Mohammed ben Sulayem
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I don't think he's going to make many friends in the paddock.
https://www.givemesport.com/88018953-hamilton-vett...
https://www.givemesport.com/88018953-hamilton-vett...
This guy is starting to come across as a bit of a pillock.
He seems to steer interviews to contentious places for no other reason than to attempt to demonstrate that he can handle contentious issues and won't be distracted by them
Dude, if you want to focus only on the sport then great - so shut up talking about the exploits of others that do not and lead by example!
He seems to steer interviews to contentious places for no other reason than to attempt to demonstrate that he can handle contentious issues and won't be distracted by them
Dude, if you want to focus only on the sport then great - so shut up talking about the exploits of others that do not and lead by example!
Just trying to see what the actual controversy here is?
The actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
The actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
For anybody who might've wondered, this is the question MBS was responding to;
Agnes Carlier said:
What should the sport NOT become in your opinion?
Link to interviewHustleRussell said:
For anybody who might've wondered, this is the question MBS was responding to;
I would think it becomes a little difficult to air your views through a helmet at 190mph as the sport is taking place...Agnes Carlier said:
What should the sport NOT become in your opinion?
Link to interviewAs the chequered flag drops, turn off the sound.
HustleRussell said:
So he’s now shown that he’s a politician - he only holds his views until they get criticism, then a quick flip-flop apology effectively rewinding his earlier comments that drivers should not publicly hold views on those things. He’s for all those things providing that F1 drivers don’t talk about them, and that F1 doesn’t have to take a stance on them?
HustleRussell said:
Sparta, settle my curiosity- have you ever read a thread back and thought to yourself "I've shat all over this thread", or do you lack the situational awareness?
I’m aware that threads decline rapidly when a contributor throws personal insults at another contributor instead of just arguing about the point on which they disagree 
In the meantime Ham could respect FIA rules and lead by example, rather than moaning and playing the "victim". He can then focus on trying to beat Rus.
JonChalk said:
HustleRussell said:
[b]So he’s now shown that he’s a politician [/b]- he only holds his views until they get criticism, then a quick flip-flop apology effectively rewinding his earlier comments that drivers should not publicly hold views on those things.
He’s for all those things providing that F1 drivers don’t talk about them, and that F1 doesn’t have to take a stance on them?
And if that wasn't quite out-of-touch enough, he's also paired it with seeming to criticise said celebrated people for their supporting of some quite current and woke things.
Teddy Lop said:
And if that wasn't quite out-of-touch enough, he's also paired it with seeming to criticise said celebrated people for their supporting of some quite current and woke things.
Frankly I am amazed the lefties aren't calling for his resignation for that. Next week will he be complaining all those people who do the charity walks should just stay at home and watch F1?!?!
TypeRTim said:
Just trying to see what the actual controversy here is?
The actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
That was my take on the article tooThe actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
TypeRTim said:
Just trying to see what the actual controversy here is?
The actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
To some extent I agree but the issue I have is:The actual quote seems to be him saying "back in the good old days, the drivers drove, went home and we heard nothing about them until the next race. That was nice. Whereas now, they are all subject to so much media and some of them are using that to try and further causes outside of F1." His next part being, should that be something that is allowed or encouraged in F1?
His point, i guess, is that he doesn't try to impose his personal beliefs or his religious beliefs on other people or use his platform to further his cause. He just tries to get on with the job at hand. The drivers should do the same.
It's an old fashioned view for sure.
I partly agree. I don't watch sport to be lectured on politics or anything else (except maybe aerodynamics). I watch it for the sport, the technical show case and for entertainment, a bit of escapism. But I don't think that should shut drivers down for what they do or say outside of F1. Many are raising valid concerns and doing their best to make an impact on something they feel passionate about. I don't think that should be discouraged, far from it. I can ignore social media, or choose not to follow certain drivers if I don't like or care about what they have to say. But if it's part of the F1 broadcast, that becomes a lot harder.
I think people are looking for ways to undermine him and are making a mountain out of this particular mole hill when you read the actual quotes.
I accept, I may have read it completely wrong!
"Vettel drives a rainbow bicycle"
I don't know about others but that remark sounds disparaging, disrespectful, and dare I say it it perhaps hints on MBS's views regarding LGBTQ+ community.
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
vaud said:
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
Titanium and platinum is ok in an MRI. I believe that is what Lewis' nose stud is made from (platinum?)
Just allow them to sign a disclaimer - like they do anyway, before each race.
PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
Titanium and platinum is ok in an MRI. I believe that is what Lewis' nose stud is made from (platinum?)
Just allow them to sign a disclaimer - like they do anyway, before each race.
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
That's my view on it.
On this specific issue, LH should never have gotten the piercings in the first place as it was against the rules when he got them. Lack of enforcement is not an excuse for wilful disobedience.
TypeRTim said:
PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
Titanium and platinum is ok in an MRI. I believe that is what Lewis' nose stud is made from (platinum?)
Just allow them to sign a disclaimer - like they do anyway, before each race.
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
That's my view on it.
On this specific issue, LH should never have gotten the piercings in the first place as it was against the rules when he got them. Lack of enforcement is not an excuse for wilful disobedience.
My view is that if Max and Lewis sign a disclaimer, then job done - nothing to see here, nothing to enforce, no comebacks from either side. And, even without the disclaimer, seemingly little impact from a medical standpoint where non-ferrous metals are concerned, as far as I can see.
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