Play silly games racing... This is the outcome

[Durzel]

Hungrymc said:

My analogy makes no sense ? Okey dokey

Im open to other opinions on this. I keep trying to put myself in the bikers position. I don’t ride like him so it’s difficult. The one thing I wouldn’t do is filter to the front, past a car that has been traveling quicker than me. And if I did by some error of judgment, I would have gotten well ahead and clear as the lights change.

I guess the sign that the biker has missed is that the wheel spin is actually road rage, not racing / arsing about / having (questionable) fun ?

I honestly didn’t see the video as aggression up until the incident (I didn’t see the faces in the Civic, but didn’t hear shouting or see gestures). I saw it as two people riding / driving poorly together and would have assumed both were enjoying it.

You could make an argument that the Civic driver thought the biker was racing him, whereas the biker was just "riding enthusiastically" on the same bit of road. That argument carries weight when you consider that if he really was on a Hayabusa then he wasn't really trying that hard at all. I remember having people race up behind me when I was in my 458 because they either had something to prove or thought I was looking to race them (??), when I was just idly driving around.

That said you'd have to be a bit of an idiot not to realise that you have a stark choice to make when presented with someone literally spinning their wheels at the lights next to you. It's not like the biker found himself embroiled in this outcome, he made himself a participant in it. I would go further and say that someone who spins their wheels at the lights looking for a race is probably going to be behave badly in any race that then ensues, which is what happened here.

I still struggle to get my head around the fact this guy was on a superbike. It doesn't look like it at all from the video, it looks like he wasn't really trying at all, but at the same time he was trying enough to put himself in danger?

[Hungrymc]

I see your point Durzel, but there are different perspectives, I’d probably pull up behind a 458 to admire a beautiful car. If the driver opened it up, I might go with him.... but it wouldn’t be competitive, would only be admiring a nice car and enjoying seeing it being used (and using whatever car or bike I was on).

I’ve been riding and driving long enough to have had many times when riding / driving near another vehicle being used spiritedly. Every time that there has been opportunity to talk afterwards it’s been really pleasant, just another enthusiast doing their thing.

i see your point that the wheelspin could be the start of something (I’ve been close to many cars sliding and bikes on the back wheel or on their knee and it’s never been an aggressive move). And I would not have filtered past him having just been overtaken at some speed. If I were in that situation, I’d maybe Judge it as Ill tempered and would certainly then avoid. But the weight of responsibility is still massively with the Civic driver, I just find it hard to grasp why people resist that.

Final point, The Civic is likely to be stolen. Very unlikely to leave the scene of that accident in his own car, if it Is his car, what odds drink or drugs, if none of them, an absolute violent scum bag ? Personally I find it very hard to see the responsibility of this individual - deliberately causing and then fleeing a nasty crash - being diluted because someone was naive enough to put themselves near him. Biker deserves points, driver deserves jail.