RE: Ferrari 288 GTO: TaxTheRich at it again
Discussion
rouge59 said:
For those of you pissing and moaning about wealthy car lovers skilfully ragging some great cars and posting the results on Youtube, perhaps it's just as well none of you will ever own any of those cars as I'm sure that over time your semen would be ultimately damaging to the leather interiors and the paintwork of these wonderful bits of metal.
MaybeBut the video is still a bit s
t.RobM77 said:
I've answered all of those points in my posts
No you've just typed the same thing again and again. When asked directly you simply avoid answering the question. How is a single 288 - which Ferrari made in hundreds - like a one-off piece of art/sculpture that came directly from an artist's hands? Really, how?This particular car is not remarkable. Had Schumacher/Irvine driven it to some racing success, then perhaps it would be special and the risks of driving it as shown in the video might be too high. And the reason for that would be the history of the machine itself would be remarkable. As a comparison, look how Mercedes treat the 190E that a young Senna drove in the Nurburgring race against a field packed with world champions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=664k0onPaVY That is a special car.
Do you want Irv Gordon to stop stop driving his Volvo just in case it gets flattened by a big rig?
RobM77 said:
I was most certainly not comparing it to a Picasso or a Romsm statue / again, read my posts.
And yet earlier you said: "it's like buying a Picasso and then mis-treating it 'because it's yours'." and "its wrong to buy a unique Picasso or unique Roman sculpture and then mis-treat it,"There's nothing on the car that can't be fixed with time, effort and money.
On the face of it, it's all a bit pointless - classic racing, rallying, the lot. Nothing to be gained from it at all, other than enjoyment of the driver and spectators.
Hold on a minute.......
More people will see this video in the next month than are likely to go to Goodwood events for the next 10 years.
On the face of it, it's all a bit pointless - classic racing, rallying, the lot. Nothing to be gained from it at all, other than enjoyment of the driver and spectators.
Hold on a minute.......
More people will see this video in the next month than are likely to go to Goodwood events for the next 10 years.
Can someone point out to me what the actual 'abuse' so often mentioned on this thread was?
It's a Ferrari. It's designed to be revved. If it's been properly maintained and warmed up then it's not going to damage the car.
As for the clutch, bushes etc these are consumables. They are wear out on all cars. If you drive it hard then they may wear out quicker than normal but if you can afford it (which Mr Hunt can) then you just replace them as necessary.
It may have also got a few stone chips. Wow. Big deal.
I don't see any abuse in any of these videos. Just enthusiasts having a lot of fun in great cars who are wealthy enough not to worry if they need a new clutch or new tyres.
It's a Ferrari. It's designed to be revved. If it's been properly maintained and warmed up then it's not going to damage the car.
As for the clutch, bushes etc these are consumables. They are wear out on all cars. If you drive it hard then they may wear out quicker than normal but if you can afford it (which Mr Hunt can) then you just replace them as necessary.
It may have also got a few stone chips. Wow. Big deal.
I don't see any abuse in any of these videos. Just enthusiasts having a lot of fun in great cars who are wealthy enough not to worry if they need a new clutch or new tyres.
Wow... Really?
Did the 300 skid marks on the road in all the Gymkhana videos not give the game away? Block drove each and every one of those corners relentlessly for hours at a time in a purpose-built car. This looks like it was done in one take, so in that sense these boys are better drivers than Ken Block by a country mile.
Did the 300 skid marks on the road in all the Gymkhana videos not give the game away? Block drove each and every one of those corners relentlessly for hours at a time in a purpose-built car. This looks like it was done in one take, so in that sense these boys are better drivers than Ken Block by a country mile.
Baryonyx said:
I was comparing (unfavourably) the slightly graceless donut slides to Ken Block's effortlessly skilful Gymkhana displays, not the value of the cars involved.
pistolp said:
I had a 288 GTO and thought it was a terribly ordinary car. Nice to look at but pretty uninspiring from behind the wheel. Admittedly I never used it for any gymkhana stunts. Don't underestimate the skill needed to execute this sort of driving in a car like the 288, an M3 it ain't. It's got a very slow rack for starters so drifting becomes problematic, even more so in confined spaces. It must have involved much arm twiddling. Also, turbos don't help as it makes the delivery unpredictable, especially 1980s technology.
I totally get this viewpoint- it's simply not enough to look good and sound good. But in that case Jamie, why sell the F50? Genuine question because IMHO it's one of the best driving experiences there is. EskimoArapaho said:
RobM77 said:
I've answered all of those points in my posts
No you've just typed the same thing again and again. When asked directly you simply avoid answering the question. How is a single 288 - which Ferrari made in hundreds - like a one-off piece of art/sculpture that came directly from an artist's hands? Really, how?This particular car is not remarkable. Had Schumacher/Irvine driven it to some racing success, then perhaps it would be special and the risks of driving it as shown in the video might be too high. And the reason for that would be the history of the machine itself would be remarkable. As a comparison, look how Mercedes treat the 190E that a young Senna drove in the Nurburgring race against a field packed with world champions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=664k0onPaVY That is a special car.
Do you want Irv Gordon to stop stop driving his Volvo just in case it gets flattened by a big rig?
RobM77 said:
I was most certainly not comparing it to a Picasso or a Romsm statue / again, read my posts.
And yet earlier you said: "it's like buying a Picasso and then mis-treating it 'because it's yours'." and "its wrong to buy a unique Picasso or unique Roman sculpture and then mis-treat it,"What I'm saying is that all our points are perfectly valid (apart from that guy/kid who just keeps throwing insults around of course), it's purely a matter of opinion what you think of treatment like this to classic cars and I was simply voicing mine, isn't that what a forum's all about?
Yes because driving a Ferrari to the edge of destruction in an F1 race or Le Mans does the car good, doesn't it? Every nut, bolt, panel, etc can be repaired or replaced to as good as new or better. I don't see any issues with the video except that some people have a touch of jealousy. Know what, that gorgeously beautiful woman you lust after but will never have? Someone is banging her senseless too, and she loves it.
456mgt said:
totally get this viewpoint- it's simply not enough to look good and sound good. But in that case Jamie, why sell the F50? Genuine question because IMHO it's one of the best driving experiences there is.
Hi mate - I loved the F50 and its infinitely got more of everything compared to the 288. The 288 is looks only IMO. I sold it though because I love useable cars. I love cars that I can take out no matter what the road and no matter what the weather. I live in Wilts where we have lots of small B roads. I could rarely get the most out of the F50 on those roads, it was always a jog rather than a sprint. The car was just too big and wide, to rev hungry too. It genuinely felt like a LM car for the road. Ultimately I decided that I'd have more fun in cars I can really afford. Such as my GT3. I didn't have to be precious about it.That's why I like this video. Its so refreshing that someone who can clearly afford their car uses it how they see fit, in this case as a means with which to entertain us. People have become obsessed with worth, value, rarity etc and have forgotten cars of this sort were actually built to have fun with.
Always loved the 288 GTO and enjoyed the vid. If I had the funds I would find room for one in my collection but I suspect that its dirty older sister would actually be more fun for this type of shenanigins 
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Couldn't give a flying fk who's money funded the cars or who owns them. The facts in front of me are a video of a fantastic and valuable car being driven with considerable skill in a most unlikely environment - if we are talking about rare things, you have it right there.
Don't care if they completely balls up the car because they have the means to completely restore them from the ground up I suspect. Something that happens to many cars that have been stuck away in a collection and never used. We should remember they get fked through lack of use too. So I can't get over excited about the prospect of damage being done through this sort of use/abuse, whatever you want to call it. It breaks, it gets fixed, wow what a revelation!
Excellent video IMHO, long may they keep producing them.
k who's money funded the cars or who owns them. The facts in front of me are a video of a fantastic and valuable car being driven with considerable skill in a most unlikely environment - if we are talking about rare things, you have it right there.Don't care if they completely balls up the car because they have the means to completely restore them from the ground up I suspect. Something that happens to many cars that have been stuck away in a collection and never used. We should remember they get f
ked through lack of use too. So I can't get over excited about the prospect of damage being done through this sort of use/abuse, whatever you want to call it. It breaks, it gets fixed, wow what a revelation!Excellent video IMHO, long may they keep producing them.
RobM77 said:
storminnorman said:
Any love for the Evoluzione?
It's certainly not as beautiful or desirable as the 288 that came before it or the F40 that came after it. Significant though because of those models that bookend it 
Of the three built, I believe 9 survive.
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