Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done

[Killboy]

cb1965 said:

Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.

And surprise surprise, another "problem that needs solving" cycle thread by you, now using your 12 year old as empirical evidence of some massive issue to further some agenda.

Here some published stats: "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place. For child cyclists,
90% of their accidents occur during the day. The most dangerous hours for cyclists are 3.00 to 6.00 p.m. and
8.00 to 9.00 a.m. on weekdays".

Yes, something needs to be done.

The saddest part about this is it seems you are wearing off on a 12 year old. Shame, she is probably barred from ever living in London and cycling to work.

[anonymous-user]

Killboy said:

cb1965 said:

Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.

And surprise surprise, another "problem that needs solving" cycle thread by you, now using your 12 year old as empirical evidence of some massive issue to further some agenda.

Here some published stats: "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place. For child cyclists,
90% of their accidents occur during the day. The most dangerous hours for cyclists are 3.00 to 6.00 p.m. and
8.00 to 9.00 a.m. on weekdays".

Yes, something needs to be done.

The saddest part about this is it seems you are wearing off on a 12 year old. Shame, she is probably barred from ever living in London and cycling to work.

Another who can't read, she's not my 12 year old.

Oh and she cycles everywhere.

BTW you do realise that "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place" kind of explains itself don't you? Honestly, I despair at how basic logic seems to evade some of you!

[giantdefy]

cb1965 said:

Oh and she cycles everywhere.

No she doesn't, some of the time she rides in a car with her mum counting cyclists.

[Funk]

Ilovejapcrap said:

They stickers ?

Where can I get them

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[anonymous-user]

DoubleD - no. I think lights, hi-viz and helmets should be mandatory at all times. But tbh, there’s a lot of people out there either too stupid to see or too busy on their phones to notice cars and buses, never mind cyclists.

[DoubleD]

Thornaby said:

DoubleD - no. I think lights, hi-viz and helmets should be mandatory at all times. But tbh, there’s a lot of people out there either too stupid to see or too busy on their phones to notice cars and buses, never mind cyclists.

Thats why its even more important that you are brightly lit when on a bicycle.

[Killboy]

cb1965 said:

Another who can't read, she's not my 12 year old.

Oh and she cycles everywhere.

BTW you do realise that "Around 80% of cycling accidents occur in daylight - which is when most cycling takes place" kind of explains itself don't you? Honestly, I despair at how basic logic seems to evade some of you!

Do you have any stats for this crisis of yours? Maybe numberplates will solve the issue.

[anonymous-user]

cb1965 said:

No, it's pathetic really isn't it. It seems that some people on here just don't think cyclists should be responsible for their own safety and then seem to get unreasonably angry about it and start hurling the insults around. Oh well if I'm cretinous for wanting to not kill a cyclist because I can't see them due to their choice to ride with no lights or hi-vis clothing then fine, I can live with that.

You don’t give a toss about cyclists, how many times have you posted a load of tripe related to cycling with this agenda of yours. We know it all stems back to ‘when I lived in London’, fascinating stuff, let alone that horrible accident which was all the cyclists fault, but you’ve never actually shared evidence and removed all your posts when the the thread left you nowhere to go.

You’ve campaigned for speed bumps in your road, called cyclists every name under the sun but want your ‘safety’ thread taken seriously?

Bit late for that. Anti cycling troll. That’s the beginning and end of it.

[castex]

Cyclists own the road.
They just do.
Don't like it? Get on your bike.

[Steve91]

I used to ride to work until I was knocked off and tore my ankle ligaments a couple of months back. It was during the day, I was wearing bright clothing and I had a cheap light on as a daytime light (I have a much brighter light for night riding) and STILL I wasn't seen.

Don't get me wrong, I find it stupid that people ride at night without lights, but the problem is much deeper than throwing a light on a bike. Threads like this reinforce the feeling that I'm not welcome on the road on my bike, no matter what I do.

For the record, I drive (probably pay more VED that your average driver) and I'm insured on my bike, in case someone throws that at me.

[DoubleD]

Steve91 said:

I used to ride to work until I was knocked off and tore my ankle ligaments a couple of months back. It was during the day, I was wearing bright clothing and I had a cheap light on as a daytime light (I have a much brighter light for night riding) and STILL I wasn't seen.

Don't get me wrong, I find it stupid that people ride at night without lights, but the problem is much deeper than throwing a light on a bike. Threads like this reinforce the feeling that I'm not welcome on the road on my bike, no matter what I do.

For the record, I drive (probably pay more VED that your average driver) and I'm insured on my bike, in case someone throws that at me.

Accidents/idiots will always happen. The trick is to reduce the chance of it happening.

[Steve91]

DoubleD said:

Accidents/idiots will always happen. The trick is to reduce the chance of it happening.

Absolutely. Just winds me up how the blame automatically goes on the cyclist. I had plenty of comments that I'd probably jumped a red light or was going too fast - neither of which were true.

[gazza285]

cb1965 said:

Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.

I cycle. I'm sure you have mentioned that you cycle as well. I do many more miles in a motor vehicle than I ride, but I am a cyclist.

As I am a cyclist, what exactly do you want me to do about someone on a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where you live? I can't do anything about someone riding a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where I live. I can't do anything about people driving on bald tyres, I can't do anything about red light runners, be they cycling or driving, I can't do anything about people driving with defective headlights, I can't do anything about people driving without their lights on when it's dark. All these things are against the law already.

I can't do anything about other cyclists riding in the middle of the road, holding people up, either with cause or without. I can't do anything about fking road tax, or fat blokes in lycra, or open exhausts, or close passes, or pedestrians, or cyclists without hi-vis, or horse riders, or "peletons", or Strava wkers, or myopic drivers, or people who open doors in front of cyclists/motorcyclists/cars/buses/any other form of vehicle/runners on the pavement.

So how about a bit of personal responsibility? As a cyclist I am not responsible for other cyclists behaviour, so I'm not part of "your mob" or any other mob, I am only responsible for myself.

As for your original point, cycling without lights and reflectors after dark is against the law, so why don't you become a responsible citizen and report them to the police? Let them deal with it.

[anonymous-user]

gazza285 said:

cb1965 said:

Surprise, surprise the usual suspects are post failing attempts and sarcasm and denying it happens on any significant level while metaphorically patting each other on the back as ever. What a pity, given they're so proud of the fact they cycle, that they don't take what so many others, including some other cyclists, see as a problem seriously, but the then it's these sort of uncaring selfish attitudes from so many that leads us to the situation we see today and not just as far as cycling in the dark with no lights goes either.

I cycle. I'm sure you have mentioned that you cycle as well. I do many more miles in a motor vehicle than I ride, but I am a cyclist.

As I am a cyclist, what exactly do you want me to do about someone on a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where you live? I can't do anything about someone riding a bicycle without lights in the vicinity of where I live. I can't do anything about people driving on bald tyres, I can't do anything about red light runners, be they cycling or driving, I can't do anything about people driving with defective headlights, I can't do anything about people driving without their lights on when it's dark. All these things are against the law already.

I can't do anything about other cyclists riding in the middle of the road, holding people up, either with cause or without. I can't do anything about fking road tax, or fat blokes in lycra, or open exhausts, or close passes, or pedestrians, or cyclists without hi-vis, or horse riders, or "peletons", or Strava wkers, or myopic drivers, or people who open doors in front of cyclists/motorcyclists/cars/buses/any other form of vehicle/runners on the pavement.

So how about a bit of personal responsibility? As a cyclist I am not responsible for other cyclists behaviour, so I'm not part of "your mob" or any other mob, I am only responsible for myself.

As for your original point, cycling without lights and reflectors after dark is against the law, so why don't you become a responsible citizen and report them to the police? Let them deal with it.

Calm down for goodness sake.

Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.

Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.

[80sMatchbox]

cb1965 said:

MDUBZ said:

the OPs post didn't seem that unreasonable tbh

No, it's pathetic really isn't it. It seems that some people on here just don't think cyclists should be responsible for their own safety and then seem to get unreasonably angry about it and start hurling the insults around. They also don't understand what a generalisation is. Oh well if I'm cretinous for wanting to not kill a cyclist because I can't see them due to their choice to ride with no lights or hi-vis clothing then fine, I can live with that.

Your 12 year old step daughter managed to see every single cyclist on the road whether they had a light or not, and yet you claim that you might kill one as you might not see them?

When last did you have an eye test? Maybe get her to drive next time, she seems a much better driver than you, from what you've said.

[80sMatchbox]

MiseryStreak said:

I consider myself to be a petrolhead but a cyclist first and foremost. I love cycling and if I go more than a few days without riding I feel depressed. I and every single one of my cycling friends (almost all of whom are also into cars - fancy that) think that riding without lights and through red lights is utterly moronic. I see both every day and I always make my feelings known if I get the chance.

For every moron on a bicycle though, there are fifty driving cars/vans. Because you can’t overtake them in a car you’re not witness to all the moronic things they do. When you’re cycling it just feels like you’re completely surrounded by fkwits. Pedestrians are possibly the worst of all, stepping out into the road without looking because they haven’t heard a car.

And cats, don’t get me started on those suicidal little s.

Attrition, that’s the only comfort.

Are you me? I can relate to this 100 percent.

[gazza285]

cb1965 said:

Calm down for goodness sake.

Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.

Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.

Perfectly calm thanks.

They already know it's dangerous, but they are lacking in any sort of self awareness of what is going on around them to realise it applies to themselves. See also most drivers for this phenomenon.

There are too many idiots in the gene pool already.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but your generalisation of the cycling community grates sometimes, we are not all created equal.

[anonymous-user]

80sMatchbox said:

cb1965 said:

MDUBZ said:

the OPs post didn't seem that unreasonable tbh

No, it's pathetic really isn't it. It seems that some people on here just don't think cyclists should be responsible for their own safety and then seem to get unreasonably angry about it and start hurling the insults around. They also don't understand what a generalisation is. Oh well if I'm cretinous for wanting to not kill a cyclist because I can't see them due to their choice to ride with no lights or hi-vis clothing then fine, I can live with that.

Your 12 year old step daughter managed to see every single cyclist on the road whether they had a light or not, and yet you claim that you might kill one as you might not see them?

When last did you have an eye test? Maybe get her to drive next time, she seems a much better driver than you, from what you've said.

Are you really saying that if I can't see them it's my fault and you can judge my driving from a post on the Internet? I think probably not and suspect you're only trying to get a rise as usual, but just in case you are that daft you might want to realise that seeing a cyclist with no lights/hi-vis in a well lit dry night time street might be easy whereas seeing them on a dark wet back road might be less so. Hope that helps!

PS not my step daughter, the assumptions on here are quite amusing.

[anonymous-user]

gazza285 said:

cb1965 said:

Calm down for goodness sake.

Firstly it wasn't aimed at you and all I was saying is that it might be nice if those taking the piss would actually take the issue seriously. I wasn't advocating they could do anything, but the first solution to any problem is accepting there is a problem.

Secondly how do I report them? "Hi there Mr. Policeman, I've just seen a cyclist with no lights? I don't know his name or what he looks like as it was dark, but if you could sort him out that would be great" And no I'm not about to start banging on about numberplates, but.... you can see that reporting them is just not going to work. They need education frankly.... how they can't realise that it's a dumb thing to do solely from a self preservation perspective concerns me for the gene pool situation as much as anything. How they get that education is the question I guess.

Perfectly calm thanks.

They already know it's dangerous, but they are lacking in any sort of self awareness of what is going on around them to realise it applies to themselves. See also most drivers for this phenomenon.

There are too many idiots in the gene pool already.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, but your generalisation of the cycling community grates sometimes, we are not all created equal.

Fair enough, but I really don't generalise about all cyclists, I think it might feel like that as I do tend to give as good as I get when things kick off in here, but my complaint is with those that behave like idiots just as it is with drivers in the same boat. I think, as an occasional cyclist myself, I am just genuinely astounded at how little self preservation some of them seem to exhibit. My biggest complaint on the lights front is that I really couldn't imagine how I'd feel if I hit one... I know others on here have said it wouldn't bother them if they were in the right, but it would me.... a lot. I was trying to work it out the other day, but I reckon I've driven close to 1.5 million miles in my life and I've been very lucky to only have had one accident and that was at the hands of a drunk driver... I've never hit a pedestrian or a cyclist .... I really don't want to start now.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 11th November 03:17

[swisstoni]

eAyeAddio said:

No discussion. No debate. No pleading.

No police.