broken because the item was now a different spec.
And deuce, the tape was applied after all the assembly was completed, it wasnt some remnant markup label.
jsf said:
Its specifically mentioned in the sporting regulations that tape can be applied to the bodywork.
With regards to the pushrod, I'm not arguing for a penalty, I'm stating a fact, park ferme rules were broken because the item was now a different spec.
And deuce, the tape was applied after all the assembly was completed, it wasnt some remnant markup label.
Fair enough regards tape added after the repair - for whatever reason. But how does that change the spec of the part? The original had tape on, just slightly less (or vice versa, whatever)With regards to the pushrod, I'm not arguing for a penalty, I'm stating a fact, park ferme rules were broken because the item was now a different spec.
And deuce, the tape was applied after all the assembly was completed, it wasnt some remnant markup label.
TheDeuce said:
jsf said:
Its specifically mentioned in the sporting regulations that tape can be applied to the bodywork.
With regards to the pushrod, I'm not arguing for a penalty, I'm stating a fact, park ferme rules were broken because the item was now a different spec.
And deuce, the tape was applied after all the assembly was completed, it wasnt some remnant markup label.
Fair enough regards tape added after the repair - for whatever reason. But how does that change the spec of the part? The original had tape on, just slightly less (or vice versa, whatever)With regards to the pushrod, I'm not arguing for a penalty, I'm stating a fact, park ferme rules were broken because the item was now a different spec.
And deuce, the tape was applied after all the assembly was completed, it wasnt some remnant markup label.
t? REALIST123 said:
It doesn’t. He’s wrong. Who really gives a st?
I'm not wrong. t? In this case, the people that mattered dont.
In a sport where the rules are applied so strictly at times, it's amazing you dont see the potential issue. They have court cases over less than 1mm on parts. If the car is outside the regs they are excluded if it fails post race checks.
In this instance it wasn't picked up or enforced, doesn't mean they didn't break the rules and could have been excluded.
REALIST123 said:
It doesn’t. He’s wrong. Who really gives a st?
I don't really, assuming that the tape really doesn't matter in the eyes of the FIA.t? But JSF seems so adamant it is technically an infringement that I was curious to know if that could be true. But the more I think about it... I'm pretty sure if I gave a scrutineer two identical components, one with a ring of tape wrapped around the centre, one with tape 10mm off centre, the scrutineer would simply remove the tape and then check they're otherwise identical.
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