Mohammed ben Sulayem
Discussion
PhilAsia said:
TypeRTim said:
PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
Titanium and platinum is ok in an MRI. I believe that is what Lewis' nose stud is made from (platinum?)
Just allow them to sign a disclaimer - like they do anyway, before each race.
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
That's my view on it.
On this specific issue, LH should never have gotten the piercings in the first place as it was against the rules when he got them. Lack of enforcement is not an excuse for wilful disobedience.
My view is that if Max and Lewis sign a disclaimer, then job done - nothing to see here, nothing to enforce, no comebacks from either side. And, even without the disclaimer, seemingly little impact from a medical standpoint where non-ferrous metals are concerned, as far as I can see.
It's not just the question of MRI - it's also a question of melting points and causing huge long term damage through heat exposure.
If you allow drivers to side-step a safety rule by signing a waiver, it opens up that avenue for every other safety rule. Comfortable racing without the Halo? Sign a disclaimer and you don't have to. Don't want to wear all the layers of nomex during the hot races? Sign a disclaimer and you don't have to.
The drivers (and teams) should not be able to pick and choose which rules they obey without consequence. That's why they are rules and not 'guidelines'
TypeRTim said:
PhilAsia said:
TypeRTim said:
PhilAsia said:
vaud said:
PhilAsia said:
Wonderful irritation to some... Lewis thinks it should remain for the rest of the year (as jewelry).
On the jewellery topic I partly agree with Mohammed ben Sulayem... embedded jewellery IS a risk for a driver in event of a crash and injury. You can't put metal in an MRI scanner.Let them race with jewellery, but limit the amount... and it must be removable.
Titanium and platinum is ok in an MRI. I believe that is what Lewis' nose stud is made from (platinum?)
Just allow them to sign a disclaimer - like they do anyway, before each race.
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
That's my view on it.
On this specific issue, LH should never have gotten the piercings in the first place as it was against the rules when he got them. Lack of enforcement is not an excuse for wilful disobedience.
My view is that if Max and Lewis sign a disclaimer, then job done - nothing to see here, nothing to enforce, no comebacks from either side. And, even without the disclaimer, seemingly little impact from a medical standpoint where non-ferrous metals are concerned, as far as I can see.
It's not just the question of MRI - it's also a question of melting points and causing huge long term damage through heat exposure.
If you allow drivers to side-step a safety rule by signing a waiver, it opens up that avenue for every other safety rule. Comfortable racing without the Halo? Sign a disclaimer and you don't have to. Don't want to wear all the layers of nomex during the hot races? Sign a disclaimer and you don't have to.
The drivers (and teams) should not be able to pick and choose which rules they obey without consequence. That's why they are rules and not 'guidelines'
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3994571...
rscott said:
You've not seen that Gasly and Magnusson aren't happy about it either?
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3994571...
I had not seen that article. I'm pretty sure that an exemption was made for wedding rings due to the symbolic nature of them from what I recall - open to correction on that one, but I'm sure Russel joked with Hamilton in a presser about getting married to get around wearing jewellery. As for religious purposes, there is nothing in christianity that implores or enforces wearing of a cross, so that is purely personal preference (it definitely isn't something all christians do) and so in my view, subject to the same rules as regular necklaces.https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3994571...
Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
Plenty of professions dictate what you can or cannot wear with many of them not being high earning jobs.
A driver paid multi millions pounds should be able to comply with the rules set out and get a grip instead of twisting it into a ‘human rights’ issue. Same as appropriate fire proof underwear.
Should they outlaw massive chips on the shoulder, Lewis is stuffed.
A driver paid multi millions pounds should be able to comply with the rules set out and get a grip instead of twisting it into a ‘human rights’ issue. Same as appropriate fire proof underwear.
Should they outlaw massive chips on the shoulder, Lewis is stuffed.
TypeRTim said:
I had not seen that article. I'm pretty sure that an exemption was made for wedding rings due to the symbolic nature of them from what I recall - open to correction on that one, but I'm sure Russel joked with Hamilton in a presser about getting married to get around wearing jewellery. As for religious purposes, there is nothing in christianity that implores or enforces wearing of a cross, so that is purely personal preference (it definitely isn't something all christians do) and so in my view, subject to the same rules as regular necklaces.
Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
Piercings are forbidden by Islam for a man. It is considered Haram for a man to wear piercings as this is considering imitating a woman and let's not even talk about gay rights. Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
Surprised that the head of the FIA is going after certain drivers? Not really.
M5-911 said:
TypeRTim said:
I had not seen that article. I'm pretty sure that an exemption was made for wedding rings due to the symbolic nature of them from what I recall - open to correction on that one, but I'm sure Russel joked with Hamilton in a presser about getting married to get around wearing jewellery. As for religious purposes, there is nothing in christianity that implores or enforces wearing of a cross, so that is purely personal preference (it definitely isn't something all christians do) and so in my view, subject to the same rules as regular necklaces.
Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
Piercings are forbidden by Islam for a man. It is considered Haram for a man to wear piercings as this is considering imitating a woman and let's not even talk about gay rights. Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
Surprised that the head of the FIA is going after certain drivers? Not really.
Not because, after the s
t show shambles that was the ending of last season, a greater emphasis has been put on following all of the rules and following them to the letter as written?TypeRTim said:
So, are you saying that the only reason this rule is being enforced now is because the head of the FIA is a muslim and is trying to treat all drivers as muslims and holding them to those standards?
Not because, after the st show shambles that was the ending of last season, a greater emphasis has been put on following all of the rules and following them to the letter as written?
He is trying to hold them to his standard of belief not to theirs and certainly not respecting what they want to stand for.Not because, after the s
t show shambles that was the ending of last season, a greater emphasis has been put on following all of the rules and following them to the letter as written?Last year was a sh@t show and he had the power to act to put right what went wrong is the last race . He didn't. Drivers are still complaining about wrong penalties so he is not doing anything better than the crooks before.
M5-911 said:
TypeRTim said:
So, are you saying that the only reason this rule is being enforced now is because the head of the FIA is a muslim and is trying to treat all drivers as muslims and holding them to those standards?
Not because, after the st show shambles that was the ending of last season, a greater emphasis has been put on following all of the rules and following them to the letter as written?
He is trying to hold them to his standard of belief not to theirs and certainly not respecting what they want to stand for.Not because, after the s
t show shambles that was the ending of last season, a greater emphasis has been put on following all of the rules and following them to the letter as written?Last year was a sh@t show and he had the power to act to put right what went wrong is the last race . He didn't. Drivers are still complaining about wrong penalties so he is not doing anything better than the crooks before.
TypeRTim said:
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
the problem with your analogy is that married people wouldn't be prosecuted for exceeding said speed limit & that would rightly piss a lot of single people offangrymoby said:
TypeRTim said:
The problem is historic lack of enforcement. It's like if in Northamptonshire (just to pick an example) if they suddenly turn the speed cameras back on, you get caught doing 35mph in a 30 zone. The rule has always been 30, you've just gotten used to disobeying it because there were no consequences. You can't complain at breaking a rule that has always been there, just because it is now being enforced....
the problem with your analogy is that married people wouldn't be prosecuted for exceeding said speed limit & that would rightly piss a lot of single people offAFAIK, there are no symbolic piercings in everyday life that deserve such exemptions.
Personally, I take my ring off when I go to the gym, kart or drive on a trackday - same with my watch. But, that's just me.
Regarding Jewellerygate, I’m somewhat concerned about the message it sends and the example it sets for participants lower down the ladder, and in particular youngsters.
Those at the pinnacle of the sport arguing with, second guessing, and taking the piss out of race officials over the interpretation of rules (particularly safety related rules) is not helpful to hard pressed (usually volunteer) officials trying to wrangle a paddock full of junior karters, mini bike racers, schoolboy MXers etc along with their (sometimes overly assertive) parents, and I’d really hope for better from those who (by choice or otherwise) serve as role models...
Those at the pinnacle of the sport arguing with, second guessing, and taking the piss out of race officials over the interpretation of rules (particularly safety related rules) is not helpful to hard pressed (usually volunteer) officials trying to wrangle a paddock full of junior karters, mini bike racers, schoolboy MXers etc along with their (sometimes overly assertive) parents, and I’d really hope for better from those who (by choice or otherwise) serve as role models...
vaud said:
He's asking the rules to be enforced.
He's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
or a rule that hasn't been enforced for about 10+ years is a bad rule ...& should probably be amendedHe's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
& we all know how this will pan out: exemptions for small items that are considered personal, cultural or religious
not sure why the FIA wanted to die on this hill & to do so publicly- but there you go
angrymoby said:
vaud said:
He's asking the rules to be enforced.
He's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
or a rule that hasn't been enforced for about 10+ years is a bad rule ...& should probably be amendedHe's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
& we all know how this will pan out: exemptions for small items that are considered personal, cultural or religious
not sure why the FIA wanted to die on this hill & to do so publicly- but there you go
paulguitar said:
angrymoby said:
vaud said:
He's asking the rules to be enforced.
He's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
or a rule that hasn't been enforced for about 10+ years is a bad rule ...& should probably be amendedHe's not saying don't have a piercing, he's saying don't wear the jewellery whilst racing - per the rules.
Odd that teams/drivers are now getting selective about which rules they want enforced.
& we all know how this will pan out: exemptions for small items that are considered personal, cultural or religious
not sure why the FIA wanted to die on this hill & to do so publicly- but there you go
TypeRTim said:
rscott said:
You've not seen that Gasly and Magnusson aren't happy about it either?
https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3994571...
I had not seen that article. I'm pretty sure that an exemption was made for wedding rings due to the symbolic nature of them from what I recall - open to correction on that one, but I'm sure Russel joked with Hamilton in a presser about getting married to get around wearing jewellery. As for religious purposes, there is nothing in christianity that implores or enforces wearing of a cross, so that is purely personal preference (it definitely isn't something all christians do) and so in my view, subject to the same rules as regular necklaces.https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a3994571...
Like I said, LH is just the most publicised and vocal about it - probably because his are piercings rather than rings and chains. I believe Lewis takes any rings and chains off etc. when racing, just not the piercings. If it's not that much of a safety issue, why doesn't he just keep wearing his rings, chains and watches when racing?
freedman said:
PhilAsia said:
If only that had happened, you might have a point.....Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff