RE: Bugatti Chiron goes 304 mph!
Discussion
J4CKO said:
Most of what we consume on TV and through the media is largely irrelevant to us.
I dont want to just hear about stuff I can do "J4CKO today hit 84 mph on the M56 in a largely production BMW hatchback on the way to his parents house" isnt very interesting is it ?
I am trying to keep a sense of childlike wonder as I get older, remember when everything seemed so amazing ?
We spend years getting embittered, trying to spot the joins, pick holes in things, sometimes it is acceptable to say, watch a magic trick and not expose how its done. Its is not a weakness to just believe and it doesnt make you super smart by explaining things to death, celebrate achievements magnanimously.
Just try enjoying and appreciating things on face value occasionally, yes most of us will never own one, probably never see one, and those who do probably wont try to hit 304 mph, someone did it for them, the record was set.
Also, we need to accept expensive things and rich people exist, not all of them have been nice to get that money and yes a Bugatti Chirons worth of cash would pay for a lot more worthy things, but the world doesnt work like that get used to it. What a dull place it would be if people only ever spent on worthy, sensible stuff ? maybe do with a few more oligarchs tipping up a few quid but some will, some wont.
Yes J4CKO, well said. I dont want to just hear about stuff I can do "J4CKO today hit 84 mph on the M56 in a largely production BMW hatchback on the way to his parents house" isnt very interesting is it ?
I am trying to keep a sense of childlike wonder as I get older, remember when everything seemed so amazing ?
We spend years getting embittered, trying to spot the joins, pick holes in things, sometimes it is acceptable to say, watch a magic trick and not expose how its done. Its is not a weakness to just believe and it doesnt make you super smart by explaining things to death, celebrate achievements magnanimously.
Just try enjoying and appreciating things on face value occasionally, yes most of us will never own one, probably never see one, and those who do probably wont try to hit 304 mph, someone did it for them, the record was set.
Also, we need to accept expensive things and rich people exist, not all of them have been nice to get that money and yes a Bugatti Chirons worth of cash would pay for a lot more worthy things, but the world doesnt work like that get used to it. What a dull place it would be if people only ever spent on worthy, sensible stuff ? maybe do with a few more oligarchs tipping up a few quid but some will, some wont.
I can't understand people who'd rather argue about a roll cage and sequencing of product release than appreciate this thing has done 304mph!
WCZ said:
Gameface said:
You've no proof of that whatsoever.
Kubevoid said:
I suspect Bugatti will sell a limited run in the exact spec called 300 or whatever. Then charge double the price. Actually £3m has a nice ring to it.
Kubevoid said:
I suspect Bugatti will sell a limited run in the exact spec called 300 or whatever. Then charge double the price. Actually £3m has a nice ring to it.
for what it's worth the buggati site images refer to the car as the SS300 I think this will be the supersport.
there are also rumours of 2x supersports - 1x track focused version and this
Hi
This may sound a bit silly but what makes the fastest production car??
Bugatti have just taken the prize back. WooHoo, with the Chiron, which is a production car but the car used is very different to the standard car.
The question is when they build Chirons from now on will they all do 304mph?
Do all Veron SS's do 267mph?
Do all Agera's do 277mph?
Im sure they dont but surely if they dont then the ones that do are not production cars??
This may sound a bit silly but what makes the fastest production car??
Bugatti have just taken the prize back. WooHoo, with the Chiron, which is a production car but the car used is very different to the standard car.
The question is when they build Chirons from now on will they all do 304mph?
Do all Veron SS's do 267mph?
Do all Agera's do 277mph?
Im sure they dont but surely if they dont then the ones that do are not production cars??
neil1jnr said:
E65Ross said:
Cups Renault said:
Who gives a flying feck
Not an achievement when it costs as much as it does
Pointless and utterly irrelevant to all but 0.001% of the public. Got yourself a despotic oil state, or a Ponzi finance scheme, fill your boots.
Not an achievement because of how much it costs? You can throw all the money in the world at something but if the brains aren't there to come up with such a masterpiece it still wouldn't happen. Of course it is an achievement. Was the moonlanding not an achievement because it cost so much to do? Of course it is a great accomplishment.Not an achievement when it costs as much as it does
Pointless and utterly irrelevant to all but 0.001% of the public. Got yourself a despotic oil state, or a Ponzi finance scheme, fill your boots.
Pointless, perhaps. Irrelevant to most people, if not everyone? Almost certainly. But that doesn't make it less amazing. Climbing Mount Everest is a remarkable thing, it's pointless and irrelevant, but is it still an accomplishment? Bloody right it is.
Now f
k off to mumsnet.Amirhussain said:
neil1jnr said:
E65Ross said:
Cups Renault said:
Who gives a flying feck
Not an achievement when it costs as much as it does
Pointless and utterly irrelevant to all but 0.001% of the public. Got yourself a despotic oil state, or a Ponzi finance scheme, fill your boots.
Not an achievement because of how much it costs? You can throw all the money in the world at something but if the brains aren't there to come up with such a masterpiece it still wouldn't happen. Of course it is an achievement. Was the moonlanding not an achievement because it cost so much to do? Of course it is a great accomplishment.Not an achievement when it costs as much as it does
Pointless and utterly irrelevant to all but 0.001% of the public. Got yourself a despotic oil state, or a Ponzi finance scheme, fill your boots.
Pointless, perhaps. Irrelevant to most people, if not everyone? Almost certainly. But that doesn't make it less amazing. Climbing Mount Everest is a remarkable thing, it's pointless and irrelevant, but is it still an accomplishment? Bloody right it is.
Now f
k off to mumsnet.We should celebrate them all, especially so in a week when the world lost two courageous drivers in Jessi Combs and Anthoine Hubert. May they fly high.
NFC 85 Vette said:
Other than VW's test track, where else can the car be vmax'd? I remember reading that the regular Chiron took about 33 seconds to reach just under 250mph from zero, so it must need a bit of real estate to reach vmax.
Nowhere I suspect - the roads that are out there which are long enough are too bumpy by the sound of it. When a slight surface change at Ehra Lessien makes the test driver nervous I can't think a normal road would do.NFC 85 Vette said:
Other than VW's test track, where else can the car be vmax'd? I remember reading that the regular Chiron took about 33 seconds to reach just under 250mph from zero, so it must need a bit of real estate to reach vmax.
Those with less room could borrow M2K Motorsport's road-legal Ford GT. It exceeds 300mph in a standing mile – a runway, in this case – and only takes about 20 seconds to get there. Looks pretty much standard from the outside, too (aside from the parachute). 
https://youtu.be/hAYygiTYI_8
Video of a slightly slower run here...
https://youtu.be/DnCsQPpY6xA
Stock-bodied cars have been exceeding 300mph for a long while now (and on salt, too), that said – but that's a bit moot, given the degree of modification underneath and their single-minded focus.
Lewis Kingston said:
NFC 85 Vette said:
Other than VW's test track, where else can the car be vmax'd? I remember reading that the regular Chiron took about 33 seconds to reach just under 250mph from zero, so it must need a bit of real estate to reach vmax.
Those with less room could borrow M2K Motorsport's road-legal Ford GT. It exceeds 300mph in a standing mile – a runway, in this case – and only takes about 20 seconds to get there. Looks pretty much standard from the outside, too (aside from the parachute). https://youtu.be/hAYygiTYI_8
Video of a slightly slower run here...
https://youtu.be/DnCsQPpY6xA
Stock-bodied cars have been exceeding 300mph for a long while now (and on salt, too), that said – but that's a bit moot, given the degree of modification underneath and their single-minded focus.
I wonder what it's like as a road car compared to the Chiron.E65Ross said:
Is that running RON98? Just out of question I wonder what it's like as a road car compared to the Chiron.
That's a good question and a valid point; it's on methanol for the 300mph+ runs, I think, which has an octane rating of around 115. That, coupled with 50 psi and 9000+ rpm, helps it produce some 3000bhp. I wonder what it's like as a road car compared to the Chiron.Not bad for an engine that's using a stock block and ported factory heads...
Edited by Lewis Kingston on Wednesday 4th September 12:47
Schermerhorn said:
All hypothetical.
How many Veyron or Chiron videos do you see online of customers doing 200mph and beyond? Very rarely.
They'll be driven around places like Dubai, London, Monaco and New York and owners will be having orgies with $10,000 per night high end escorts.
If I had that sort of money that's exactly what I'd be doing.
Just because there aren't videos doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My understanding is that Bugatti offer customers the chance to max their cars at the VW test track on special 'track days', and I'm sure they could arrange one-off visits as well. How many Veyron or Chiron videos do you see online of customers doing 200mph and beyond? Very rarely.
They'll be driven around places like Dubai, London, Monaco and New York and owners will be having orgies with $10,000 per night high end escorts.
If I had that sort of money that's exactly what I'd be doing.
Lewis Kingston said:
NFC 85 Vette said:
Other than VW's test track, where else can the car be vmax'd? I remember reading that the regular Chiron took about 33 seconds to reach just under 250mph from zero, so it must need a bit of real estate to reach vmax.
Those with less room could borrow M2K Motorsport's road-legal Ford GT. It exceeds 300mph in a standing mile – a runway, in this case – and only takes about 20 seconds to get there. Looks pretty much standard from the outside, too (aside from the parachute). https://youtu.be/hAYygiTYI_8
Video of a slightly slower run here...
https://youtu.be/DnCsQPpY6xA
Stock-bodied cars have been exceeding 300mph for a long while now (and on salt, too), that said – but that's a bit moot, given the degree of modification underneath and their single-minded focus.
No 98ron though and you won't go much further
Onehp said:
Top of class Top Fuel dragster will hit 300mph under 5s on a quarter of that. We have a winner...
No 98ron though and you won't go much further
The trouble is, drag racing doesn't really count, does it? While the world's in awe of the Chiron numbers, Top Fuel cars have been hitting 335mph in 3.6 seconds for several years (over 1000ft rather than 1320ft), but because it's drag racing and so focused on one job, the fact they cant lap Silverstone like an F1 car means they're deemed to be flawed. I'd argue the long tail Chiron probably doesn't handle very well either (at least compared to the regular Chiron), but that'll become clearer when the SS 300 or whatever it ends up being called, is handed to some motoring journos.No 98ron though and you won't go much further
For reference, my Corvette should run around the 5.9 mark at about 250mph (when it's finished, it's taking a while). Unfortunately the regulations only permit a fuel pump a 1/5th the size of a big show car though, hence the power deficit and why it'll only produce about 4000 horsepower.
I'd like to see what the long tail Chiron and Ford GT can do at a drag strip though
Gameface said:
Robmarriott said:
Gameface said:
If they do, it needs to be exactly the same as the 300mph car if they want to justifiably claim the production car record.
I don't think it will be the same spec at all.
The fit and finish on the ‘modified’ bodywork looks very good for a one off. Looks production ready to me.I don't think it will be the same spec at all.
It needs to be perfect so it doesn't have a very public failure.
Nothing to do with 'production ready' at all.
Imagine my complete lack of suprise. I even got the name right on page 8...
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-french/chi...
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-french/chi...
Kubevoid said:
Imagine my complete lack of suprise. I even got the name right on page 8...
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-french/chi...
Well done you, you should be proud https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-french/chi...
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