The Official 2015 Canadian Grand Prix thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
The Crack Fox said:
The booze will buckets of partially fermented hops "we're working hard of making it into beer", the food will be sh!tting livestock wandering around "we're working hard on making it into food", the venue will be a building plot "we're working hard on turning it into a building" and the music will be a knackered tambourine and a broken piano "we're working hard on turning it into music". JB will be sulking sat on a log "the team are working hard to turn it into garden furniture", Alonso will be asking anyone who wil listen to him "ees anyone ere a contract lawyer? I need elp to get out of thees sheet" and Ron will be at home in his expensive glass factory, he didn't get his email invitation because the organizer was waiting for a fresh delivery of pixels from Japan.
I hope that McHonda do get it fixed as we want to see good racing, but that did make me chuckle... 
This is what an F1 race feels like to me when I watch it at home now.
And the lights are out and it's go, go, go!
- Three laps of settling down into 2-3 second gaps. Hopefully some racing happens.
- We need to look after the tyres for later in this stint.
- Brake temps are high. Look after the brakes.
- A bit more fuel saving now.
- The tyres are going off, brake temps now okay.
- A bit more lift and coast.
- We're going to need to lower the Delta tyres are critical.
- Push this lap Box, Box, Box!
Rinse and repeat...
And the lights are out and it's go, go, go!
- Three laps of settling down into 2-3 second gaps. Hopefully some racing happens.
- We need to look after the tyres for later in this stint.
- Brake temps are high. Look after the brakes.
- A bit more fuel saving now.
- The tyres are going off, brake temps now okay.
- A bit more lift and coast.
- We're going to need to lower the Delta tyres are critical.
- Push this lap Box, Box, Box!
Rinse and repeat...
I don't think any racing fan could say the race was boring. It was just a shame that Raikkonen had that spin/problem, we could have had a good battle between him and Rosberg and if Vettel was around the front running pack, it would have been a different story. We saw some great overtaking from Massa and Vettel coming through. It was just unfortunate that even Romain 'He hit me!' Grosjean couldn't conjure up a safety car and Pastor was pretty well behaved.
What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their s
tty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic!
If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their s
tty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic! If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
Dr Z said:
I don't think any racing fan could say the race was boring. It was just a shame that Raikkonen had that spin/problem, we could have had a good battle between him and Rosberg and if Vettel was around the front running pack, it would have been a different story. We saw some great overtaking from Massa and Vettel coming through. It was just unfortunate that even Romain 'He hit me!' Grosjean couldn't conjure up a safety car and Pastor was pretty well behaved.
What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their stty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic!
If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
Did you also know that in many stores around the UK they have CCTV cameras that will zoom in on the chip an pin machines? Apparently people will then follow you out and mug you for your credit cards. What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their s
tty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic! If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
A few points;
1) They are the same team therefore they know what each driver is managing
2) Telling the driver what to do to get around a mechanical problem is OK as far as I am aware (and running out of fuel is mechanical)
3) As for Nico's mechanic not telling him Lewis' fuel level I think that is rule related (not sure to be honest).
Other than that the race pretty much sent me to sleep! At least the V8s would keep you awake purely on volume.
Scuffers said:
HustleRussell said:
Lots of criticism for Raikkonnen here but on team radio he suggested there was some kind of power delivery inconsistency.
actually I found Ant's explanation of this very interesting...after the pit-stop the throttle map is the same one used at the start line, apparently they usually trip back to race map in 60 sec's or so, so Kimi arrived at the hairpin with a different throttle map than he had last time round.
Why this is the case, I am sure Ferrari (and others) will be looking at now I guess?
mrs. hairy says kimi sounds like donald duck when he's angry.
The Crack Fox said:
I have a theory about McLarens demise, based on a drunken conversation with a friend who used to work for Ron. I think I'll stick it on my blog when I get a mo. How litigious is he, anyway?
Ron will eulogise a grand vision of sueing you for every penny you, your entire extended family and the village you grew up in have ever had before throwing you in a bottomless pit for a 1,000 years before torching you but he'll be too busy explaining his concept to file the paperwork correctly and you'll get off scot free.Daston said:
Did you also know that in many stores around the UK they have CCTV cameras that will zoom in on the chip an pin machines? Apparently people will then follow you out and mug you for your credit cards.
A few points;
1) They are the same team therefore they know what each driver is managing
2) Telling the driver what to do to get around a mechanical problem is OK as far as I am aware (and running out of fuel is mechanical)
3) As for Nico's mechanic not telling him Lewis' fuel level I think that is rule related (not sure to be honest).
Other than that the race pretty much sent me to sleep! At least the V8s would keep you awake purely on volume.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep in mind. A few points;
1) They are the same team therefore they know what each driver is managing
2) Telling the driver what to do to get around a mechanical problem is OK as far as I am aware (and running out of fuel is mechanical)
3) As for Nico's mechanic not telling him Lewis' fuel level I think that is rule related (not sure to be honest).
Other than that the race pretty much sent me to sleep! At least the V8s would keep you awake purely on volume.
1) Yes, but it has no relevance to the point I made. You cannot claim that you allow both your drivers to race, but in actual fact, you manage their races to the nth degree so that they do not actually end up engaging in battle.
2) Nope, they can only advise him to lift in the braking zones but cannot give detailed info as to exactly when to lift. This is deemed as coaching. I'm sure Uncle Charlie will turn a blind eye to this.
3) I do not see a difference between Lewis given info about his challenger that will help him defend but Nico denied the same type of info that will help him attack. This is not 'allowing them to race'.
Mercedes have lost a lot of credibility, in my eyes.
Be honest, "The Wall of Champions" turned out to be a complete let-down, replaced by a pretty poor substitute "Annoying Kerb of Past Champions".
Nasr didn't read the script properly and turned right into a wall in free practice rather than the race and Maldonado was clearly in a sulk as he didn't hit anything.
No safety cars meant that Mercedes had no chance to completely screw up Lewis's strategy, ergo, complete borefest.
Roll on Silverstone where at least there's a 70% chance of Noah's flood to liven things up.
Nasr didn't read the script properly and turned right into a wall in free practice rather than the race and Maldonado was clearly in a sulk as he didn't hit anything.
No safety cars meant that Mercedes had no chance to completely screw up Lewis's strategy, ergo, complete borefest.
Roll on Silverstone where at least there's a 70% chance of Noah's flood to liven things up.
samvia said:
The main grumble about this race seems to be the general fuel saving/lifting & coasting.
If the TV audience didn't get to hear any radio communications referring to fuel saving, would most casual viewers have even noticed it was going on?
FOM controls what's broadcast, Bernie doesn't like fuel saving so he'll make sure it's heard during the race so everyone knows it's bad for the sport and the teams understand it has to be changed.If the TV audience didn't get to hear any radio communications referring to fuel saving, would most casual viewers have even noticed it was going on?
JonRB said:
moanthebairns said:
Yes, your correct, it was entertaining. Everyone else who got bored, looked at their phone for most of it, or watched it while they ate their tea is wrong.
This is you:
I turned on the TT half an hour later, guys doing the same distance flat out, mm away from walls, over jumps, knee down etc.
lift and coast, f
k sake, that's what I do on a track day when im a) learning the track for the first time
b) to hungover from the night before to go for it
c) shat myself on full throttle the lap before
Anyone who has driven on track will tell you how easy it becomes if you lift and coast. I'm not for a second saying I could drive like these guys, I never will but for guys with talent like this, its essentially like getting out and walking round
Next time your doing a trackday, 50m before where you should be braking, come off the throttle, coast and see how easy it is for you now to make this corner.
F1 is a glorified trackday now. How anyone can watch that race and call it racing is beyond me. The only decent part was the massa tussle, and that lasted 3 corners.
All the other overtakes were done on drs and boring as f
k, who wants to see someone straight-line pass.moanthebairns said:
where can you find specific lap times.
SO If I wanted to know the lap time on the 6th lap or 26th where would these be.
all lap-times are available here (see graph):SO If I wanted to know the lap time on the 6th lap or 26th where would these be.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/06/07/raikkonen-se...
Dr Z said:
I don't think any racing fan could say the race was boring. It was just a shame that Raikkonen had that spin/problem, we could have had a good battle between him and Rosberg and if Vettel was around the front running pack, it would have been a different story. We saw some great overtaking from Massa and Vettel coming through. It was just unfortunate that even Romain 'He hit me!' Grosjean couldn't conjure up a safety car and Pastor was pretty well behaved.
What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their stty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic!
If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
the TRUTH is that hamilton is actually one of the roswell aliens, and has difficulty judging braking distances hence crashing his spaceship in the first place. It all makes sense when you think about it.What really irked me was the farce of a race that was conducted by Mercedes at the front, never allowing Rosberg to battle with Hamilton by their s
tty management tactics. Telling Rosberg to save his brakes for an attack 'at the end' (which never materialises), whilst Hamilton slowly gets a gap which cannot be closed up at the end because the pursuer runs out of tyre grip to mount an attack. Oh and the wonderful driver coaching of Hamilton, telling him to lift 50m earlier. What the fk? The final straw was them telling him exactly what Rosberg is managing (he's ok in fuel but managing brakes), but when Rosberg asks the same info of Hamilton, "can't tell, can't tell". You can tell me all about tin foil hats, but my Bullst meter blew up at that point. Absolutely pathetic! If Ferrari don't sort themselves out soon, I won't be tuning in. Screw this.
MikeyC said:
moanthebairns said:
where can you find specific lap times.
SO If I wanted to know the lap time on the 6th lap or 26th where would these be.
all lap-times are available here (see graph):SO If I wanted to know the lap time on the 6th lap or 26th where would these be.
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/06/07/raikkonen-se...
Hamilton in qualifying
1:14.393
hamiltons fastest race lap
1.17.472
that's 3 seconds off qualifying!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/06/07/raikkonen-se...
look at it after he makes a pit, he's on it for a lap, maybe two.
The rest, management. This is not a sport, its like watching the London marathon, probably alright if you achieve it yourself but f
king god awful to watch.samvia said:
The main grumble about this race seems to be the general fuel saving/lifting & coasting.
If the TV audience didn't get to hear any radio communications referring to fuel saving, would most casual viewers have even noticed it was going on?
no.If the TV audience didn't get to hear any radio communications referring to fuel saving, would most casual viewers have even noticed it was going on?
people are not that daft to realise that Rosburg was making no attempt to get on the back of lewis and challenge for the place.
moanthebairns said:
Thanks for that, so here is the problem
Hamilton in qualifying
1:14.393
hamiltons fastest race lap
1.17.472
that's 3 seconds off qualifying!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/06/07/raikkonen-se...
look at it after he makes a pit, he's on it for a lap, maybe two.
The rest, management. This is not a sport, its like watching the London marathon, probably alright if you achieve it yourself but fking god awful to watch.
even when they had disposable engines and unlimited tyres/fuel there was still a gap. perhaps even moreso with 12 laps & in-the-bin qually engines and one hot lap & bin qually tyres.Hamilton in qualifying
1:14.393
hamiltons fastest race lap
1.17.472
that's 3 seconds off qualifying!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/06/07/raikkonen-se...
look at it after he makes a pit, he's on it for a lap, maybe two.
The rest, management. This is not a sport, its like watching the London marathon, probably alright if you achieve it yourself but f
king god awful to watch.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff