Brake want to ban hands free phones
Discussion
R0G said:
Evil.soup said:
With all the distractions that face me on the average drive I would put taking a hands free call quite low on the list.
Above this would be my 5 year old playing "I like to move it move it" on repeat over and over insisting that it be played at volume 28 no matter how many times I turn it down to 16.
The juice box that has been knocked onto the centre console and is slowly leaking purple liquid into my little loose change tray.
The stupidly shallow cup holders that from time to time allow the bottle I have placed in it to fall into the foot well.
Trying to find a radio station that doesn't have advertisements playing rather than music.
Following the instructions of the sat nav that insists I can turn left the wrong way into a one way system ahead and encourages me to "turn around where possible" when I don't agree with her.
The person that insists on driving past queuing traffic and trying to cut in at the last second causing all sorts of enraged reactions from other road users rather than simply wait your turn!
When I am driving in rush hour traffic with 50 cars ahead of me in the same lane doing 45 in a 70 and the clown behind me that thinks I will get out of his way if he drives on my bumper just so that he can move 10 yards closer to his destination. Futile my friend.
Other road users generally, if they were banned my journey would certainly be much safer.
Pealing and eating an orange while driving, now that’s distracting.
Taking a hands free call is positively relaxing compared with what a normal commute throws at you!!
Many of those distractions are by your choosing so can be sorted by youAbove this would be my 5 year old playing "I like to move it move it" on repeat over and over insisting that it be played at volume 28 no matter how many times I turn it down to 16.
The juice box that has been knocked onto the centre console and is slowly leaking purple liquid into my little loose change tray.
The stupidly shallow cup holders that from time to time allow the bottle I have placed in it to fall into the foot well.
Trying to find a radio station that doesn't have advertisements playing rather than music.
Following the instructions of the sat nav that insists I can turn left the wrong way into a one way system ahead and encourages me to "turn around where possible" when I don't agree with her.
The person that insists on driving past queuing traffic and trying to cut in at the last second causing all sorts of enraged reactions from other road users rather than simply wait your turn!
When I am driving in rush hour traffic with 50 cars ahead of me in the same lane doing 45 in a 70 and the clown behind me that thinks I will get out of his way if he drives on my bumper just so that he can move 10 yards closer to his destination. Futile my friend.
Other road users generally, if they were banned my journey would certainly be much safer.
Pealing and eating an orange while driving, now that’s distracting.
Taking a hands free call is positively relaxing compared with what a normal commute throws at you!!
Indeed i could choose to leave my son at home, or choose not to allow him to drink while in the car regardless of the journey length, or choose to use one of those drink cup helmets rather than the cup holders, or choose to remove the radio and choose to drive home at 9pm and choose to use a map rather than satnav. However, what i choose is the same as everyone does and thats the most convenient option in most cases.
R0G said:
Evil.soup said:
With all the distractions that face me on the average drive I would put taking a hands free call quite low on the list.
Above this would be my 5 year old playing "I like to move it move it" on repeat over and over insisting that it be played at volume 28 no matter how many times I turn it down to 16.
The juice box that has been knocked onto the centre console and is slowly leaking purple liquid into my little loose change tray.
The stupidly shallow cup holders that from time to time allow the bottle I have placed in it to fall into the foot well.
Trying to find a radio station that doesn't have advertisements playing rather than music.
Following the instructions of the sat nav that insists I can turn left the wrong way into a one way system ahead and encourages me to "turn around where possible" when I don't agree with her.
The person that insists on driving past queuing traffic and trying to cut in at the last second causing all sorts of enraged reactions from other road users rather than simply wait your turn!
When I am driving in rush hour traffic with 50 cars ahead of me in the same lane doing 45 in a 70 and the clown behind me that thinks I will get out of his way if he drives on my bumper just so that he can move 10 yards closer to his destination. Futile my friend.
Other road users generally, if they were banned my journey would certainly be much safer.
Pealing and eating an orange while driving, now that’s distracting.
Taking a hands free call is positively relaxing compared with what a normal commute throws at you!!
Many of those distractions are by your choosing so can be sorted by youAbove this would be my 5 year old playing "I like to move it move it" on repeat over and over insisting that it be played at volume 28 no matter how many times I turn it down to 16.
The juice box that has been knocked onto the centre console and is slowly leaking purple liquid into my little loose change tray.
The stupidly shallow cup holders that from time to time allow the bottle I have placed in it to fall into the foot well.
Trying to find a radio station that doesn't have advertisements playing rather than music.
Following the instructions of the sat nav that insists I can turn left the wrong way into a one way system ahead and encourages me to "turn around where possible" when I don't agree with her.
The person that insists on driving past queuing traffic and trying to cut in at the last second causing all sorts of enraged reactions from other road users rather than simply wait your turn!
When I am driving in rush hour traffic with 50 cars ahead of me in the same lane doing 45 in a 70 and the clown behind me that thinks I will get out of his way if he drives on my bumper just so that he can move 10 yards closer to his destination. Futile my friend.
Other road users generally, if they were banned my journey would certainly be much safer.
Pealing and eating an orange while driving, now that’s distracting.
Taking a hands free call is positively relaxing compared with what a normal commute throws at you!!
Indeed i could choose to leave my son at home, or choose not to allow him to drink while in the car regardless of the journey length, or choose to use one of those drink cup helmets rather than the cup holders, or choose to remove the radio and choose to drive home at 9pm and choose to use a map rather than satnav. However, what i choose is the same as everyone does and thats the most convenient option in most cases.
Finlandia said:
Stop the car and turn off the engine, then make the call, there are plenty of places where mobiles are banned and yet people choose to go to these places.
So if someone in the back seat wants to send a text or look at facebook they have to wait for the driver to pull over and stop the car? i guess playing Angry Birds would be fine as that doesn't require a signal, unless you click on an ad or want to download new levels? I also assume a Kindle Fire or Nintendo 3ds would be banned as they can access the internet?Yes, that sounds like an utterly brilliant idea which would be popular, fair and workable
jamieduff1981 said:
ATG said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Some people have brains which genuinely can only do one thing at a time. That's ok.
No, that would be everyone. The difference is some people recognise it and others don't. Multitasking is a myth. You're actually time slicing, switching your attention back and forth, and the effort required to switch is significant and adds nothing to what you're trying to get done. Much better to avoid it if possible.Why don't ATCOs cause crashes when they are radioed by another plane?
Why don't single seat fast jet pilots crash when they're talking to the Forward Air Controller trying to locate a close air support target?
Why can police drivers talk and drive very fast through traffic?
Multi-tasking does exist. It is real. It is slicing attention but the "data packets" if you like get assigned in different proportions depending on the priority. That's the bit some people can't do.
On the xbox 360 I can multi-task fine, talking and killing go hand in hand !
On a serious note, when i take a call in the car on the motorway i reduce my speed and increase the gap to the next car where possible to give me more thinking time.
I have not read the whole thread.
Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
jamieduff1981 said:
jmorgan said:
I expect the people you mention get a bit more training and that most normal bods like you and me will have a bit of a range on our abilities, that is from good to bad at this task, but in the main we will be below par for normal driving.
With the military ones in particular - it's initially screened in computer task based aptitude tests when you apply to join. There are various exercises, but as an example there's one which has arithmetic problems cycling on the screen with a short time limit to solve each one, whilst sequences of letters appear and disappear and you're to identify which one you saw some time later when a multiple choice selection appears on the screen. Meanwhile coloured diamonds fly along the screen from left to right at varying speeds and you have to tap the corresponding coloured button on the keyboard as the diamond crosses a matching coloured band on the screen. There were maybe 3 colours from memory.
It wasn't complicated, but there were 3 different things going on which need to be managed. You only concentrate on one at a time, but you monitor the others and need to chop and change what you're working on as the priorities evolve.
Willy Nilly said:
I have not read the whole thread.
Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
I proposed earlier that the lack of vast deaths is other drivers avoiding those on the mobile, like I said, probably saved a few lives and they do not know it.Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
Willy Nilly said:
I have not read the whole thread.
Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
No, you don't understand. BRAKE does not like cars. BRAKE does not like drivers. Now, people on phones annoy me as much as the next person. However, in the last 15 years there has been a huge increase in phone ownership and use. Like it or not people use their phones while they drive. Brake tell us we will all die in a fire ball of death if we use the phone while we drive. So considering the enormous amount of people that do use phones while driving, where are all the fire balls of death? There hasn't been a spike in crashes that corresponds with the spike in phone use.
Bet they use phones on their bicycles.
odyssey2200 said:
why the hell are they receiving taxpayer money? 
Another area we could save some cash surely?
Been involved in two shunts where the car behind has smashed into the rear of my car.
On both occasions it was business men on hands free whilst taking a business call.
They were in their car, but their brain was in a business meeting. And that's a lot different than phoning the misses to tell her you'll be home in half an hour.
On both occasions it was business men on hands free whilst taking a business call.
They were in their car, but their brain was in a business meeting. And that's a lot different than phoning the misses to tell her you'll be home in half an hour.
Negative Creep said:
Finlandia said:
Stop the car and turn off the engine, then make the call, there are plenty of places where mobiles are banned and yet people choose to go to these places.
So if someone in the back seat wants to send a text or look at facebook they have to wait for the driver to pull over and stop the car? i guess playing Angry Birds would be fine as that doesn't require a signal, unless you click on an ad or want to download new levels? I also assume a Kindle Fire or Nintendo 3ds would be banned as they can access the internet?Yes, that sounds like an utterly brilliant idea which would be popular, fair and workable
zippyprorider said:
Daniel1 said:
Just going to put this out there but.....
.... I find it's the talking, not the holding of the phone, that is the more distracting
Same in my opinion neither should be banned but if you ban one you should ban the other.... I find it's the talking, not the holding of the phone, that is the more distracting
I seen someone exiting a car park whilst on a hand held phone and she clipped every kerb on her way out, mainly because she couldn't steer round the tight bends with one hand, although I daresay the talking bit would have something to do with it too.
Especially if its freezing outside & you cant put window down.
Of course people can multi-task, to say they can't is ridiculous. How about as one example a fighter jet pilot who can manoeuvre his aircraft to avoid getting shot while at the same time aiming and firing weapons, monitoring weapons loads and fuel status, talking on their radios etc. We're talking about driving a CAR fgs. It takes a lot of concentration to do yes, but if it takes you so much effort that you can't also talk then you shouldn't be driving at all.
Using a handheld phone is totally different and rightly banned as you can see with the muppets that still do it as they stare intently at the phone instead of the road. If someone calls me on my built-in hands free I glance at the stereo to see who it is then press a button on the steering wheel to either answer or reject it. I talk while keeping my eye on the road and miraculously managing not to kill myself or anyone else, it's really not much effort at all.
Do other drivers sit in a puddle of sweat as they stare ferociously through their windscreens, too scared to breathe, change gear, or fart in case it breaks their laser-like concentration?
Using a handheld phone is totally different and rightly banned as you can see with the muppets that still do it as they stare intently at the phone instead of the road. If someone calls me on my built-in hands free I glance at the stereo to see who it is then press a button on the steering wheel to either answer or reject it. I talk while keeping my eye on the road and miraculously managing not to kill myself or anyone else, it's really not much effort at all.
Do other drivers sit in a puddle of sweat as they stare ferociously through their windscreens, too scared to breathe, change gear, or fart in case it breaks their laser-like concentration?
Edited by Chlamydia on Monday 18th November 23:16
Brake offices.
Boss:What EXACTLY do I pay you for? Every DAM year since records began and before we even EXISTED fatal crashes have gone DOWN despite total the number of miles travelled going UP. We aren't even NEEDED! It's like most people drive safely because they don't want to die, what have you got to say for yourself?
Brad:Sorry.
Boss:You work harder to come up with some schemes to make us controversial and relevant TODAY! HIT me with your best work!
Later that day.
Boss:What have you come up with?
Brad:No Sat Nav, no driving after 2am without a permit, no driving with any alcohol, no cleavage on a day over 20 degrees, no mini skirts, no tank tops, no 'for sale' signs, no people with a funny walk, no fat people, no bollards, no driving over 20mph, no listening to music over 90 beats per minute, no
Boss:Whoah there, what does that mean?
Brad:I'm not sure but it sounds scientfiic. No talking except in emergencies, no looking at the sunset and saying aaaahhh!, no supercars during rush hour and especially, especially, no women with boobs spilling out. That will obviously have to be analysed on a case by case basis.
Boss:Sounds like a tough job.
Brad:I volunteer my services.
Boss:Brad you're a good man. These ideas are extremely hard for the government to enforce, and almost impossible to prove one way of the other without them spending the annual GDP of Peru. The controversy generated from the feminists and other pressure groups. (Sigh) This will be on our EPITAPH.
Brad:We can lobby the government and get donations FOREVER!
Boss:FANTASTIC that's our funding problem solved. I want to take you out to dinner Brad and pick your brain, do you like Thai food?
Brad:Yes sir I do.
Boss:Excellent. We should take the train, it's far safer.
Brad:What?
Boss:GOT YOU!
Brad and Boss:MWAHAHAHAHA!
Boss:What EXACTLY do I pay you for? Every DAM year since records began and before we even EXISTED fatal crashes have gone DOWN despite total the number of miles travelled going UP. We aren't even NEEDED! It's like most people drive safely because they don't want to die, what have you got to say for yourself?
Brad:Sorry.
Boss:You work harder to come up with some schemes to make us controversial and relevant TODAY! HIT me with your best work!
Later that day.
Boss:What have you come up with?
Brad:No Sat Nav, no driving after 2am without a permit, no driving with any alcohol, no cleavage on a day over 20 degrees, no mini skirts, no tank tops, no 'for sale' signs, no people with a funny walk, no fat people, no bollards, no driving over 20mph, no listening to music over 90 beats per minute, no
Boss:Whoah there, what does that mean?
Brad:I'm not sure but it sounds scientfiic. No talking except in emergencies, no looking at the sunset and saying aaaahhh!, no supercars during rush hour and especially, especially, no women with boobs spilling out. That will obviously have to be analysed on a case by case basis.
Boss:Sounds like a tough job.
Brad:I volunteer my services.
Boss:Brad you're a good man. These ideas are extremely hard for the government to enforce, and almost impossible to prove one way of the other without them spending the annual GDP of Peru. The controversy generated from the feminists and other pressure groups. (Sigh) This will be on our EPITAPH.
Brad:We can lobby the government and get donations FOREVER!
Boss:FANTASTIC that's our funding problem solved. I want to take you out to dinner Brad and pick your brain, do you like Thai food?
Brad:Yes sir I do.
Boss:Excellent. We should take the train, it's far safer.
Brad:What?
Boss:GOT YOU!
Brad and Boss:MWAHAHAHAHA!
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