ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
bad company said:
braddo said:
As much as I like TVRs, they are dirty polluters. If every car and van in greater London were as dirty, air pollution would be much worse than it is now. It's not unfair that higher polluting cars should be 'disincentivised' so that their use is curtailed. That isn't a blatant money grab.
I'm reminded of the benefits when an old petrol or diesel car goes past me on the street because their fumes are surprisingly noticeable. It's quite a shock to think all cars and vans were polluting like that 20 years ago.
But when it gets to 40 years old it’ll become clean. I'm reminded of the benefits when an old petrol or diesel car goes past me on the street because their fumes are surprisingly noticeable. It's quite a shock to think all cars and vans were polluting like that 20 years ago.
The TVR is actually a very good example. On paper it is a very polluting vehicle but as braddo says, the issue is if every car and van in Greater London were as dirty. But they are. A brand new, wholly compliant ICE that's used every day for commuting is very obviously much dirtier than a classic car used once in a while within the zone.
And just think about vans, those workhorses that keep London functioning. Coming in every day and moving around all day while also being a major contributor to congestion, the core driver of vehicle related pollution.
It serves to highlight very well the utter farce of the current ULEZ criteria and why it was chosen.
braddo said:
bad company said:
But when it gets to 40 years old it’ll become clean.
The number of 40+ year old cars that drive in London is very, very small, so we should be grateful for a bit of pragmatism that still allows classics on the roads. I wouldn't like to bet how many TVRs will be on the roads in 2042...
DonkeyApple said:
It serves to highlight very well the utter farce of the current ULEZ criteria and why it was chosen.
They needed to start somewhere though? You're proposing a congestion/usage charge to reduce vehicle use and pollution but as much as that's a laudable aim it's an impossibility for now. The focus in the first place is on vehicle emissions per mile, i.e. have cleaner vehicles but with no limits on use. Hence a TVR isn't exempt. But importantly, it's not banned, so the cost for occasional use is still low.
bad company said:
The number of TVR’s or other modern classics driving in London is also very, very small.
Sure, but legislating for that looks completely unfair - having exemptions for sports cars and modern classics, while making people with old everyday diesel and petrol cars pay the charge.Having a number of exempt days also adds a lot of cost to administering the scheme, because then an inventory of daily trips for every reg plate has to be managed.
Driving your TVR once a fortnight through the year would cost around £300 per year or £25 per month. That is a pittance in the scheme of owning that car. Set up autopay and enjoy your car.
braddo said:
Driving your TVR once a fortnight through the year would cost around £300 per year or £25 per month. That is a pittance in the scheme of owning that car. Set up autopay and enjoy your car.
That’ll be the autopay that charged me for driving my BMW in London while I was in the USA. I asked for photographic evidence, below are photos of my car and the evidence supplied by TFL.
ashleyman said:
bad company said:
How does that work then!Just caught the end of a news article on the radio saying that London has been found to be the No 1 congested city ….. again
Not sure what other cities where part of the investigation or who conducted it but given that congestion is the biggest contributor to poor air quality I expect mayor Khan and TFL to be taking immediate steps to address this in their relentless drive to reduce the 1000’s of deaths caused by pollution in the capital . I’m sure we’ll get a statement later today
Not sure what other cities where part of the investigation or who conducted it but given that congestion is the biggest contributor to poor air quality I expect mayor Khan and TFL to be taking immediate steps to address this in their relentless drive to reduce the 1000’s of deaths caused by pollution in the capital . I’m sure we’ll get a statement later today
It’s the annual TomTom survey - according to TfL it’s completely irrelevant because, err, it measures traffic speeds in the central 5km radius of a city.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/slowest-cit...
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/slowest-cit...
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