RE: Aston Red Bull hypercar confirmed
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
Original it was quoted as being faster than an F1 car, they seem to have realised how stupid that was, and downscaled to LMP1.
However, i still can't really see that being the case, well not significantly quicker anyway, as an LMP1 car, despite being slightly hobbled by Regs is still a pretty dam focused and extremely optimised track car. perhaps this new thing might be juuust quicker on a single flying lap, allowing them to say they hit their goals etc.
The big issue for me is that it'll be a terrible road car, be just about impossibly to drive unless you are a proper racing driver, and it brings precisely nothing new to either AML's product portfolio or the general road car arena. It would have been a lot cheaper to just stick some AML badges on an ACTUAL LMP1 car would it not?? .........l
I suspect Max_Torque and others here would have said the same thing about the Vulcan However, i still can't really see that being the case, well not significantly quicker anyway, as an LMP1 car, despite being slightly hobbled by Regs is still a pretty dam focused and extremely optimised track car. perhaps this new thing might be juuust quicker on a single flying lap, allowing them to say they hit their goals etc.
The big issue for me is that it'll be a terrible road car, be just about impossibly to drive unless you are a proper racing driver, and it brings precisely nothing new to either AML's product portfolio or the general road car arena. It would have been a lot cheaper to just stick some AML badges on an ACTUAL LMP1 car would it not?? .........l
that delighted so many at FoS this summer, as well as all of the lucky owners I have spoken to. Why be so negative as to immediately assume it's B...S...?The design and management team at Aston are doing just as great a job in keeping the UK motor industry at the bleeding edge of development as are many of the F1 and other formula race teams. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think it looks fantastic and is a great project. In terms of B...S... I reckon the best cure to avoid loose bowels is to manage the diet
and close the blow hole for a while 
! Let's give AML and RBR a chance to show what they can do. McLaren have risen brilliantly to the challenge with road and GT3/4 cars, despite plenty of vociferous F1 doomsters. Edited by Brital on Saturday 29th October 17:13
Brital said:
Max_Torque said:
Original it was quoted as being faster than an F1 car, they seem to have realised how stupid that was, and downscaled to LMP1.
However, i still can't really see that being the case, well not significantly quicker anyway, as an LMP1 car, despite being slightly hobbled by Regs is still a pretty dam focused and extremely optimised track car. perhaps this new thing might be juuust quicker on a single flying lap, allowing them to say they hit their goals etc.
The big issue for me is that it'll be a terrible road car, be just about impossibly to drive unless you are a proper racing driver, and it brings precisely nothing new to either AML's product portfolio or the general road car arena. It would have been a lot cheaper to just stick some AML badges on an ACTUAL LMP1 car would it not?? .........l
I suspect Max_Torque and others here would have said the same thing about the Vulcan However, i still can't really see that being the case, well not significantly quicker anyway, as an LMP1 car, despite being slightly hobbled by Regs is still a pretty dam focused and extremely optimised track car. perhaps this new thing might be juuust quicker on a single flying lap, allowing them to say they hit their goals etc.
The big issue for me is that it'll be a terrible road car, be just about impossibly to drive unless you are a proper racing driver, and it brings precisely nothing new to either AML's product portfolio or the general road car arena. It would have been a lot cheaper to just stick some AML badges on an ACTUAL LMP1 car would it not?? .........l
that delighted so many at FoS this summer, as well as all of the lucky owners I have spoken to. Why be so negative as to immediately assume it's B...S...?The design and management team at Aston are doing just as great a job in keeping the UK motor industry at the bleeding edge of development as are many of the F1 and other formula race teams. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think it looks fantastic and is a great project. In terms of B...S... I reckon the best cure to avoid loose bowels is to manage the diet
and close the blow hole for a while ! Let's give AML and RBR a chance to show what they can do. McLaren have risen brilliantly to the challenge with road and GT3/4 cars, despite plenty of vociferous F1 doomsters. Edited by Brital on Saturday 29th October 17:13
1) Crashing and killing yourself (or worse someone else)
2) Getting arrested and locked up for so long cars won't even be allowed by the time they let you out
Cars like the P1 (which incidentally i help to develop) give up hugh chunks of potential track performance in the name of useability, accessibility and as a necessity to meet road regulation. And generally the "F1" boys, whilst brilliant racing engineers have no idea about how to make a decent, or even legal road car. For example, on the new Merc hypercar, the original engine design concept by HPE didn't include anything on exhaust emissions........ oops...........
Max_Torque said:
Have you driven something like a Vulcan or P1 GTR? I've driven both, and i can't think of any worse as a ROAD car! Both have massive performance you can't use any of, without
1) Crashing and killing yourself (or worse someone else)
2) Getting arrested and locked up for so long cars won't even be allowed by the time they let you out
Cars like the P1 (which incidentally i help to develop) give up hugh chunks of potential track performance in the name of useability, accessibility and as a necessity to meet road regulation. And generally the "F1" boys, whilst brilliant racing engineers have no idea about how to make a decent, or even legal road car. For example, on the new Merc hypercar, the original engine design concept by HPE didn't include anything on exhaust emissions........ oops...........
Which might explain why the McLaren 12C bombed against the 458 back in 2011. Just going after performance at the expense of everything else doesn't make a good road car - it ends up as overkill 1) Crashing and killing yourself (or worse someone else)
2) Getting arrested and locked up for so long cars won't even be allowed by the time they let you out
Cars like the P1 (which incidentally i help to develop) give up hugh chunks of potential track performance in the name of useability, accessibility and as a necessity to meet road regulation. And generally the "F1" boys, whilst brilliant racing engineers have no idea about how to make a decent, or even legal road car. For example, on the new Merc hypercar, the original engine design concept by HPE didn't include anything on exhaust emissions........ oops...........
Max_Torque said:
Cars like the P1 (which incidentally i help to develop) give up hugh chunks of potential track performance in the name of useability, accessibility and as a necessity to meet road regulation. And generally the "F1" boys, whilst brilliant racing engineers have no idea about how to make a decent, or even legal road car. For example, on the new Merc hypercar, the original engine design concept by HPE didn't include anything on exhaust emissions........ oops...........
It sounds to me that they're just at that same stage of bluster as when Ron Dennis proclaimed to the world that the McLaren P1 would be the fastest road car in the world around any race track, bar none.thegreenhell said:
Max_Torque said:
Cars like the P1 (which incidentally i help to develop) give up hugh chunks of potential track performance in the name of useability, accessibility and as a necessity to meet road regulation. And generally the "F1" boys, whilst brilliant racing engineers have no idea about how to make a decent, or even legal road car. For example, on the new Merc hypercar, the original engine design concept by HPE didn't include anything on exhaust emissions........ oops...........
It sounds to me that they're just at that same stage of bluster as when Ron Dennis proclaimed to the world that the McLaren P1 would be the fastest road car in the world around any race track, bar none.However, i think Ron arguably delivered on his promise, with the caveat that there is only ever going to be a few tenths between road hyper cars which are all principally limited by their tyres (and they all pretty much use the same tyres). Most people, i would suggest, could perhaps agree that, in most cases, the P1 is the quickest of the current electrically boosted triumvirate, although on a slow/tight track, the 918 is very nearly as fast. The only other car i can think off that potentially runs it close is the Viper ACR, but although nominally a "road" car, it's really pretty much a race car in spirit, whereas the P1/918/LaLa are all road cars first and track cars second (hence the fact you can also buy the track variants of those cars, should you have even deeper pockets!) Also, i haven't yet seen an UK/EU track times from that car to compare.
So, the new AMR/RB hypercar, trying to be as fast as a LMP1 car? Well, i'm still highly suspect, especially when you factor road legal tyres into the mix!
the sad thing is that despite everything it still wont be as fast point to point on normal british A-roads than a Ducati Panigale, even ridden by an incompetent like myself.
Sure, as a trinket to take out to Bruntingthorpe, or to rent Brands Hatch for a day of playing, im sure it will be spectacular. Or to drive empty roads in your own oil state, where you can have the roads closed on a whim, it will be incredible.
On normal roads with traffic, its a plaything only. Which is a bit of a pity, really.
Sure, as a trinket to take out to Bruntingthorpe, or to rent Brands Hatch for a day of playing, im sure it will be spectacular. Or to drive empty roads in your own oil state, where you can have the roads closed on a whim, it will be incredible.
On normal roads with traffic, its a plaything only. Which is a bit of a pity, really.
Does anyone remember the CLK GTR road version that Mercedes said was the Lemans car for the road at £1m never heard of that being used yet alone being able to compare its performance with that of the racing version. F1 car speed on the road I don't think will happen! Expect traffic light cameras to flash even on Amber from now on lol
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