The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread

The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Dashcam" Thread

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MW-M5

1,808 posts

137 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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KAgantua said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWejpnJFSZs

Bad driver overtakes just before a roundabout - I know, lets ride FULL PELT into the gap that wont be there when he arrives at the give way line - then ride off like a little baby

Then upload it to Youtube.

He does look like Nathan Barley...


To be fair to the cyclist it was a stty uneccesary overtake but did you really need to keep pedalling into that sitaution?
When two s collide!

Dark85

704 posts

163 months

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

147 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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WTF is the point of posting a video link then making it private?

TonyRPH

13,314 posts

183 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Dark85 said:
It's quite difficult to see - but it looks as though the cyclist was crouched down on his approach to the junction?

Also - there's a lot of 'street furniture' there?

It's here



Seesure

1,206 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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TonyRPH said:
It's quite difficult to see - but it looks as though the cyclist was crouched down on his approach to the junction?

Also - there's a lot of 'street furniture' there?

It's here
Looks more like he decided to by-pass the red light and take to the pavement and came out on the pedestrian crossing part of the junction.

Alternatively he was in "Uphillfreewheeler" mode....


Koofler

616 posts

181 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Dark85 said:
Cyclist entirely to blame as far as I can see. The light for the car was green.

Also, the article says the rider was left unconscious on the ground, but he appears to be rolling about a fair bit. No doubt in a fair amount of pain but that's Darwinism for you.

ferrariF50lover

1,834 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.

To go slightly over the top, it could result in a loss of livelihood for the driver, a failure to pay his mortgage, a breakdown of his marriage and loss of access to his children.

What happens as is? Does the lunatic on the bike pay to repair the car? Does he stand a chance of being banned from doing the thing he is so obviously dangerously incompetent to do? Will there be any repercussion at all?

HTP99

23,994 posts

155 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ferrariF50lover said:
Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.

To go slightly over the top, it could result in a loss of livelihood for the driver, a failure to pay his mortgage, a breakdown of his marriage and loss of access to his children.

What happens as is? Does the lunatic on the bike pay to repair the car? Does he stand a chance of being banned from doing the thing he is so obviously dangerously incompetent to do? Will there be any repercussion at all?
I think we all know the answers to your questions.

WinstonWolf

72,863 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ferrariF50lover said:
Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.

To go slightly over the top, it could result in a loss of livelihood for the driver, a failure to pay his mortgage, a breakdown of his marriage and loss of access to his children.

What happens as is? Does the lunatic on the bike pay to repair the car? Does he stand a chance of being banned from doing the thing he is so obviously dangerously incompetent to do? Will there be any repercussion at all?
If we're going over the top the cyclist could have a minor bleed to the brain resulting in a personality disorder which ultimately causes him to go on the rampage in a Ramboesque killing spree. This killing spree is misinterpreted by GCHQ as an attack by Daesh who ramp up air strikes in the middle east. Unfortunately Daesh have managed to get hold of Plutonium and create a dirty bomb detonating it in the Soviet Union. Putin is pissed, unleashes nukes and the world ends...

Don't jump lights kids...

Oh, and don't exaggerate.

Stickyfinger

8,429 posts

120 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ferrariF50lover said:
Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.

To go slightly over the top, it could result in a loss of livelihood for the driver, a failure to pay his mortgage, a breakdown of his marriage and loss of access to his children.

What happens as is? Does the lunatic on the bike pay to repair the car? Does he stand a chance of being banned from doing the thing he is so obviously dangerously incompetent to do? Will there be any repercussion at all?
Exactly....the only option is the small claims court or the insurance company (and best of luck with that !)

the driver will however still have a "claim" on the books

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/57065/cyclists-al...

GarryDK

5,670 posts

173 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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HTP99 said:
ferrariF50lover said:
Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.

To go slightly over the top, it could result in a loss of livelihood for the driver, a failure to pay his mortgage, a breakdown of his marriage and loss of access to his children.

What happens as is? Does the lunatic on the bike pay to repair the car? Does he stand a chance of being banned from doing the thing he is so obviously dangerously incompetent to do? Will there be any repercussion at all?
I think we all know the answers to your questions.
In all fairness I completely agree, which is why as a cyclist I have insurance, which covers me like car insurance does, any decent cyclist would do, after all they are probably riding on £1000s worth of bike. The problem is the type of rider who jumps lights etc are probably the same types who wouldnt bother with car insurance tax and mots.

stevesuk

1,374 posts

197 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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TonyRPH said:
It's quite difficult to see - but it looks as though the cyclist was crouched down on his approach to the junction?

Also - there's a lot of 'street furniture' there?
My first thought on watching the video was that the junction appears to be particularly obscured by street furniture, making it difficult for the cyclist to see the car (not that he was looking!) but equally, for the car driver to see the cyclist.

Councils seem to obscure junctions and roundabout entrances on purpose - round here they've taken to planting large bushes and shrubs just where you need a good sight-line to judge whether you need to give way or not. I guess the aim is to force everyone stop even if they don't need to, but it seems dangerous to me.

simoid

19,774 posts

173 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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stevesuk said:
My first thought on watching the video was that the junction appears to be particularly obscured by street furniture, making it difficult for the cyclist to see the car (not that he was looking!) but equally, for the car driver to see the cyclist.

Councils seem to obscure junctions and roundabout entrances on purpose - round here they've taken to planting large bushes and shrubs just where you need a good sight-line to judge whether you need to give way or not. I guess the aim is to force everyone stop even if they don't need to, but it seems dangerous to me.
Yes I've noticed that too. Perhaps they think it's safer for us to see fk all, instead of seeing 90% but missing something.

ferrariF50lover

1,834 posts

241 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Thing is, Wolfie, I've seen my scenario (including the slightly over the top element) happen, to a real man, in the real world. It's not so much an exaggeration as it is a realistic worst case. It would be fantastically unfortunate, but it could happen and to be honest, even with only the first paragraph, it still would represent a considerably greater burden to bear upon the driver than it seems would be brought upon the cyclist.

My question was genuine. I know what I think would happen, but unlike readers of the Daily Mail, I don't assume that my assumptions are correct and make the mistake of basing embarrassing, error strewn rants on those assumptions.

Perhaps there is a remedy available to the driver in this case? Perhaps the five-oh will take an interest? Perhaps there will be bans and fines and training courses? The truth from my end is that I haven't a clue about the process from here in these circumstances. My assumption is that the cyclist gets away scot free where the motorist would face potentially very serious consequences. This seems so unjust as to be implausible.

Magic919

14,126 posts

216 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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It'd be a similar outcome if it were an idiot pedestrian instead.

budgie smuggler

5,718 posts

174 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ferrariF50lover said:
Without going over the top, roles reversed in that scenario (but involving exactly the same outcome) would result in prosecution, re-training, fines and expensive PI claims.
Would it? Time and time again we see this the opposite way around the driver walks away totally scot free.


Helen Measures for example. Hits cyclist head on and kills them, while overtaking on blind bend at 50mph. Cleared of careless driving.

Pamela Willocks and Russel Davies ran over John Edmund Searle, killing him after they were blinded by the low sun. Didn't think to stop, or slow down. No, just carry on driving when you can't see what's ahead. In fact somebody even ran over the good samaritan who stopped to help the cyclist. All cleared of careless driving.

Philip Sinden killed Daniel Squire. He was driving a van and texting at the time. Cleared of careless driving.

Sam Burrows hit and killed Colin Crowther after being blinded by the sun. Cleared of careless driving.

Christopher Shapland hit and killed Olin Poulson who was waiting to turn right. Christopher was driving at 55mph in a 40mph zone, using a handsfree (but claims to have stopped talking to concentrate on the overtake scratchchin) and only managed to scrub off 3mph before impact. Cleared of careless driving.

Graham Driver hit and killed Muthumanaka Pinhamy in his lorry. He pulled out of a junction and ran her over. Wasn't aware of her presence, even after hitting her. Left her dead in the road. Cleared of careless driving.

Daniel Mackay drove a van straight into the back of Elizabeth Brown and killed her. Claimed that a mystery van appeared, swerved in front of him and hid her presence. Despite the fact she was wearing hi vis and should have been visible for several hundred meters. Cleared of careless driving.



Vipers

33,263 posts

243 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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gowmonster said:
xjay1337 said:
Not sure if posted before but this was on the BBC page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonsh...

Notice the lane / speed compared to the two approaching rear lorries.... smile

Completely avoidable.
On the previous page, guy hogging the middle lane is causing an offence if he's been driving like that for ages, however it could be said he had just overtaken the lorry in lane 1. lorry is in the wrong for 1. hitting the guy, and 2. going into lane 3.
Very strange, all the papers are saying he was repeatedly rammed, the driver only says he was side swiped, today's tabloids say the driver said he was about to turn off at junction 15a, so what a good idea to stay in L2.



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NM62

952 posts

165 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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I went through that junction a few times in October and had the same thing nearly happen to me, I was taking it very easy as I did not know the area, cyclist jumped the red light ( well mine was on green so assumed he jumped it), luckily I missed him.

My daughter is at Cardiff Uni and walks past this junction (North Road/Colum Road) frequently and as seen many near misses, she says some of the foreign students have very little road sense(first thing she asked when I told her).

Coming from the left fork in the opposite direction (from where the cyclist came) is even worse as you have a bus lane and the normal lane with an island in between, it's good for buses but normal road users have to take it easy.

ralphrj

3,803 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12031540/Da...

Driver sentenced to 8 months in prison for dangerous overtaking caught on dashcam.

The Telegraph think it is the first time anyone has been imprisoned using evidence from another motorists dashcam footage.

giantdefy

696 posts

128 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ralphrj said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12031540/Da...

Driver sentenced to 8 months in prison for dangerous overtaking caught on dashcam.

The Telegraph think it is the first time anyone has been imprisoned using evidence from another motorists dashcam footage.
From the article

Matt Stockdale, chairman of PoliceWitness, said: "I formed PoliceWitness after I was almost killed by a reckless HGV driver.
"Frustrated that there were no police to witness what had occurred, I decided to empower the public to assist the police, in order to hold those who flout the law to account. "To date, nearly 1,000 motorists up and down the country have faced positive formal police action following the submission of dash cam footage by those who call themselves PoliceWitnesses.
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