Vettel to replace Alonso at Ferrari
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Kaiser_Wull said:
Really? Did you see him back in his McLaren days? He was pretty much the class of the field back then. He showed DC and JPM a clean pair of heels. His championship year wasn't his best, but he deserved the title on the basis of his efforts in 2003 and 2005.
Say what you like about his manner, but he's never been known to behave in an unethical or unsporting manner nor is he guilty of the puerile PR concious attitude that has infested modern sports.
Quite. Clean racer. No PR BS. No mind games, not inter team clashing. Honest when he screws up or when he isn't fast enough.Say what you like about his manner, but he's never been known to behave in an unethical or unsporting manner nor is he guilty of the puerile PR concious attitude that has infested modern sports.
Kaiser_Wull said:
Say what you like about his manner, but he's never been known to behave in an unethical or unsporting manner nor is he guilty of the puerile PR concious attitude that has infested modern sports.
Quite. Kimi basically doesn't give a s
t, hates corporate PR and hates being interviewed. You only had to see that time on Sky where he turned up to race lawnmowers against Brundle, Davidson and Herbert. He was grinning from ear to ear and was a really good sport. Afterwards Brundle interviewed him, and started off by saying he couldn't believe that Kimi showed up, and he grinned and said it was good fun, then Brundle moved on to the proper interview questions and it was like a door had slammed shut and Kimi was back to the monosyllabic answers. JonRB said:
Quite. Kimi basically doesn't give a st, hates corporate PR and hates being interviewed. You only had to see that time on Sky where he turned up to race lawnmowers against Brundle, Davidson and Herbert. He was grinning from ear to ear and was a really good sport. Afterwards Brundle interviewed him, and started off by saying he couldn't believe that Kimi showed up, and he grinned and said it was good fun, then Brundle moved on to the proper interview questions and it was like a door had slammed shut and Kimi was back to the monosyllabic answers.
It must have been a decade ago, but I recall Brundle talking about the time he spent a day with Kimi. As soon as the cameras and tape recorders were switched off, Brundle said that Kimi became a real chatterbox. Jenson said pretty much the same thing after sharing a flight - and some beers - with Kimi towards the end of the 2012 season. t, hates corporate PR and hates being interviewed. You only had to see that time on Sky where he turned up to race lawnmowers against Brundle, Davidson and Herbert. He was grinning from ear to ear and was a really good sport. Afterwards Brundle interviewed him, and started off by saying he couldn't believe that Kimi showed up, and he grinned and said it was good fun, then Brundle moved on to the proper interview questions and it was like a door had slammed shut and Kimi was back to the monosyllabic answers. Gaz. said:
Which is just ignorance. I'm fully aware some people do not like being interviewed and are deeply uncomfortable when a camera is on them, but Kimi is just plain rude. Kamui didn't like interviews either but he made an effort in a language he barely spoke.
I rarely care about the drivers when they aren't wearing their crash helmet, but I draw the line with people being rude for no reason.
Well, you're entitled to your opinion of course, but I don't agree that he's being rude. I just think that he's not very good at corporate interviews. He answers interview questions, but just not very expansively. He's never rude or dismissive, just not very chatty and doesn't elaborate much. I rarely care about the drivers when they aren't wearing their crash helmet, but I draw the line with people being rude for no reason.
However, I acknowledge that this is just my opinion and interpretation, and is no more (or less) valid than yours.
Smollet said:
I think a one word answer from Kimi usually says a lot more than some long winded PR rubbish spouted by others.
Adrian Newey, designer of the championship-winning Red Bull RB6 and RB7, had this to say about Raikkonen while they were both at McLaren: "Kimi and Mika [Hakkinen] have a similar way of reporting on a car's behaviour. It's economical in terms of vocabulary -- they don't waste words, let's put it that way! -- but the words they do use are very accurate. If Kimi makes a comment about the car, it's worth taking notice of that comment, just as it was with Mika."BBC's pitlane reporter, Ted Kravitz revealed that long after Raikkonen had left McLaren, "McLaren engineers still talk with wonder about Raikkonen's consistent lap times. He was so good, they say, because he would come back to the pits, say what was wrong, they would fix it and he would go out and go faster. Simple."
toppstuff said:
Thats a shame. I think he is one of the most overrated champions of recent years. And his manner isn't cool or funny, its just ignorant and obtuse.
I can understand why some people dislike his manner; it wouldn't hurt him to be a bit more press friendly at times given the amount he gets paid. Having said that IMO he is short and to the point rather than rude. I just like the fact that he himself, he doesn't play the game the way it is supposed to be done. I mean who wouldn't like to just ignore parts of their job they dislike and have people actually admire them for it, rather than getting fired? I can't agree about his performances though, he isn't overrated. This year he has been terrible and perhaps 08 was dodgy too but 2 average seasons in an otherwise great career..... the years at Mclaren, the successes at Ferrari, surprisingly good comeback with Lotus.
He is also one of the guys that can generally race without excessive argy-bargy, doesn't cause friction within the team or attempt to play the media and pretty much holds his hands up when he hasn't done a good enough job. All reasons why he is staying at Ferrari while the more successful driver is being shown the door....
Gaz. said:
VolvoT5 said:
He is also one of the guys that can generally race without excessive argy-bargy, doesn't cause friction within the team or attempt to play the media and pretty much holds his hands up when he hasn't done a good enough job. All reasons why he is staying at Ferrari while the more successful driver is being shown the door....
According to LDM Alonso asked to leave, LDM who knew he was about to be pushed out himself agreed to Alonso resigning.VolvoT5 said:
I can understand why some people dislike his manner; it wouldn't hurt him to be a bit more press friendly at times given the amount he gets paid. Having said that IMO he is short and to the point rather than rude. I just like the fact that he himself, he doesn't play the game the way it is supposed to be done. I mean who wouldn't like to just ignore parts of their job they dislike and have people actually admire them for it, rather than getting fired?
I can't agree about his performances though, he isn't overrated. This year he has been terrible and perhaps 08 was dodgy too but 2 average seasons in an otherwise great career..... the years at Mclaren, the successes at Ferrari, surprisingly good comeback with Lotus.
He is also one of the guys that can generally race without excessive argy-bargy, doesn't cause friction within the team or attempt to play the media and pretty much holds his hands up when he hasn't done a good enough job. All reasons why he is staying at Ferrari while the more successful driver is being shown the door....
Good post, I agree, Kimi is one of the last 'does what it says on the tin' racers I can't agree about his performances though, he isn't overrated. This year he has been terrible and perhaps 08 was dodgy too but 2 average seasons in an otherwise great career..... the years at Mclaren, the successes at Ferrari, surprisingly good comeback with Lotus.
He is also one of the guys that can generally race without excessive argy-bargy, doesn't cause friction within the team or attempt to play the media and pretty much holds his hands up when he hasn't done a good enough job. All reasons why he is staying at Ferrari while the more successful driver is being shown the door....
garycat said:
Speed week reporting that Alonso will join McLaren, but as a Honda employee
http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/65175/Exklus...
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I think this report is a load of rubbish. Ignoring the Alonso contract no-one can easily just get rid of Ron - he owns 25% of the group, holds chairman & CEO of group and exec chairman of Automotive. If Honda bought him out they are buying part of the entire group - why the hell would they want that ? and who would they make CEO/Chairman etc ?http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/65175/Exklus...
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Then they have Berger coming in - at 55. Boullier is 40, Horner the same, Claire Williams is in her 30s, Toto early 40s. If McLaren were going to have a new TP why pick the old guy, who may want to retire in a few years ? Surely they'd take on someone younger.. its 6 or 7 years since Berger was at STR.
If anyone else ends up at McLaren in a TP role it will be with Ron's blessing. He previously said the job is too big for just one person, maybe he'll get someone alongside Boullier (like Lowe & Toto at Merc).
Gaz. said:
Kaiser_Wull said:
I don't buy that. I could understand Alonso wanting to leave Ferrari if he had lined up a better drive for next season, but that seems not to be the case.
LDM has nothing to gain by lying, especially if Mario could contradict him. I don't understand why Vettel left RedBull to a team that has finished behind them for six years running (RBR are only 16 points away from being uncatchable by Ferrari in this year's WCC) but that's what happened.Vettel's reasoning for jumping ship probably has much to do with Adrian Newey and Daniel Ricciardo. The reduction in the former's role with the RBR F1 team might result in them being less competitive in coming seasons and the emergence of the latter seems to have caused Seb's own star to fade at Milton Keynes. On the Ferrari side of the equation, James Allison's 2012 and 2013 cars for Lotus suggested that he might emerge as the next Newey. His input to the 2014 Ferrari was minimal but next season's car will bear his stamp. No doubt money and the lure of driving for Ferrari will also have played their respective parts in persuading Seb to swap the delights of Milton Keynes for those of Maranello. Moreover, it's clear that he didn't jump ship without having a berth elsewhere. Thus far the same cannot be said of Alonso.
A nice round-up of Button's position. Including some actual reporting of a BBC conversation with Button's manager. Seems they'll soon be losing their patience with McLaren.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/button-consi...
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/10/button-consi...
Now that is interesting - Force India can't confirm Hulkenberg until Ferrari announce Vettel: http://www.crash.net/f1/news/209853/1/force-india-...
Even if three car teams were coming where does that leave us ?
Ferrari: Kimi, Vettel and ?
McLaren: Alonso, Button and KMag
RBR: Ricciardo, Kvyat and ?
Why hold out on both existing McLaren drivers ? they could renew at least one ? why can't Vettel be announced now ? If Hulkenberg has a get-out clause with FI that allows him to go to Ferrari why does Vettel being announced at Ferrari solve Force India's problem ?
If you read the Joe Saward piece a page or two back the 3rd car would not score WCC points - why hire a top driver for it ? put a rookie in that you can pay peanuts.
If you can prove you can't afford the third car you don't have to run one, so it'll only be the top teams that can do so, that means the small guys get even worse results.
Then it maight still not give us enough cars to satisfy the FIA contract.
Besides all of this its getting a bit late, Boullier already said some weeks ago that its too late too set up a third car for next year.
Ferrari: Kimi, Vettel and ?
McLaren: Alonso, Button and KMag
RBR: Ricciardo, Kvyat and ?
Why hold out on both existing McLaren drivers ? they could renew at least one ? why can't Vettel be announced now ? If Hulkenberg has a get-out clause with FI that allows him to go to Ferrari why does Vettel being announced at Ferrari solve Force India's problem ?
If you read the Joe Saward piece a page or two back the 3rd car would not score WCC points - why hire a top driver for it ? put a rookie in that you can pay peanuts.
If you can prove you can't afford the third car you don't have to run one, so it'll only be the top teams that can do so, that means the small guys get even worse results.
Then it maight still not give us enough cars to satisfy the FIA contract.
Besides all of this its getting a bit late, Boullier already said some weeks ago that its too late too set up a third car for next year.
suffolk009 said:
I might be reading the situation completely incorrectly.... But every day that passes, I become more convinced that three car teams are about to be announced.
Me too. Maybe that pending decision is what they're waiting for. What possible other reason for the delays and uncertainty?... and who would be the "Faster ... than .... yow" No.1 in three car teams?
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