Anyone here bored of F1 at the moment?
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I do love F1 and I always have. I have to say however that something isnt working for me of late. I'm not sure what exactly but it's probably a combination of factors.
I find the use of DRS and KERS as an aid to the racing contrived and artificial. Of course you can overtake another car if you have more power/less drag than the other one, wheres the skill in that? The tyre fiasco is also tedious. A Grand Prix is a sprint race, F1 cars should be all about going flat out from start to finish. Economy runs and tyre preservation is not what I want to see in F1. F1 is, never was and never will be green. Attempts to make it appear so are ridiculous and insulting. The thing that really attracted me to F1 as a child was the spine tingling noise made by the V10 engines in the 90's Next year's leaf blowers are leaving me cold (I hope to be proven wrong on that front) As for attending Grands Prix, it is stupidly over priced. There is little other than the F1 race to keep you entertained and that lasts 90 mins. I've been to Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Monaco and Imola to see F1 races. I passed up the opportunity to go to Spa this year as I couldn't justify spending the money on something that my heart isn't in anymore.
I'm sure that many will disagree with the above and it purely is just my personal feelings.
I find the use of DRS and KERS as an aid to the racing contrived and artificial. Of course you can overtake another car if you have more power/less drag than the other one, wheres the skill in that? The tyre fiasco is also tedious. A Grand Prix is a sprint race, F1 cars should be all about going flat out from start to finish. Economy runs and tyre preservation is not what I want to see in F1. F1 is, never was and never will be green. Attempts to make it appear so are ridiculous and insulting. The thing that really attracted me to F1 as a child was the spine tingling noise made by the V10 engines in the 90's Next year's leaf blowers are leaving me cold (I hope to be proven wrong on that front) As for attending Grands Prix, it is stupidly over priced. There is little other than the F1 race to keep you entertained and that lasts 90 mins. I've been to Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Monaco and Imola to see F1 races. I passed up the opportunity to go to Spa this year as I couldn't justify spending the money on something that my heart isn't in anymore.
I'm sure that many will disagree with the above and it purely is just my personal feelings.
In answer to the title/question: yes. Very. It's as bad now as it was during the Schumacher years. YES you've the likes of Raikonnen, Alonso and Hamiltin racing their guts out, but as soon as Vetell/Red Bull top the free practice timing sheets, you know that's the weekend over.
There're no utterly banzai drivers (i.e. Kobaisahi), the cars don't blow up left, right and centre and there's little "proper" racing (as soon as someone fights back, their opponent's on the radio crying like a baby).
There're no utterly banzai drivers (i.e. Kobaisahi), the cars don't blow up left, right and centre and there's little "proper" racing (as soon as someone fights back, their opponent's on the radio crying like a baby).
If anything I'd say the problem is that the rules are too tight, meaning that they're all trying to find the same optimum (and only Newey seems to have done so). Give them more freedom so the cars are more varied and there'd be better racing, with much more variation between when/where cars are better and worse. Making them fix the whole car design at several points in the season wouldn't hurt either rather than a new aero package per race.
Jimbo. said:
There're no utterly banzai drivers (i.e. Kobaisahi), the cars don't blow up left, right and centre and there's little "proper" racing (as soon as someone fights back, their opponent's on the radio crying like a baby).
Errm Perez & Button ? in fact I seem to remember Bahrain having battles all over the place.Lewis and Alonso battling through the field in Canada ?
Kimi at Monaco after a late stop?
I think there is plenty of close racing going on.
I'm bored of Vettel. I think DRS and Pirelli tyres are aimed at WWF racing for the dumbed down masses.
But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
team underdog said:
I'm bored of Vettel. I think DRS and Pirelli tyres are aimed at WWF racing for the dumbed down masses.
But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
As Porky pointed out so eloquently, we have always had this.But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
Is Vettel too sterile?
Not bored of it, but feeling a little bit fed up I think. Despite all the stuff I know has happened it just feels like an inevitable outcome. I guess this is how others felt about the Schumacher years. The last few seasons have been really good though, it's just easy to forget. This season is no different. I did prefer the format from last decade though. I'd love to see refuelling back personally.
Don't blame RB, blame everybody else for being s
t, to varying degrees of stness.
I do have my doubts about the sport at the moment though, with the falseness of it all getting on my wick. The tyre situation is utterly ludicrous and completely and totally unnecessary, and for me probably represents the lowest point of F1 in it's history.
We don't need chocolate tyres, we don't need false pit stops and we definitely don't need to see cameramen maimed purely in the name of entertainment (because the pit stops are there for no other reason than entertainment). If we feel we must have pit stops for entertainment then just tell the teams they have to use 3 sets of tyres and be done with, but have a minimum time limit so at least the wheels can be fitted properly.
I accept that if aero is to remain dominant then DRS is needed, and at least with KERS it gives the drivers an opportunity to make a difference and use their nous, but we don't need stupid tyres as well.
I think the season has been pretty good overall but is potentially completely ruined by the Disney/Pixar-esque tyre situation.
t, to varying degrees of stness.I do have my doubts about the sport at the moment though, with the falseness of it all getting on my wick. The tyre situation is utterly ludicrous and completely and totally unnecessary, and for me probably represents the lowest point of F1 in it's history.
We don't need chocolate tyres, we don't need false pit stops and we definitely don't need to see cameramen maimed purely in the name of entertainment (because the pit stops are there for no other reason than entertainment). If we feel we must have pit stops for entertainment then just tell the teams they have to use 3 sets of tyres and be done with, but have a minimum time limit so at least the wheels can be fitted properly.
I accept that if aero is to remain dominant then DRS is needed, and at least with KERS it gives the drivers an opportunity to make a difference and use their nous, but we don't need stupid tyres as well.
I think the season has been pretty good overall but is potentially completely ruined by the Disney/Pixar-esque tyre situation.
So, according to this thread F1 is ste because of:
RB dominating
Vettel dominating
Newey being too clever
Aero being too efficient, not allowing close racing
Cars too easy to drive (!)
Everyone bar RB not being good enough.
Tyres
DRS
KERS
Too many races
Too few mechanical failures
Pit stops not affecting the race very much
Pit stops only being there for entertainment
Anything else we'd like to add ?
te because of:RB dominating
Vettel dominating
Newey being too clever
Aero being too efficient, not allowing close racing
Cars too easy to drive (!)
Everyone bar RB not being good enough.
Tyres
DRS
KERS
Too many races
Too few mechanical failures
Pit stops not affecting the race very much
Pit stops only being there for entertainment
Anything else we'd like to add ?
team underdog said:
I'm bored of Vettel. I think DRS and Pirelli tyres are aimed at WWF racing for the dumbed down masses.
But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
Never seen such a high standard of drivers tbh. Even established stars like hamilton & alonso can't put together a run of podiums. Vettel has effectively killed thier careers. I do think that alonso thought he would dominate the sport when shoemaker retired, and hamilton thought similar when he had such a stellar debut. But I still live the sport - we have surely one of the greatest generation of drivers in Ham, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen.
If Other teams were challenging Red Bull more consistently I'm sure we'd all be saying how great it is though !
I too have been watching F1 for some weeks now.
I used to watch with a large group, probably over a dozen, most of us working shifts and such so there was a max of 8 at any one time. Nowadays, though I'm still friends with most, I'm often reduced to watching it alone.
Fair enough, I was the nerd and most of the others came for the fun as much as the racing. But if F1 is reduced in this country to just us nerds then there's a problem.
It is fair to say that my enthusiasm waned during the dreadful Ferrari dominance and to an extent we are back to that level now. Even so, I don't think that's the main problem.
Someone earlier said that there are too many races and I can see his point. GPs used to be an event, something to plan the month around, but with 20 coming up it's a bit like following a football team: miss one match and it doesn't really matter.
It could be that part of the reason is the poor performance of McLaren, but it's never bothered me this much before.
I don't like DRS. Whilst there are many more overtaking manoeuvres, they are so neutral that the excitement is forced. One 'normal' overtake, which still happens, thanks to Raikk and a couple of others, stands out but cars are trimmed and geared to make use of DRS so that makes these other overtakes rarer as the cars are not set up for them, and the drivers would be silly to take such a risk when, one the DRS can be activated, they can do it without problem.
KERS has existed in one form or another, such as extra boost, higher revs, sod the fuel consumption, for some years and, apart from the complexity and the silly hype about it saving the world, I reckon its quite good.
It's still compulsive viewing for me, and probably will continue to be so, but I've heard suggestions that there are no youngsters coming through. Prices might have something to do with it.
Also there is the situation of races being sold to the highest bidder. There seems to be little thought for longevity of the sport. Europe has been its base since forever and to ignore this is rather short-sighted. But then, I think chasing the dollar is what it is all about now.
20 races, not for entertainment value but just to bring the money in.
It was a mistake to have permanent toilets. It's been downhill since them.
I used to watch with a large group, probably over a dozen, most of us working shifts and such so there was a max of 8 at any one time. Nowadays, though I'm still friends with most, I'm often reduced to watching it alone.
Fair enough, I was the nerd and most of the others came for the fun as much as the racing. But if F1 is reduced in this country to just us nerds then there's a problem.
It is fair to say that my enthusiasm waned during the dreadful Ferrari dominance and to an extent we are back to that level now. Even so, I don't think that's the main problem.
Someone earlier said that there are too many races and I can see his point. GPs used to be an event, something to plan the month around, but with 20 coming up it's a bit like following a football team: miss one match and it doesn't really matter.
It could be that part of the reason is the poor performance of McLaren, but it's never bothered me this much before.
I don't like DRS. Whilst there are many more overtaking manoeuvres, they are so neutral that the excitement is forced. One 'normal' overtake, which still happens, thanks to Raikk and a couple of others, stands out but cars are trimmed and geared to make use of DRS so that makes these other overtakes rarer as the cars are not set up for them, and the drivers would be silly to take such a risk when, one the DRS can be activated, they can do it without problem.
KERS has existed in one form or another, such as extra boost, higher revs, sod the fuel consumption, for some years and, apart from the complexity and the silly hype about it saving the world, I reckon its quite good.
It's still compulsive viewing for me, and probably will continue to be so, but I've heard suggestions that there are no youngsters coming through. Prices might have something to do with it.
Also there is the situation of races being sold to the highest bidder. There seems to be little thought for longevity of the sport. Europe has been its base since forever and to ignore this is rather short-sighted. But then, I think chasing the dollar is what it is all about now.
20 races, not for entertainment value but just to bring the money in.
It was a mistake to have permanent toilets. It's been downhill since them.
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