Cyclist vs Car (again)
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I thought this was quite amusing.
Not becuase of what has happened but becuase it is another example of a helmet/dash cam video of some incident. An incident that probably happens everyday around the country just like other incidents on other videos like this.
I mean nobody even got knocked out in the scuffle, I'd give it 6/10 ay best for amusement.
Not becuase of what has happened but becuase it is another example of a helmet/dash cam video of some incident. An incident that probably happens everyday around the country just like other incidents on other videos like this.
I mean nobody even got knocked out in the scuffle, I'd give it 6/10 ay best for amusement.
I think a lot of cyclists do themselves no favours with their attitude on the road - in a lot of videos cyclists are pretty much inciting altercations, and have seemingly no ability to let others' mistakes go without shouting abuse, even the mistake has zero potential for an accident or to require evasive action. However, in this case he's just maintaining a constant speed as far as I can tell - the van overtakes and then has to slow down. Response of angry van man is unacceptable.
Edit: It does sound like the cyclist shouts "get off the phone you b*stard", which presumabaly provoked the aggressive response.
Edit: It does sound like the cyclist shouts "get off the phone you b*stard", which presumabaly provoked the aggressive response.
Edited by johnnyBv8 on Friday 16th January 07:40
The van driver is clearly an idiot that can only solve his problems by shouting & being aggressive.
The cyclist appears to be one of those that thinks wearing a camera turns him into a policeman & allows him to tell people off for using phones whilst driving.
The cyclist probably shouts at lots of people on his recorded commute. This time he shouted at the wrong person. I'm not condoning the actions of the van driver at all, he's a Neanderthal with anger issues.
I'm a cyclist & a car driver, when I'm driving I try to give cyclists room, when I'm cycling I try not to p
s off people I don't know who are driving around in two tons of metal box.
ETA, I'm assuming it's the cyclist shouting at the van driver being on the phone - although it could well be the cyclist that gets shouted at.
The cyclist appears to be one of those that thinks wearing a camera turns him into a policeman & allows him to tell people off for using phones whilst driving.
The cyclist probably shouts at lots of people on his recorded commute. This time he shouted at the wrong person. I'm not condoning the actions of the van driver at all, he's a Neanderthal with anger issues.
I'm a cyclist & a car driver, when I'm driving I try to give cyclists room, when I'm cycling I try not to p
s off people I don't know who are driving around in two tons of metal box. ETA, I'm assuming it's the cyclist shouting at the van driver being on the phone - although it could well be the cyclist that gets shouted at.
Hopefully the driver will be brought to account. However, the cyclist should learn a couple of things:
1) Don't shout abuse at other road users - you're not there to police the roads.
2) Don't lie on the ground to make a point when you're capable of getting up (particularly when someone angry is approaching!).
1) Don't shout abuse at other road users - you're not there to police the roads.
2) Don't lie on the ground to make a point when you're capable of getting up (particularly when someone angry is approaching!).
The cyclist shouldn't have ridden up the inside but to be honest given how quickly the situation ahead presented itself it's easy to see why he just decided the best course of action was to carry on.
But did he deserve to be run off the road and then beaten up by a neanderthal van driver? No he absolutely did not. On what planet can anyone consider that an acceptable response just because the guy on the bike made a bad snap judgement on the traffic situation?
But did he deserve to be run off the road and then beaten up by a neanderthal van driver? No he absolutely did not. On what planet can anyone consider that an acceptable response just because the guy on the bike made a bad snap judgement on the traffic situation?
Driver101 said:
I never said anything otherwise. I said the exact same.
All I said was the rider could have used some common sense and backed out. He was aiming for confrontation. He isn't there to police the road and shout at other road users.
Not sure if you've ridden much on the road before but unfortunately in many cases just an automatic reaction - not sure if it's some side effect of being put in a difficult situation whilst already physically exerting yourself and having adrenaline flowing through your bloodstream or whatever but if someone does something (such as box you in on the road, or knock you off your bike) you tend to come out with something automatically and quite involuntarily. All I said was the rider could have used some common sense and backed out. He was aiming for confrontation. He isn't there to police the road and shout at other road users.
Edited by Chicane-UK on Friday 16th January 08:35
If I'm driving my car and I get overtaken, I don't then try to barge back past into any old 'gap' if the car in front slows down. Why the buggery bks cyclists seem unable to accept that sometimes they'll have to slow down is absurd.
Maintain momentum, or maintain the use of one's legs (or front teeth in this gobstes case)?
The white van gorilla shouldn't have clumped him, but most people learn their lesson in the school playground-provoke the big kids and you'll likely get a smack
ks cyclists seem unable to accept that sometimes they'll have to slow down is absurd. Maintain momentum, or maintain the use of one's legs (or front teeth in this gobs
tes case)? The white van gorilla shouldn't have clumped him, but most people learn their lesson in the school playground-provoke the big kids and you'll likely get a smack
Seems like allot of people watched a different clip to me...there was no issue with the gap; the driver took umbrage at being shouted at for being on the phone and then forced the rider into the curb.
The driver is without doubt a mouth breathing thug...perhaps the cyclist is a bit gobby but I'd say the shout was justified if the driver was on the phone.
The driver is without doubt a mouth breathing thug...perhaps the cyclist is a bit gobby but I'd say the shout was justified if the driver was on the phone.
The cyclist doesn't shout, until the van starts squeezing him up against the kerb. It was probably just a reaction and I think most of would have done the same or said something.
The van driver knew he was there, but obviously got the red mist when the cyclist got past him again.
Sure, maybe the cyclist shouldn't have sqweezed up the inside again but the van slows down right after the first overtake and the cyclist would have had to have slowed considerable, to stay behind the van. It might be annoying when cyclists sqweeze up the inside of you, but it gives absolute no excuse to do what the van driver does.
We all share the roads and cyclists, cars, trucks etc should realise that. Nobody owns the road, we all share it.
The van driver is a grade A tosser and I really hope he gets all that's coming to him.
The van driver knew he was there, but obviously got the red mist when the cyclist got past him again.
Sure, maybe the cyclist shouldn't have sqweezed up the inside again but the van slows down right after the first overtake and the cyclist would have had to have slowed considerable, to stay behind the van. It might be annoying when cyclists sqweeze up the inside of you, but it gives absolute no excuse to do what the van driver does.
We all share the roads and cyclists, cars, trucks etc should realise that. Nobody owns the road, we all share it.
The van driver is a grade A tosser and I really hope he gets all that's coming to him.
spikey78 said:
If I'm driving my car and I get overtaken, I don't then try to barge back past into any old 'gap' if the car in front slows down. Why the buggery bks cyclists seem unable to accept that sometimes they'll have to slow down is absurd.
Maintain momentum, or maintain the use of one's legs (or front teeth in this gobstes case)?
The white van gorilla shouldn't have clumped him, but most people learn their lesson in the school playground-provoke the big kids and you'll likely get a smack
Now, this is the view that I don't get. The car drove past and then slowed down. The cyclist didn't speed up or barge anything. The car then quite clearly alters course to deliberately run the person off the road. ks cyclists seem unable to accept that sometimes they'll have to slow down is absurd. Maintain momentum, or maintain the use of one's legs (or front teeth in this gobs
tes case)? The white van gorilla shouldn't have clumped him, but most people learn their lesson in the school playground-provoke the big kids and you'll likely get a smack
How you can justify the absolutely unacceptable actions of the scummy van driver is inexplicable.
Johnnytheboy said:
Bin lorry, van and cyclist all as bad as each other.
Van driver better at fighting than cyclist.
Haha! Van driver better at fighting than cyclist.
This. Very accurate summation
But also, why on earth did the cyclist ride up through that narrow gap after just being overtaken?
As a car driver (and a cyclist although mountain not and never will road/commute), who respects cyclists and is very cautious not to injure them, I have to be honest when this happens it is quite unnerving as you've just completed a manoeuvre were you've been concentrating on safely passing a very vulnerable target and it reappears from you blind spot up the inside and straight back into a position of danger that you then have concentrate on again. I really don't ever want to knock a cyclist off in my car but sometimes it feels like cyclists don't feel the same
Edited by burpface on Friday 16th January 09:34
paranoid airbag said:
Sorry, but...
Source: stopped cycling after having two people left-hook me in a week whilst riding in the left hand tyre track. It's alright according to my "fellow" cyclists though, 'cos I wearing a plastic hat
In other news, BRAKE will be pushing for more legislation to make our lives as motorists work (and I'll be very tempted to support them). And we'll be wondering why...
i've done nearly 30,000 miles through central London and the South East on a push bike and I've never had a problem, I ride probably 3 feet from the kerb. If you allow yourself to be overtaken by people chancing it, then bad things happen, like this video.Source: stopped cycling after having two people left-hook me in a week whilst riding in the left hand tyre track. It's alright according to my "fellow" cyclists though, 'cos I wearing a plastic hat
In other news, BRAKE will be pushing for more legislation to make our lives as motorists work (and I'll be very tempted to support them). And we'll be wondering why...
You say what you want, but the safest place to ride a bike is not in the gutter, its in a defensive position that makes people think twice before overtaking.
DonkeyApple said:
Now, this is the view that I don't get. The car drove past and then slowed down. The cyclist didn't speed up or barge anything. The car then quite clearly alters course to deliberately run the person off the road.
How you can justify the absolutely unacceptable actions of the scummy van driver is inexplicable.
Because Pistonheads. Apparently all the people in this video are as bad as the others according to another genius. I'm not sure what a driver would actually have to do to be the villain of an incident in some people's minds. How you can justify the absolutely unacceptable actions of the scummy van driver is inexplicable.
okgo said:
i've done nearly 30,000 miles through central London and the South East on a push bike and I've never had a problem, I ride probably 3 feet from the kerb. If you allow yourself to be overtaken by people chancing it, then bad things happen, like this video.
You say what you want, but the safest place to ride a bike is not in the gutter, its in a defensive position that makes people think twice before overtaking.
This. People then come onto forums like this to bYou say what you want, but the safest place to ride a bike is not in the gutter, its in a defensive position that makes people think twice before overtaking.
h and moan about bloody cyclists slowing them down (to 20 mph in a 30) but you don't get simpletons like bin lorry dhead and van chimp overtaking in daft places.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff