What engine would make you consider buying a new GT86.
Poll: What engine would make you consider buying a new GT86.
Total Members Polled: 545
Discussion
kambites said:
gofasterrosssco said:
I don't really see the point in a 250bhp NA. Probably no more torque (which is really what people are bemoaning when they say its not quick enough) and less chance to fully wring it out (would need a 8-9k rpm redline, ala S2000!).
A 250bhp (200lb/ft) SC would be the next choice however.
And yet it's winning the poll at the moment. A 250bhp (200lb/ft) SC would be the next choice however.
I had expected the supercharged engines to be running away with this but it seems I was very wrong. The fact that the current engine is actually ahead of all the forced induction engines is quite a surprise to me. Maybe Toyota did their market research better than we give them credit for.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 16th August 10:36
Toyota have done their market research superbly. Its a motor that appears more interesting than it is for people who think they are more interesting than they are and reckon they have more driving talent than they do. I hope Toyota sell a s
tload of them.
Urban Sports said:
Rawwr said:
djglover said:
It would be good to see it coming in around 250, 200 just not enough really.
Enough for what? Why does nobody say what it's not enough for? Quantify.gofasterrosssco said:
Urban Sports said:
Rawwr said:
djglover said:
It would be good to see it coming in around 250, 200 just not enough really.
Enough for what? Why does nobody say what it's not enough for? Quantify.
CJP80 said:
Yes, but as it stands 106 people have voted for more power (even at cost) vs. 31 happy with the current offering.
Um, only 90 people have voted at all. It's a multi-choice poll. So more than a third of people who'd consider any of the options would consider the current car and just under half would consider a 250bhp N/A car. Any other engine option Toyota could pick would be considered by no more than about a quarter of potential buyers. Given the likely cost of developing a 250bhp N/A engine that would fit, it looks like they made the right decision to me. I'm very surprised that so few people would consider a supercharged car.
Interesting that the four forced induction options are pegging so close, and that there seems to be no real preference for 300bhp over 250.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 16th August 10:57
I'd have the 200 N/A, anything more just defeats the whole point of the car. The whole point of the small, light, rear wheel drive sports car is that you should be able to wring out every last bit of its performance on the road. It shouldn't be very powerful because that would make it too easy to drive quickly, having less power makes you really work to make the most of the chassis and that should be the point of a sports car. The more the car makes you work to make progress, the more entertaining it is. I'm glad that it isn't hugely powerful because this whole power arms race that has happened over the last ten years or so has ruined the market for proper driver's cars IMO.
It's not the power in se, it's just that the current engine doesn't seem to be very charismatic at all despite its 'flat' configuration. I would probably be happier with a 200 bhp Rover V8 - if GM would do a miniature LSx V8 (in the same way the Buick/Rover V8 was more or less an 'ultra-small block Chevy' architecturally) of say 3.5- 4.5 litres capacity, that would be an ideal sports car engine.
I like the purity of response of naturally aspirated engines, but small(ish) capacity ones almost invariably feel breathless and trashy to me in cars of modern-day size and weight.
I like the purity of response of naturally aspirated engines, but small(ish) capacity ones almost invariably feel breathless and trashy to me in cars of modern-day size and weight.
900T-R said:
It's not the power in se, it's just that the current engine doesn't seem to be very charismatic at all despite its 'flat' configuration. I would probably be happier with a 200 bhp Rover V8 - if GM would do a miniature LSx V8 (in the same way the Buick/Rover V8 was more or less an 'ultra-small block Chevy' architecturally) of say 3.5- 4.5 litres capacity, that would be an ideal sports car engine.
I like the purity of response of naturally aspirated engines, but small(ish) capacity ones almost invariably feel breathless and trashy to me in cars of modern-day size and weight.
I think Toyota would like to argue that this car isn't of modern-day size and weight. As has been pointed out many times, it's pretty much the same weight, size and power as an E30 M3. I like the purity of response of naturally aspirated engines, but small(ish) capacity ones almost invariably feel breathless and trashy to me in cars of modern-day size and weight.
I can see there being a 2.5 litre version, although maybe more for the US market. Reckon it might be more like 230hp than 250hp though, in n/a trim at least.
That said, for the type of car I really can't see the problem with 200hp.
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
That said, for the type of car I really can't see the problem with 200hp.
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
300bhp/ton said:
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
Agree, my Dad's charged MX5 is great. It has lots of low down torque but also revs well, so easy to 'have fun' in a car like that. You do lose having to wring it's neck though, I guess for some it could be 'too easy'.HKS have developed a SC a while back, hope Toyota take inspiration from it:
300bhp/ton said:
I can see there being a 2.5 litre version, although maybe more for the US market. Reckon it might be more like 230hp than 250hp though, in n/a trim at least.
That said, for the type of car I really can't see the problem with 200hp.
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
How about a V8?That said, for the type of car I really can't see the problem with 200hp.
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
300bhp/ton said:
I think a supercharged engine would be pretty cool in such a car, but logic would say Subaru are more into turbo power and Toyota also have fairly good history here too. So logically a 250, 280 level turbo 2.0 or 2.5 would seem to hold very little R&D costs and offer up the HP boost people claim to want.
A simple, low-boost (non chargecooled), cheap supercharger using a roots type unit (like an Eaton or similar) would give a chunk more power / torque, be relatively compact and light and avoid complication with ancillary systems required for turbo installation... It probably wouldn't be as efficient as a turbo though.. And Toyota have dabled with superchargers before.kambites said:
gofasterrosssco said:
I don't really see the point in a 250bhp NA. Probably no more torque (which is really what people are bemoaning when they say its not quick enough) and less chance to fully wring it out (would need a 8-9k rpm redline, ala S2000!).
A 250bhp (200lb/ft) SC would be the next choice however.
And yet it's winning the poll at the moment. A 250bhp (200lb/ft) SC would be the next choice however.
I had expected the supercharged engines to be running away with this but it seems I was very wrong. The fact that the current engine is actually ahead of all the forced induction engines is quite a surprise to me. Maybe Toyota did their market research better than we give them credit for.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 16th August 10:36
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