Angry Passat Man...
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No need for Passat man's rage. However, I use a very similar junction every day on the way to work. Approaching a main road from an acute angle and turn left almost back on myself. And almost every day see someone in front swing to the right for either better visibility or to be able to make the turn in something with a poor turning circle, pickups usually. And every time I wince because one day a car is going to turn off the main road on to 'our' road traveling at speed and have a rather large accident.
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
To those who say, it's a big vehicle, common problem, blah blah blah - if a vehicle doesn't suit a road then don't take the vehicle down that road. There's a reason articulated lorries don't go bandying about housing estates for fun.
Rigid HGVs are in and out of housing estates every single day and will often be worse than an artic in terms of getting round corners and junctions.You'll also be told on your test to do what you need to do to progress. Blocking lanes and junctions etc is all part of it.
The issue isn't with vehicles using certain roads in a certain way (have you seen how many single track lanes HGVs have to use for farm deliveries? ) rather, the issue is with other drivers reacting like idiots because they don't have the brains to understand what's happening.
It's really not rocket science and you can easily tell those who drive around thinking about other vehicles and their size etc from those who focus only on their own progress and nothing else.
surveyor said:
Stella Tortoise said:
How are the many millions of drivers who either haven't read this thread or driven a Transit meant to know about this road blocking feature?
Perhaps there should be a government warning.
Perhaps there should be a government warning.
We don’t appear by magic. Opening ones eyes gives a clue.
Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
Stella Tortoise said:
Wouldn't it be better all around if you just fitted an extra mirror so that you wouldn't feel that you have no option but to block the road?
Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
I would suggest if all vans had a mirror setup to try and give a good view of the traffic from the left, it would result in more and worse accidents than the times a passat guy situation caused him to slow down/stop briefly? looking at the picture Passat man could clear the main road, if another person comes up from behind wanting to go the same way then they may have to stay on the main road, so as long as everyone is paying attention the worse that can happen is the main road traffic comes to a stop, once that happens then it's likely the queue will gesture to the van guy he can creep out (no on eis going anywhere if they don't!) and then it's also more likely the traffic from the left will slow and let him out? Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
I use that junction fairly frequently it's terribly sighted and the only way to get safely onto the 50mph limit Woodhead Pass is to position square on. I think the other driver should look ahead and anticipate a potential obstruction. Turning left out of that junction is even worse, even in a car you often end up on the wrong side of the road to complete the maneuver. I don't understand why there isn't a mirror on that junction. Maybe a email request to highways or whoever is responsible for that road?
Scootersp said:
Stella Tortoise said:
Wouldn't it be better all around if you just fitted an extra mirror so that you wouldn't feel that you have no option but to block the road?
Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
I would suggest if all vans had a mirror setup to try and give a good view of the traffic from the left, it would result in more and worse accidents than the times a passat guy situation caused him to slow down/stop briefly? looking at the picture Passat man could clear the main road, if another person comes up from behind wanting to go the same way then they may have to stay on the main road, so as long as everyone is paying attention the worse that can happen is the main road traffic comes to a stop, once that happens then it's likely the queue will gesture to the van guy he can creep out (no on eis going anywhere if they don't!) and then it's also more likely the traffic from the left will slow and let him out? Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
OP I fear you've just met one of those "I'm always right, everyone else is wrong" types. I have met a few, the most recent one was after the chap behind me decided I was using the wrong lane on an unfamiliar roundabout. I suspect locals use the right-hand lane to go straight, but I was in the left-hand lane... (signage suggested left lane was correct).
Despite us being the only two vehicles around and it really causing him no issue (a tut and an eyebrow raise might have been more appropriate), as soon as he realised what I was doing he floored it and leaned on the horn. Bizarre behaviour.
More bizarre was that he felt so passionately about it that when I stopped at a red light a little later he came up to my window to remonstrate. Odd. Very odd.
Despite us being the only two vehicles around and it really causing him no issue (a tut and an eyebrow raise might have been more appropriate), as soon as he realised what I was doing he floored it and leaned on the horn. Bizarre behaviour.
More bizarre was that he felt so passionately about it that when I stopped at a red light a little later he came up to my window to remonstrate. Odd. Very odd.
Digby said:
It's really not rocket science and you can easily tell those who drive around thinking about other vehicles and their size etc from those who focus only on their own progress and nothing else.
^^ This, I had someone flashing me out of a narrow junction a while back as they wanted to turn into it but there was obviously not enough room for me to pass them once I'd pulled out, if I'd pulled out I would have blocked everything up and created chaos so I waited and the car had to squeeze around me and whilst it was tight there was room, this obviously resulted in many interesting gestures as they passed me which did piss me off a bit at the time but I soon forgot about it.Digby said:
Stella Tortoise said:
Come again?
They are saying it's a bad idea to use a mirror there. It's far better and far less dangerous for Mr VW etc to slow down for a moment.Passat man would have had a view of OP's position before he got close - anyone who knows the road at all would know it's narrow and you'd struggle to get behind anyone emerging perpendicular to Woodhead.
It's an absolutely s
tty road at the best of times - one of the most dangerous in the U.K. If a driver is getting angry at someone trying to get a good view to pull out of a bad junction onto it, I'd say they need to have a think about what they're wanting to happen instead because there have been some horrific collisions around that junction and the one half a mile from it (Holme Moss turn) that someone mentioned earlier.By the way, If anyone watched Traffic Cops on Monday night, 1 of the crashes covered was within 1/2 a mile of the junction OP was at, and the bike one - where the Repsol paint job Honda went over the wall - was on the road OP was emerging from.
bern said:
No need for Passat man's rage. However, I use a very similar junction every day on the way to work. Approaching a main road from an acute angle and turn left almost back on myself. And almost every day see someone in front swing to the right for either better visibility or to be able to make the turn in something with a poor turning circle, pickups usually. And every time I wince because one day a car is going to turn off the main road on to 'our' road traveling at speed and have a rather large accident.
No bern, apparently it is behaviour that is absolutely fine. I mean, as mentioned by another contributor, who on earth would deliberately drive into a car blocking their path ? It wouldn't be the person blocking the roads fault. No sireee. It's the road design. It's the vehicle manufacturer. It's the angry man whose path is blocked. It's the constant stream of traffic. It's always someone else's fault.
It's absolutely okay to inconvenience and endanger others as long as you're okay. Jack
OddCat said:
bern said:
No need for Passat man's rage. However, I use a very similar junction every day on the way to work. Approaching a main road from an acute angle and turn left almost back on myself. And almost every day see someone in front swing to the right for either better visibility or to be able to make the turn in something with a poor turning circle, pickups usually. And every time I wince because one day a car is going to turn off the main road on to 'our' road traveling at speed and have a rather large accident.
No bern, apparently it is behaviour that is absolutely fine. I mean, as mentioned by another contributor, who on earth would deliberately drive into a car blocking their path ? It wouldn't be the person blocking the roads fault. No sireee. It's the road design. It's the vehicle manufacturer. It's the angry man whose path is blocked. It's the constant stream of traffic. It's always someone else's fault.
It's absolutely okay to inconvenience and endanger others as long as you're okay. Jack
Other options. Pull into a position where I have no visibility of traffic from the left and hope for the best, or wait for a huge gap in traffic which at rush hour on that road does not happen.
I'm alright Jack, so is Passat man (He had to wait 20-30 seconds), and so is the car that I did not crash into coming from the left.
PorkInsider said:
This.
Passat man would have had a view of OP's position before he got close - anyone who knows the road at all would know it's narrow and you'd struggle to get behind anyone emerging perpendicular to Woodhead.
It's an absolutely stty road at the best of times - one of the most dangerous in the U.K. If a driver is getting angry at someone trying to get a good view to pull out of a bad junction onto it, I'd say they need to have a think about what they're wanting to happen instead because there have been some horrific collisions around that junction and the one half a mile from it (Holme Moss turn) that someone mentioned earlier.
By the way, If anyone watched Traffic Cops on Monday night, 1 of the crashes covered was within 1/2 a mile of the junction OP was at, and the bike one - where the Repsol paint job Honda went over the wall - was on the road OP was emerging from.
This one?Passat man would have had a view of OP's position before he got close - anyone who knows the road at all would know it's narrow and you'd struggle to get behind anyone emerging perpendicular to Woodhead.
It's an absolutely s
tty road at the best of times - one of the most dangerous in the U.K. If a driver is getting angry at someone trying to get a good view to pull out of a bad junction onto it, I'd say they need to have a think about what they're wanting to happen instead because there have been some horrific collisions around that junction and the one half a mile from it (Holme Moss turn) that someone mentioned earlier.By the way, If anyone watched Traffic Cops on Monday night, 1 of the crashes covered was within 1/2 a mile of the junction OP was at, and the bike one - where the Repsol paint job Honda went over the wall - was on the road OP was emerging from.
Officers attend the site of a horrific head-on collision involving a transit van and an HGV where the emergency services attempt to rescue the van driver from wreckage.
PorkInsider said:
It's difficult to tell from this pic - the camera lens and angle aren't helping - but the road OP was emerging from is very narrow. You wouldn't have much to spare passing the back of this little red car, so with a van it's not surprising there's no room to pass behind.
Have to say that is terrible road design. Not only are you hampered by the junction design, the way the main road curves away from your view as well makes it especially st. In a van, as you were driving, if you approached it normally you wouldn’t be able to see a damned thing and would be relying on the force to determine if it was safe to exit. I could imagine a great many anchors being slammed on, a few near misses and some accidents at that junction. It’s terrible.MissChief said:
Have to say that is terrible road design. Not only are you hampered by the junction design, the way the main road curves away from your view as well makes it especially st. In a van, as you were driving, if you approached it normally you wouldn’t be able to see a damned thing and would be relying on the force to determine if it was safe to exit. I could imagine a great many anchors being slammed on, a few near misses and some accidents at that junction. It’s terrible.
It’s fine for the hoss’n’cart it was originally there for.t. In a van, as you were driving, if you approached it normally you wouldn’t be able to see a damned thing and would be relying on the force to determine if it was safe to exit. I could imagine a great many anchors being slammed on, a few near misses and some accidents at that junction. It’s terrible.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff