End of petrol and hybrid

End of petrol and hybrid

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jamoor

14,506 posts

221 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Miserablegit said:
I see Boris is now including hybrid vehicles in his plans to remove petrol vehicles from sale from 2035. There is to be a consultation but we all know consultations are a waste of time as the politicians do what they like anyway based on whatever is popular at that time.

After an EV owner said their car was scrap after 8 years I looked at battery warranties. Tesla give a warranty for 150,000 miles or 8 years. That effectively means a Tesla will be scrap after 8 years does it not?

Not particularly green. Ok for emissions at point of use.
How long does BMW, Mercedes, Audi warrant their cars for and they aren't scrap after the warranty periods?

That aside battery costs are falling with time...

otolith

58,722 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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The denial is breath taking.



This is where we are going.

It has been utterly obvious that this is where we are going for ages now.

But but but but power stations lithium mines cobalt hydrogen terraced houses cables over pavements 500 miles a day batteries dead in 8 years wah wah wah - just shut the fk up.

You don't have to like it, I certainly don't, but in the medium to long term we are not going to be allowed to drive ICE cars. The writing is on the wall. We are either going to make electric cars work for our circumstances, or we are going to change our circumstances, or we are going to get the bus.

aeropilot

36,350 posts

233 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Reciprocating mass said:
Fun in Ev,s by the time everybody is forced into ev cars
You won’t even be able to drive anymore, it will be all automated to remove humans from the process which is exactly what the powers to be want, it’s the last health and safety takedown that they have been craving for some time, by the time ev is all you can buy new I will be at the minimum 65 so by then I really won’t give a fig i will of had the best of ragging around in petrol lovely’s and I’ll be more concerned about when the nurse is coming round to wipe my arse
This.

With a planet population of over 10bn by then if not more, more and more restrictions on freedoms of the population will need to be in place.

And by 2035, I'll be well into my 70's so like you other than maybe charging up my mobility scooter, I'll also be more concerned about the nurse visits as well.
If I'm really lucky, I might still be able to annoy the fk out of enviromentalists by burning the skins on the '32........as long as Coker keep making bias ply vintage tyres and I can afford to buy them on my pension smile

HealeyV8

431 posts

84 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Generally the high (over) priced classics are bought for speculation and don't get driven much any way. So apart from maybe losing money won't affect those owners anyway.

Rich Boy Spanner

1,493 posts

136 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Reciprocating mass said:
fear of change lol more like lack of interest
This.

Every car I get (I am a bit limited as I have to have a company car) costs less then the previous one, has less options, if any, never even gets washed. Our private car the wife drives about in has been here for 12.5 years. Why? Total lack of interest in buying anything. There is almost nothing I find interesting on sale in the UK. Modern cars are more reliable, safer, and about as interesting as my toaster. The last thing I enjoyed was a V8 Tahoe in the US, because it sounded epic and was amazing in the snow.

Electric car? Even less interesting, and will spend even less money on it. Yes I will end up having one, but probably won't even notice who it is made by.

SCEtoAUX

4,119 posts

87 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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This is nothing to do with saving the planet, nothing to do with pollution.

It's all about control, surveillance, monitoring and road pricing.

Slowly but surely, as is already happening, further legislation on what has to be included in new cars will be rolled out.

I am absolutely certain that by 2050 all new cars in the UK will have to have to have GPS and a mobile data connection fitted, and the car will be enabled by an electronic driving licence. It will also have to be enabled electronically by DVLA. It will be 100% trackable, speed limits will be electronically enforced, road pricing will be the norm.

They rich and powerful hate the freedom that cars bring, and the clean air argument is the way they'll use to curtail that freedom.

Tin foil hat? Maybe, but I don't think so.

Pvapour

8,981 posts

259 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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df76 said:
MC Bodge said:
I detect fear of change.
With bells on.
Ditto

Failure to see that play and fun will still be possible in both, petrol at events hooning, evs watching a film while it whisks you to your destination or sleeping overnight and waking in you sunny destination, loads of variations between now and then that will be exciting.

Petulant kids spring to mind.

Wacky Racer

38,919 posts

253 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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I have a copy of "The AA Book of the car" from around 1968.

It says the "economical" life of an average new car is eight years.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

204 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Fatball said:
Until something matches the range, price and size of our used 520d then we won’t be buying anything electric. The stopping to charge at some point and in some instances twice just isn’t practical.

However, we run two cars. The 5 which we’ve put 70k on so far and a second car that I tend to change a lot. Mostly sheds but they are used for the kids, dog, stuff to the tip and local stuff along with the odd 40 mile round trip to work. At the moment we have a Lexus rx300 and it’s previously been a focus estate, Audi allroad etc.... so this is something we could swap for an EV but again, it would have to be an estate and mostly available for shed money.

I’d love to change jobs and us be able to run one EV that did everything for us and looking at the way things have advanced that may be possible in 15 years time.

When we do all switch to EV I’d like to think that I keep a combustion engine vehicle as I doubt I’ll be able to let go. That along with a 2 stroke motorbike to stick it to the man smile
Moot point but it’s odd you seem to buy bangers for the dog and family transport whilst much newer for yourself.

Surely you want the safest vehicle possible is newer taking your cherubs about not just yourself eh...

Fittster

20,120 posts

219 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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HealeyV8 said:
Generally the high (over) priced classics are bought for speculation and don't get driven much any way. So apart from maybe losing money won't affect those owners anyway.
If you have bought a car purely as an investment and it's value goes down, that will be a negative affect.

I don't see a problem for the elite level stuff, you'll still be able to trailer your Bugatti type 35 to shows / hill climbs and you probably didn't do many road miles in it anyway.

But for the more modern stuff, which can still be 100K+ (e.g. air-cooled Porsches) if taking it out for a weekend drive because a major bureaucratic and logistical exercise I can see prices taking a significant hit.

Maybe everything in the classic scene will continue much as it does today but I wouldn't want to have a significant proportion of my wealth tied up in a classic until the future becomes clearer.

Reciprocating mass

6,038 posts

247 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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It’s a bit like when I have guests and they can’t get there head around the fact my tv is the size of an I pad
And sits on a nice glass stand in the corner hehe

otolith

58,722 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Fittster said:
I wouldn't want to have a significant proportion of my wealth tied up in a classic until the future becomes clearer.
Nor in property which lacks private charging options.

essayer

9,541 posts

200 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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We've got one EV now, once our diesel's lease is up we'll add a second.

2035? No problem.

Dave Hedgehog

14,679 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Wacky Racer said:
I have a copy of "The AA Book of the car" from around 1968.

It says the "economical" life of an average new car is eight years.
avg i believe is 12-13 now

rjg48

2,671 posts

67 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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MC Bodge said:
I detect fear of change.
Not fear of change.

Charging a car at home is not possible for millions of Londoners, for one.


Hoofy

77,445 posts

288 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Isn't it just new cars?

Under the proposals, you will still be able to buy secondhand cars so petrol stations will still exist as will car parts supplies. It's not like non-EVs will be banned from the roads.

It's a shame they're going for hybrids, too, because they seem a right balance for people at the moment. I CBA dealing with an EV.

greenarrow

3,915 posts

123 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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I really don't know why so ,many people are so angsty about something that is 15 years away.

Just get on with enjoying your life (and car). Its not like petrols and diesels are being banned from next year.

Fittster

20,120 posts

219 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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rjg48 said:
MC Bodge said:
I detect fear of change.
Not fear of change.

Charging a car at home is not possible for millions of Londoners, for one.
Do the millions of Londoner who can't charge a car at home currently own cars?

London has very different transport needs to the rest of the country.

Dave Hedgehog

14,679 posts

210 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Hoofy said:
It's a shame they're going for hybrids, too, because they seem a right balance for people at the moment. I CBA dealing with an EV.
they still burn fossil fuels, sticking with your old car is probably more eco

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

60 months

Tuesday 4th February 2020
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Wacky Racer said:
I have a copy of "The AA Book of the car" from around 1968.

It says the "economical" life of an average new car is eight years.
When they were made of old baked bean tin/steel and they did not underseal protect the metal they were made from.
Body work on cars made from the mid 90's on can be in superb condition.
There is no real reason (with care) that any car can last 20-50 years if it is designed to do so.


Edited by Dont like rolls on Tuesday 4th February 10:34