So that panic buying looks really silly now...

[martin84]

aryastark said:

The countries full of retarded lemmings, many of whom are on this forum. I dread to think what will happen when/if something really kicks off.

I'm struggling to remember that clearly but I'm pretty sure there wasn't panic buying in 2000 long before any protest was even arranged.

[Mr Sparkle]

If it hadn't been on the news I wouldn't have noticed all the panic buying, I filled up as normal on a Saturday and the Tesco's petrol station at Lakside had no queues. Don't think it was a big deal.

[martin84]

Mr Sparkle said:

If it hadn't been on the news I wouldn't have noticed all the panic buying, I filled up as normal on a Saturday and the Tesco's petrol station at Lakside had no queues. Don't think it was a big deal.

Maybe if Cameron and Maude hadn't encouraged panic buying and petrol conservation in sheds/garages etc there might've been less panic buying? All they did was make the public believe the chances of a strike were higher than they really were.

Are you suggesting the news shouldn't report news? Should the news be blocked from reporting facts and events which may be inconvenient to you? Theres a chap in North Korea who's quite keen on such things.

[Mr Sparkle]

martin84 said:

Mr Sparkle said:

If it hadn't been on the news I wouldn't have noticed all the panic buying, I filled up as normal on a Saturday and the Tesco's petrol station at Lakside had no queues. Don't think it was a big deal.

Maybe if Cameron and Maude hadn't encouraged panic buying and petrol conservation in sheds/garages etc there might've been less panic buying? All they did was make the public believe the chances of a strike were higher than they really were.

Are you suggesting the news shouldn't report news? Should the news be blocked from reporting facts and events which may be inconvenient to you? Theres a chap in North Korea who's quite keen on such things.

I'm suggesting it wan't that big of a deal. The fact I saw on the roads didn't tie up with the doom that you seem to have been witness to. As for your hatred of the Conservative in every post, they are nothing like as bad as the previous half wits and the cancer that voted them in.

[martin84]

Mr Sparkle said:

I'm suggesting it wan't that big of a deal. The fact I saw on the roads didn't tie up with the doom that you seem to have been witness to. As for your hatred of the Conservative in every post, they are nothing like as bad as the previous half wits and the cancer that voted them in.

I don't have a hatrid for the Conservative Party. I have a hatrid for the fact PH flip flops depending on whether the Tories or Labour are responsible for something. If a Labour ex-Mayor is suspected of tax dodging it gets a 10 page thread of vile rants, if a Tory Prime Minister drains the nation dry of petrol its supposedly fine because he's a Tory and Labour would've been worse you know

I dislike the fact the Tories only seem to win on here, they never lose. Things get skewed and spun to ensure the Tories look best. It smacks of blind faith and tribalism to me. Thats what I dont like. We all know if Labour had handled this fuel issue in the same way theres no way PH'ers would say it was sound management.

Is not being as bad as Labour worthy of any praise?

[Mr Sparkle]

martin84 said:

Is not being as bad as Labour worthy of any praise?

Of course you are right here, but it still doesn't change my observation that I wasn't inconvenienced by long queues since I didn't see any. I make no particular comment on whether the advise to top up tanks was good or bad.

[martin84]

Mr Sparkle said:

Of course you are right here, but it still doesn't change my observation that I wasn't inconvenienced by long queues.

Some areas were worse than others. I decided to stick to my guns and buy my usual amount on my usual day, hoping the drained stations would've just been re-fuelled by the time I needed them and I was right so I personally didn't have a problem but I did drive past a BP with about 40 cars waiting which was a bizarre sight.

[Sir Bagalot]

I was really surprised by the amount of places that sneaked 3-5p per litre on.

[martin84]

Sir Bagalot said:

I was really surprised by the amount of places that sneaked 3-5p per litre on.

Really? Why? These are petrol stations we're talking about

They had a bit on the news earlier about the price hike. Somebody from the Petrol Retailers Association - or whatever they're called these days - said they don't understand why their cost price is rising as demand by and large is decreasing and they've asked the OFT to look into it.

My local station was 137.9 a couple of weeks ago. Within 2 days it went to 143.9 and hasn't moved since.

[s2sol]

martin84 said:

The Government's advice brought the entire country to a stand-still and drained every filling station in the land'

I would suggest that this is not entirely true. In fact, I am of the opinion that it is complete bks. And, to be even more pedantic, que is more commonly spelled queue.

[NoNeed]

martin84 said:

NoNeed said:

Yes it's a minor fk up at most, if anything it was the sky reporter (watch the link I provided) trying to make trouble (maybe murdoch wants revenge)

People bought fuel that is all ALL.

the last governemt created £1.4 trillion of debt that is causing people to lose a lot more than a jerry can of fuel.

The last government have saddled our children and their children and probably thier grand children with a mountain of debt.

This goverment got people to fill thier tanks.

It was a minor fk up at most.

What about tuition fees, riots, Andy Coulsen, Liam Fox, the savage destruction of the NHS, cash for PM access, granny tax, fuel tax, pasty tax, brainless reform of welfare which wont save any money, rising unemployment, unwarranted attack on pensioners in the same day as a tax cut for the rich - except those who want to give to Charity - and the general fact this Government lacks the competence to improve the economic situation? Osborne is a complete moron and this lot after two years have not made a single dent in anything. And their PR management is quite abysmal, if they're paying anybody for this strategy that persons salary should be the first one off the taxpayers bill.

A minor fk up is still a fk up, I wanted to keep this thread on the fuel subject but you're the one who's comparing mishandling of a NON EXISTANT fuel strike with racking up a national debt. In the context of the fuel issue the Governments role in the chaos is major, you cannot just hide behind Labour every time the Tories make a fk up just so as you dont have to criticise your beloved party. This Government's had its share of fk ups as well you know, thats all I'm saying.

Are you saying any mistake the Tories make is perfectly fine so long as they're not as bad as the last lot? I dont mind you smashing Labour so long as you treat the Conservative's the same when they make a mistake. According to PH the Tories only win, they never seem to lose. Interesting considering they never won the election

How many of those decisions were made due to Labour ruining the economy?



Panic buying was a minor trivial problem that even you yourself say you wasn't inconvenienced and nor was I and for that matter I know of nobody that suffered major inconvenience, an extra 5 minutes waiting for fuel was about it really. You are like the reporter that spoke to maude in the link I provided in that you really are trying to make problems where none exist.

You forget to answer my question. What position do you hold in the labour party.

[38911]

Ffs stop spouting garbage.

It was, at worst, an ill advised comment and, at best, a very clever negotiation tactic. I believe it was probably the former - but as others have said, nowhere near the level of utter incompetence and stupidity of the last cretinous government.

Labour fked this country up well and truly. So lets keep it in context eh?

[Pothole]

martin84 said:

No sane person could say the Government's advice was a smart move. The Government's advice brought the entire country to a stand-still and drained every filling station in the land.

People bought fuel, drove home and thought 'Cameron told me to top up, I should replace what I used getting back from the station!!!!' Duhhhhhhh!!!


The Government's advice led to gridlocked roads, turned roundabouts into car parks, caused havoc for the petrol retail trade which are still struggling to re-stock and the Cameron-induced ques were frankly dangerous to traffic.

All of the above was caused by the errant stupidity of the electorate. All "advice" can be heeded or ignored.

I ignored. I did not run out of fuel in either my motorcycle or my car.

It did not drain 'every filling station in the land'.

PS it's different TACK (like in sailing) tact is something else entirely.

[martin84]

NoNeed said:

How many of those decisions were made due to Labour ruining the economy?

None

38911 said:

but as others have said, nowhere near the level of utter incompetence and stupidity of the last cretinous government.

Labour fked this country up well and truly. So lets keep it in context eh?

The country was magnificent and faultless in 1996 was it? Give me strength. Morons. T

The only context I'm interested in is the context of the fuel shortage. I am sick and tired of PH ignoring EVERY Tory mistake and merely using it as an excuse to criticise the previous Government. Every single Tory fk up is brushed under the carpet or defended with 'Labour were worse' as though that makes the Tories right? Do we have to wait for another black wednesday before PH will finally criticise a Conservative administration? Is that how far it has to go? You people just embarass yourselves.

Its like asking both of them whats 4 + 4, they both get it wrong but the Tories saying 9 is fine because Labour got the question wrong as well. This website isn't biased at all

If you think 'its all Labour's fault' is going to work for the Tories at the next election you're all going to be very disappointed. The Tories need to actually do something positive rather than being marginally less thick than the last lot you know.

NoNeed said:

You forget to answer my question. What position do you hold in the labour party.

You forgot to answer mine. How would you have reacted if a Labour Government had taken this approach to this issue? Would PH have called it an excellent negotiating tactic and sound advice?

Funny how nobody has answered that

ETA: Do you think only Labour members would criticise Conservatives? 19 million voters did not vote Tory in 2010. Its not just the Labour party who dislike them.

Edited by martin84 on Sunday 15th April 16:20

[Frik]

martin84 said:

I dislike the fact the Tories only seem to win on here, they never lose. Things get skewed and spun to ensure the Tories look best. It smacks of blind faith and tribalism to me. Thats what I dont like. We all know if Labour had handled this fuel issue in the same way theres no way PH'ers would say it was sound management.

Indeed, but what do you expect? Objectivity isn't most people's finest skill, particularly PHers.

The advice given was a terrible idea IMO. Maude was trying to pull a Thatcher, which if you've got stockpiles of coal is a cunning plan. When you're getting the general public to do the stockpiling for you with something as potentially lethal as petrol, it's pretty idiotic. I've said it here before, but if you're going to give out official advice like this, you need to be bloody specific.

[martin84]

Frik said:

Indeed, but what do you expect? Objectivity isn't most people's finest skill, particularly PHers.

The advice given was a terrible idea IMO. Maude was trying to pull a Thatcher, which if you've got stockpiles of coal is a cunning plan. When you're getting the general public to do the stockpiling for you with something as potentially lethal as petrol, it's pretty idiotic. I've said it here before, but if you're going to give out official advice like this, you need to be bloody specific.

'If you've got stockpiles...' being the most critical part of that. The fact is we were encouraged to stockpile petrol when petrol stations didnt have enough for us to do that! We're three pages in now and nobody has acknowledged the Government sent out this advice without talking to the fuel retailers in advance. Petrol stations were left to rely purely on their standard deliveries as their Government drummed up 200% extra business for them which they couldn't meet.

[Rich_W]

martin84 said:

NoNeed said:

How many of those decisions were made due to Labour ruining the economy?

None

OH FFS Do you ACTUALLY understand the current economic situation. You do understand that when we have 1 Trillion of debt you have to make MASSIVE cutbacks everywhere you can. I don't like it anymore than you. But I do accept it has to happen. Unlike Labour I don't beleive there is a money tree

martin84 said:

The country was magnificent and faultless in 1996 was it? Give me strength. Morons.

Well aside from the then tory government self combusting. Sleeze and all those other stupidness they were doing at the time. It was basically people wanted change. And that was fine.

But, and here's the crucial thing. We weren't in the dire financial straights your beloved Labour have managed to get the UK into now. Here's a fact you can go and check. All the way back to the early 1900s. WHENEVER a Labour government has left office the economy has been screwed. For reference House prices have gone so high now. A sizeable percentage of the country will never be able to buy. That happene SINCE Labour took office. Truly about helping "Mondeo Man" like they claimed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordability_of_hous...

Martin84 said:

...Black Wednesday...

Truly a bad day for the country. But 7 months later. The UK was no longer in recession. Given Labour rpesided over taking us into Recession. Do tell why I should let them try and spend us out of it?

martin84 said:

The only context I'm interested in is the context of the fuel shortage. I am sick and tired of PH ignoring EVERY Tory mistake and merely using it as an excuse to criticise the previous Government. Every single Tory fk up is brushed under the carpet or defended with 'Labour were worse' as though that makes the Tories right?

I don't think ANY sane person thinks the Tories are perfect. Even as a Tory voter. I agree Maudes advice was pretty stupid. And inevitably caused the fkwits of this country to stock up shed loads of fuel and even in the case of one fking cretin give herself massive burns I wonder why Milliband didn't say the Fuel strikes were a bad thing though? Corruption? Self interest?

martin84 said:

Its like asking both of them whats 4 + 4, they both get it wrong but the Tories saying 9 is fine because Labour got the question wrong as well.

Tories would say 6 Labour would say 900 and keep spending money on failed asylum seekers (did you notice who FINALLY kicked Abu Hamza out of the UK?) and benefits for the workshy. Whose more wrong?

martin84 said:

If you think 'its all Labour's fault' is going to work for the Tories at the next election you're all going to be very disappointed. The Tories need to actually do something positive rather than being marginally less thick than the last lot you know.

All Labours fault won't work obviously. The problem is the workshy wasters of this country. The benefit cheats and all the rest of the scum have been targetted by the Tories. When Labour tells them they will reverse those decisons (and they will) we'll be back to another few years of finacial ruin.

Oh, and I'm so glad you brought up "Pasty Tax". Pasty Tax was designed to close a VAT loophole that penalised your local, 1 family run Chippy but didn't penalise Greggs the Bakers selling a hot Cornish. I loved when Ed Milliband (who is virtually unelectable IMO) stood in Greggs saying how it would hurt a retailer like them. FYI Greggs is listed on the stock market and had a revenue in 2011 of £701M! Hardly the working class he wanted to defend

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greggs

But hey. Labour are great. They never do anything wrong do they. Tell me again who anouced we would be selling off the Gold resevers of the country in advance causing the value to crash. Tell me again who legalised "no win no fee" in this country. Tell me again who wanted the M4 bus lane? Tell me again who took us into Iraq and is respnsible for the deaths of our troops? Tell me again who sold Peerages? Tell me again who made it illegal to discipline your children (and then stood back and wondered why we have a feral youth) Tell me why Harriet Harmon beleives she's always right and tried to fiddle her expenses? Tell me why I should EVER change my vote and ask for a Labour government?

Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 15th April 17:06

[NoNeed]

martin84 said:

NoNeed said:

How many of those decisions were made due to Labour ruining the economy?

None

38911 said:

but as others have said, nowhere near the level of utter incompetence and stupidity of the last cretinous government.

Labour fked this country up well and truly. So lets keep it in context eh?

The country was magnificent and faultless in 1996 was it? Give me strength. Morons. T

The only context I'm interested in is the context of the fuel shortage. I am sick and tired of PH ignoring EVERY Tory mistake and merely using it as an excuse to criticise the previous Government. Every single Tory fk up is brushed under the carpet or defended with 'Labour were worse' as though that makes the Tories right? Do we have to wait for another black wednesday before PH will finally criticise a Conservative administration? Is that how far it has to go? You people just embarass yourselves.

Its like asking both of them whats 4 + 4, they both get it wrong but the Tories saying 9 is fine because Labour got the question wrong as well. This website isn't biased at all

If you think 'its all Labour's fault' is going to work for the Tories at the next election you're all going to be very disappointed. The Tories need to actually do something positive rather than being marginally less thick than the last lot you know.

NoNeed said:

You forget to answer my question. What position do you hold in the labour party.

You forgot to answer mine. How would you have reacted if a Labour Government had taken this approach to this issue? Would PH have called it an excellent negotiating tactic and sound advice?

Funny how nobody has answered that

ETA: Do you think only Labour members would criticise Conservatives? 19 million voters did not vote Tory in 2010. Its not just the Labour party who dislike them.

Edited by martin84 on Sunday 15th April 16:20

I would have reacted exactly the same

now will you answer my question

[LandingSpot]

So were any dates ever confirmed?

[NoNeed]

NoNeed said:

martin84 said:

NoNeed said:

How many of those decisions were made due to Labour ruining the economy?

None

NoNeed said:

You forget to answer my question. What position do you hold in the labour party.

You forgot to answer mine. How would you have reacted if a Labour Government had taken this approach to this issue? Would PH have called it an excellent negotiating tactic and sound advice?

Funny how nobody has answered that

ETA: Do you think only Labour members would criticise Conservatives? 19 million voters did not vote Tory in 2010. Its not just the Labour party who dislike them.

Edited by martin84 on Sunday 15th April 16:20

I would have reacted exactly the same

now will you answer my question

The conservatives had more votes than any other party and therefore won the election and the right to form a government far more right than Gordon Brown had, as he only had one vote and that was from Tony B Liar.


My question still requires an answer.