Why do you hate the electric car
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I am curious to know why folk have such an utter hatred of the whole idea behind the electric car.
Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
I think its the future of the electric car that is hated more than the current electric cars...
We hate to think of the day where all cars are electric and petrol is a long distant memory. The odd shopping trolley with an electric motor is nothing to hate but it is the start of the future of more renewable and boring ways to power a car.
We hate to think of the day where all cars are electric and petrol is a long distant memory. The odd shopping trolley with an electric motor is nothing to hate but it is the start of the future of more renewable and boring ways to power a car.
Because the last gallon of petrol gets pushed further and further beyond the distant horizon.
The electric car is a solution to a non-problem.
ETA
I don't hate them, just don't see the point in them. Internal Combustion, of some type, will be with us for centuries.
The electric car is a solution to a non-problem.
ETA
I don't hate them, just don't see the point in them. Internal Combustion, of some type, will be with us for centuries.
Edited by V88Dicky on Thursday 12th December 13:55
McWigglebum4th said:
I am curious to know why folk have such an utter hatred of the whole idea behind the electric car.
Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
I don't hate electric cars.Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
However I do HATE:
-how they are portrayed as being so green when they aren't.
-how they are so fashionable in most US TV shows and with Hollywoods finest as the current must have (hybrids more so than pure EV's).
-how they are portrayed as being "cheap", when most are nothing more than a rich mans toy.
-how they get cheap VED, parking and other perks when most people buying and using them have more than enough money to not need these incentives.
-how EV is touted as the future by prats who forget that many people don't live in a city and do need to do more than 6 miles a day.
I don't hate em on principle.
I haven't liked most of the implementations so far.
Once there's a decent hybrid hot hatch I'd probably be into having one. I liked both the Kia and Yaris concepts shown off.
I also think hybrid tech could reasonably replace a lot of the unsuitable-diesels Brits drive around town (propelling your nans Micra to the shops being a perfect example).
Very unconvinced by pure electric cars at present because of infrastructure.
I haven't liked most of the implementations so far.
Once there's a decent hybrid hot hatch I'd probably be into having one. I liked both the Kia and Yaris concepts shown off.
I also think hybrid tech could reasonably replace a lot of the unsuitable-diesels Brits drive around town (propelling your nans Micra to the shops being a perfect example).
Very unconvinced by pure electric cars at present because of infrastructure.
Edited by Horse Pop on Thursday 12th December 14:01
McWigglebum4th said:
I am curious to know why folk have such an utter hatred of the whole idea behind the electric car.
Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
It's not the cars that are hated. It's the whole hype over how they are so environmentally friendly, when in reality they aren't - they still use electricity produced from fossil fuels, and their carbon footprint is massive (in particular the battery manufacturing). Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
The facts are that most well-maintained £1k sheds are many times more environmentally friendly, but nobody is allowed to say that...!
The less petrol Dorris uses on the school run, the more is left for me in my turbo nutter mobile. I'm quite happy about other people reducing their usage.
I'm not particularly happy about the constant increase in fuel prices to 'compensate' though. You'd think that with vehicles capable of doing double or triple the MPG of the 1990's we'd have half to one third the fuel cost per mile. But we don't because fuel prices have been racked up in the mean time so that cost per mile remains constant. We're driving around in crappy gutless cars for no eventual financial benefit for ourselves. The benefit has been consumed in taxes and oil company profits.
I'm not particularly happy about the constant increase in fuel prices to 'compensate' though. You'd think that with vehicles capable of doing double or triple the MPG of the 1990's we'd have half to one third the fuel cost per mile. But we don't because fuel prices have been racked up in the mean time so that cost per mile remains constant. We're driving around in crappy gutless cars for no eventual financial benefit for ourselves. The benefit has been consumed in taxes and oil company profits.
calibrax said:
McWigglebum4th said:
I am curious to know why folk have such an utter hatred of the whole idea behind the electric car.
Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
It's not the cars that are hated. It's the whole hype over how they are so environmentally friendly, when in reality they aren't - they still use electricity produced from fossil fuels, and their carbon footprint is massive (in particular the battery manufacturing). Why are they so angry about the idea that some day my crappy little petrol sipping shopping trolley will be replaced by one powered by electrons?
Do they really want the last gallon of petrol in the world to be used taking granny to the shops?
The facts are that most well-maintained £1k sheds are many times more environmentally friendly, but nobody is allowed to say that...!
For example the statement "The facts are that most well-maintained £1k sheds are many times more environmentally friendly" is both highly questionable, and also if you assume it is correct, should lead to the banning of ALL new car sales, no matter what their energy source is, not the halt of EV sales persay......!
300bhp/ton said:
I don't hate electric cars.
However I do HATE:
-how they are portrayed as being so green when they aren't.
-how they are so fashionable in most US TV shows and with Hollywoods finest as the current must have (hybrids more so than pure EV's).
-how they are portrayed as being "cheap", when most are nothing more than a rich mans toy.
-how they get cheap VED, parking and other perks when most people buying and using them have more than enough money to not need these incentives.
-how EV is touted as the future by prats who forget that many people don't live in a city and do need to do more than 6 miles a day.
Pretty much what I think too.However I do HATE:
-how they are portrayed as being so green when they aren't.
-how they are so fashionable in most US TV shows and with Hollywoods finest as the current must have (hybrids more so than pure EV's).
-how they are portrayed as being "cheap", when most are nothing more than a rich mans toy.
-how they get cheap VED, parking and other perks when most people buying and using them have more than enough money to not need these incentives.
-how EV is touted as the future by prats who forget that many people don't live in a city and do need to do more than 6 miles a day.
I dislike them because it's all a fallacy that they're environmentally friendly.
They're not, the exhaust pipe is just a somewhere else, i.e. a power station. The car is still run by the combustion of non-renewable, CO2 producing fuel. Electricity generally, (and I may be wrong here) isn't a high yield energy source, as so much potential energy is lost in production and prior to use.
Hydrogen cars however are genuinely brilliant and the answer. It's a shame that there isn't a bigger movement behind this, but then given the money already invested in electricity generally as an energy source, hardly surprising.
They're not, the exhaust pipe is just a somewhere else, i.e. a power station. The car is still run by the combustion of non-renewable, CO2 producing fuel. Electricity generally, (and I may be wrong here) isn't a high yield energy source, as so much potential energy is lost in production and prior to use.
Hydrogen cars however are genuinely brilliant and the answer. It's a shame that there isn't a bigger movement behind this, but then given the money already invested in electricity generally as an energy source, hardly surprising.
calibrax said:
they still use electricity produced from fossil fuels
If a take-up in renewable energy sources is actioned though then this point is invalid.The interesting thing for EVs is the following:
1) Any complaints regarding where the power comes from can (and will be in time) changed. Currently there is a large fossil fuel dependency because it's dirt cheap.
2) The battery park can be fully upgradeable. There is nothing to stop you buying a car now which is a pure EV, some new battery tech being made available and slotting a new battery pack in exchange for the current one to be recycled.
What's ironic is that the concept is quite wonderful really - immediate torque and the motor will give everything it can generate at any RPM. But the technology which supports it has been completely stagnant for so long. The battery side of things hasn't been especially well thought out in the grand scheme of things and technology is so far behind the vehicle it has to be packaged in it's untrue.
As soon as battery technology actually progresses, I can't see why anyone would have an issue with an EV as far as a car to get around in goes. Range will improve as will the manufacturability (even a word?) of the units in time. Just needs investment.
The ideal situation is that most cars go EV and then performance models could use a synthesised fuel for the "full" motoring experience. Because let's face it, part of the drama with a performance car is the noise. Mind you, in the long long term, thinking on that front will probably change too.
But there will still be those of the "burn it, it's a witch" disposition who probably still have an issue with diesel and describe it as "smelly and unclean" when in fact diesel cars are cleaner emissions-wise than their equivalent petrols at the moment...
300bhp/ton said:
-how EV is touted as the future by prats who forget that many people don't live in a city and do need to do more than 6 miles a day.
How do you know it isn't the future?It might not work for everyone today, but in 10 years time?
People don't like it because it signifies change. People are very emotionally attached to the internal combustion engine and anything that threatnes it's continued existance is going to meet with opposition.
I imagine the same thing happened when steam locomotives were replaced with Diesels.
http://www.railway-technical.com/st-vs-de.shtml
There are a lot of myths and legends about locomotive power and the comparisons between steam and diesel locomotives, which have led to a lot of misconceptions and arguments. Many of these arguments are based on romantic ideas of the beauty of steam and the perceived characterlessness of diesel locomotives.
Sound familiar?
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