Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
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Hogging lane one? 
chrisb92 said:
Devil2575 said:
Almost as annoying and when b
hy little tts like you whine about it on the internet.
Try realising the the world doesn't revolve around you and shut the fk up.
shut your mouth you hy little tts like you whine about it on the internet.Try realising the the world doesn't revolve around you and shut the f
k up. . It's annoying and you know it. most lorry drivers just need to use their nod a bit and wait for a big enough gap to pass. it isn't rocket scienece. more often than not they just bully their way into the fast lane and cause people to brake. which is annoying. I drive on a 2 lane NSL road everyday for a number of miles and it causes such a log tailbackk people like you think they are. 
Devil2575 said:
It causes me a slight delay but why get annoyed about something you can change. The roads are used by everybody and I don't have any more right than anyone else. The idea that lorry overtaking should be banned because it's annoying or out causes a slight delay is arrogance of the highest order. I do sometimes wonder just exactly who the fk people like you think they are.
I'm telling you I find it annoying. I never once asked you to agree, OR whether or not you find it annoying? I was simply answering a question asked on an internet forum, with my honest opinion. k people like you think they are. Now, I don't understand why you find it so hard to comprehend that someone would find that annoying?
STOPchrisb92 said:
Devil2575 said:
It causes me a slight delay but why get annoyed about something you can change. The roads are used by everybody and I don't have any more right than anyone else. The idea that lorry overtaking should be banned because it's annoying or out causes a slight delay is arrogance of the highest order. I do sometimes wonder just exactly who the fk people like you think they are.
I'm telling you I find it annoying. I never once asked you to agree, OR whether or not you find it annoying? I was simply answering a question asked on an internet forum, with my honest opinion. k people like you think they are. Now, I don't understand why you find it so hard to comprehend that someone would find that annoying?
chrisb92 said:
jmorgan said:
No problem then, all above board and legal at 70....... where did you get 62 from?
signed. Bellend who sometimes has to drive a van that the company has fitted a limiter to.
I drive a restricted van too. I just use the lanes properly, as i'm sure you do signed. Bellend who sometimes has to drive a van that the company has fitted a limiter to.
!!!I just think we have to put up the amount of traffic. Since having the larger vans with the 56 (probably 54 according the those with satnavs), just learned to sit back and chill. I drove a bit out in Germany in a van that came under certain rules and where there were restrictions, you just had a long snake of lorries and the old clunker at the front belching smoke like a steam train trying to get 50 and effectively a single carriage way for the cars passing and they were limited by people. Someone doing 57, as they are allowed to, made it interesting at junctions. That was a few years ago now. But try the same here and I reckon that will be the result, two lane carriage ways will effectively become single lane roads.
OT. A colleague was stopped by the German police. Side of the road, he was asked in German something he did not understand. Shrugged shoulders thinking he was going to get away with whatever cos nicht sprechen sie deutsch. Nice policeman wrote in the dirt on the side of the van 140 and put a line through it. Then wrote 80 and put a tick next to it. Then wrote the fine in DM and held his hand out. (pre euro)
chrisb92 said:
Devil2575 said:
It causes me a slight delay but why get annoyed about something you can change. The roads are used by everybody and I don't have any more right than anyone else. The idea that lorry overtaking should be banned because it's annoying or out causes a slight delay is arrogance of the highest order. I do sometimes wonder just exactly who the fk people like you think they are.
I'm telling you I find it annoying. I never once asked you to agree, OR whether or not you find it annoying? I was simply answering a question asked on an internet forum, with my honest opinion. k people like you think they are. Now, I don't understand why you find it so hard to comprehend that someone would find that annoying?
For the most part we're merely exchanging information and opinions here; it's nothing to get seriously worked up about.
Have a nice day folks.
A overtaking ban for Truckists was trialled on some northbound two lane sections of the M11 in Essex a while ago. It was time controlled and intended to keep lane two free of HGVs during the morning and evening rush hour and on the face of it seemed a brilliant idea.
The actual reality was the resulting log jam of lorries driving just a couple of feet apart in lane one made it almost impossible to see roadsigns from lane two and even if you knew where your exit was it was effectively blocked as not many of said Truckists - possibily quite deliberately as a protest against their own lane two restrictions - would open enough of a gap to let vehicles exit the motorway.
The actual reality was the resulting log jam of lorries driving just a couple of feet apart in lane one made it almost impossible to see roadsigns from lane two and even if you knew where your exit was it was effectively blocked as not many of said Truckists - possibily quite deliberately as a protest against their own lane two restrictions - would open enough of a gap to let vehicles exit the motorway.
I haven't read the whole thread, but lorries overtaking one another isn't an issue for me.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
Bennet said:
I rarely drive on the motorway during the week. Driving between Manchester and Birmingham yesterday I was struck by the near constant slowdown of traffic caused by lorries overtaking oneanother with a tiny speed differential. (They also often pull out on you in ways that would quickly result in serious road rage if it were a car.)
For the pecious little time difference this must make to their journey, why is this still allowed? Would banning lorry overtaking cause other problems that arent immediately obvious?
(If a massive crane or a grandma is doing sub 50 mph, I'd still support their requirement to overtake.)
Generally I take the view that as cars are just so much more manoeverable than lorries and in a car it is so immensely easy to make up any time that could be lost to a lorry that this is a non issue. For the pecious little time difference this must make to their journey, why is this still allowed? Would banning lorry overtaking cause other problems that arent immediately obvious?
(If a massive crane or a grandma is doing sub 50 mph, I'd still support their requirement to overtake.)
Add to that the economic importance of lorries arriving to schedule and their inability to make up lost time and I believe they should have a clear priority on the roads.
Have no understanding as to why a car driver would ever get upset at being held up momentarily. Over a whole journey it'll only add up to a few minutes. So why don't the people for whom this emotionally impacts leave on their journey a few minutes earlier?
Maybe this is just a problem for thick people and those self important debt monkeys you see driving cars they know they can't actually afford?
Baz Tench said:
I haven't read the whole thread, but lorries overtaking one another isn't an issue for me.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
Same here. It makes me wonder about the observation skills of those who satay trucks are always "just pulling out into me"...I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
Baz Tench said:
I haven't read the whole thread, but lorries overtaking one another isn't an issue for me.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
Scousefella said:
Baz Tench said:
I haven't read the whole thread, but lorries overtaking one another isn't an issue for me.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
I'm always looking out for them gaining on each other and adopting a certain twitchiness before they pull out, it's part of motorway driving for me.
I always flash them out in advance and find space in L3 for myself, often without having to lift off. It's up to us to be more observant, plus it keeps me alert in an otherwise very boring environment.
Topic usually doesn't let you down with page numbers, or indeed loony numbers......
I think the quote below pretty much sums it up though,
For those that don't think it makes a difference then feel free to pop outside, hop into your car and drive into a wall at 5mph or more sensibly do the maths when it comes to 5mph over 10 hours with a speed restriction and a working time restriction, it does make a difference, a big difference but as usual those who say it doesn't generally have no idea what they are educating the rest of us on.
As for the ban on overtaking? Never going to happen on a 3 lane. What are we meant to do when we come across a driver who is trying to join a motorway at the same speed they left the house, slow down and drop to the 40mph they are comfortable with? Then the truck behind me does the same and so on until a few end up stationary due to being too close, any one with an ounce of common sense knows that this is the beginning of the wave effect that causes most of the mystery traffic jams on motorways and always makes lane 3 slower in heavy traffic, therefore more congestion.............
Whenever I approach a slip road the very first thing I am doing is checking lane 2 for an escape route should I need it, I'm sorry to say the reason I always need to move is car/van drivers ( should be referred to as unrestricted drivers really? ) who don't know how to merge, are going too fast and not looking so have to break to avoid collision, have not looked at all or are going way too slowly for the traffic. That's not car bashing, that's just how it is.
Personally I hate elephant racing, we suffer it when you get a 52 trying to pass a 50, or a loaded stupidly trying to strain past another on a uphill stretch, it's really bloody annoying for all.
I agree there should be PEAK time restrictions on 2 lane stretches and duals but as usual the enforcement would, I suspect, be negligible.
If we are going to have a ban the i would also like to see a minimum speed on motorways of 60mph for non restricted vehicles meaning there would be less cars in lane one.
Also a ban on exiting a motorway after the 300yd sign enforced by cameras, therefore removing the countless times I have to slam on or swerve to avoid the last minute non-indicating swerving heroes, those same cameras also dishing out fines to anyone who stops at the end of an entry slip because they were so effing clueless on joining the motorway, a DD charge for those........bit tongue in cheek but problems that we face but go unseen by car drivers who can't see because of the size of our trucks.
Apologies for going on a bit but there are a lot of comments on here that really show a lack of thought or knowledge, a bit like only being bothered by what's at the end of your bonnet and screw everyone else........
PS. For those who get annoyed about the 40mph on singles, you will be pleased to know that from April this year we can now do 50mph on singles and 60mph on duals. Hope it helps your day however be prepared to be held up by accidents involving utter numpties who think that because it's 50 then it's 50 everywhere up to the point they ditch it, they are usually numpties no matter what they are driving........HTH!!
I think the quote below pretty much sums it up though,
jmorgan said:
Meh. Complainers always gonna complain. When car drivers manage to achieve an ability that actually matches their own perception of themselves, then perhaps debatable.
There are plenty of situations that can lead to me having to pass another HGV, usually it's the speed difference, I am on a 56 limit ( showing 55 on sat nav) and find supermarket trucks doing 50mph, not the 0.1mph or 1.5mph the usually gets trotted out the same as us always banging out the "your life depends on truck deliveries". For those that don't think it makes a difference then feel free to pop outside, hop into your car and drive into a wall at 5mph or more sensibly do the maths when it comes to 5mph over 10 hours with a speed restriction and a working time restriction, it does make a difference, a big difference but as usual those who say it doesn't generally have no idea what they are educating the rest of us on.
As for the ban on overtaking? Never going to happen on a 3 lane. What are we meant to do when we come across a driver who is trying to join a motorway at the same speed they left the house, slow down and drop to the 40mph they are comfortable with? Then the truck behind me does the same and so on until a few end up stationary due to being too close, any one with an ounce of common sense knows that this is the beginning of the wave effect that causes most of the mystery traffic jams on motorways and always makes lane 3 slower in heavy traffic, therefore more congestion.............
Whenever I approach a slip road the very first thing I am doing is checking lane 2 for an escape route should I need it, I'm sorry to say the reason I always need to move is car/van drivers ( should be referred to as unrestricted drivers really? ) who don't know how to merge, are going too fast and not looking so have to break to avoid collision, have not looked at all or are going way too slowly for the traffic. That's not car bashing, that's just how it is.
Personally I hate elephant racing, we suffer it when you get a 52 trying to pass a 50, or a loaded stupidly trying to strain past another on a uphill stretch, it's really bloody annoying for all.
I agree there should be PEAK time restrictions on 2 lane stretches and duals but as usual the enforcement would, I suspect, be negligible.
If we are going to have a ban the i would also like to see a minimum speed on motorways of 60mph for non restricted vehicles meaning there would be less cars in lane one.
Also a ban on exiting a motorway after the 300yd sign enforced by cameras, therefore removing the countless times I have to slam on or swerve to avoid the last minute non-indicating swerving heroes, those same cameras also dishing out fines to anyone who stops at the end of an entry slip because they were so effing clueless on joining the motorway, a DD charge for those........bit tongue in cheek but problems that we face but go unseen by car drivers who can't see because of the size of our trucks.
Apologies for going on a bit but there are a lot of comments on here that really show a lack of thought or knowledge, a bit like only being bothered by what's at the end of your bonnet and screw everyone else........
PS. For those who get annoyed about the 40mph on singles, you will be pleased to know that from April this year we can now do 50mph on singles and 60mph on duals. Hope it helps your day however be prepared to be held up by accidents involving utter numpties who think that because it's 50 then it's 50 everywhere up to the point they ditch it, they are usually numpties no matter what they are driving........HTH!!
Devil2575 said:
Almost as annoying and when bhy little tts like you whine about it on the internet.
Try realising the the world doesn't revolve around you and shut the fk up.
Another childish abusive post to add to your growing list, Devil; this is becoming something of a habit for you, isn't it?hy little tts like you whine about it on the internet.Try realising the the world doesn't revolve around you and shut the f
k up. I'ts an emotive topic.
Inescapably, most car drivers vociferously airing their opinions know very little about the topic and their calls come from a position of entitlement and self-importance, rather than knowledge and understanding.
I can guarantee any car drivers learning to drive an HGV, an epiphany.
Inescapably, most car drivers vociferously airing their opinions know very little about the topic and their calls come from a position of entitlement and self-importance, rather than knowledge and understanding.
I can guarantee any car drivers learning to drive an HGV, an epiphany.
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