RE: Polestar 5 prototype charges in 10 minutes
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barrycoupe said:
When are positions going to realise that EV’s are not the answer. Polestar have created something the charging network will never ever be able to cope. Not without having thousands and thousands of wind power generators ruining our environment. EV ‘s are too heavy, and this is a blind alley we are being sent down. ICE’s with sustainable fuel has to be a better alternative. Batteries, never.
And yet there's millions of us who actually have one (I assume you don't) who wouldn't go back to an ICE for daily driving if it was free. barrycoupe said:
When are positions going to realise that EV’s are not the answer. Polestar have created something the charging network will never ever be able to cope. Not without having thousands and thousands of wind power generators ruining our environment. EV ‘s are too heavy, and this is a blind alley we are being sent down. ICE’s with sustainable fuel has to be a better alternative. Batteries, never.
Can you explain how e-fuel, which (per mile) requires 6 to 7 times as many wind turbines as EVs helps prevent wind turbines from 'ruining our environment'?Logic seems a bit off on that one...
By far, most of the petrol or diesel that you buy goes straight out of the radiator in the car as waste heat.
The next biggest consumer is the energy to push it through the air.
Weight comes in at a lowly third, so I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with it.
In any case EVs have regen to recover much of the kinetic energy stored by the mass (weight) of the car, your e-fuelled dream car loses all of it to the friction brakes, if not used for coasting.
'Positions' have done the sums, many many times.
EVs win every time, and by a ridiculously large margin.
Hoofy said:
You asked and they delivered! (See above!)
Sounds like a real advance though and if the facilities catch up, then perfect.
Still need to find better ways of mining but we aren't worried about African children around these parts.
Also there's the lack of decent noise. Need to be able to install mp3s. I'd have a clipclop sound or a chufchuf sound.
But f¨cking up entire regions to pump their oil is OK? Sounds like a real advance though and if the facilities catch up, then perfect.
Still need to find better ways of mining but we aren't worried about African children around these parts.
Also there's the lack of decent noise. Need to be able to install mp3s. I'd have a clipclop sound or a chufchuf sound.
GT9 said:
barrycoupe said:
When are positions going to realise that EV’s are not the answer. Polestar have created something the charging network will never ever be able to cope. Not without having thousands and thousands of wind power generators ruining our environment. EV ‘s are too heavy, and this is a blind alley we are being sent down. ICE’s with sustainable fuel has to be a better alternative. Batteries, never.
Can you explain how e-fuel, which (per mile) requires 6 to 7 times as many wind turbines as EVs helps prevent wind turbines from 'ruining our environment'?Logic seems a bit off on that one...
Gordon Hill said:
The preaching continues.
Yes, once you learn, and accept electrification isnt going away the happier you will be, just carry on, like I will with driving ICE stuff.Otherwise you are going to spend the rest of your life very angry and frustrated.
EVs are the least worst solution to mass personal transport, not for enthusiasts of the internal combustion engine and all its rich history which we have grown up immersed in, thing move on and change yet we tend to be stuck in the past and there is nothing wrong with that but dont think that the future wont happen as its already started.
Does anyone really believe that after ten years of EVs that everyone is going to say "Sod that, lets go back to petrol and diesel for the foreseeable", there is no magical alternative waiting in the wings, it isnt Hydrogen based on progress so far and they are just another EV with a different power source, E Fuels arent going to happen as GT9 mentioned, they are an order of magnitude less efficient than even petrol. There is always scope for something to come out of left field but will be arund the power source rather than the engine, cars will have electric motors.
Does anyone really think that in fifty years anyone outside of a museum/collection will have a petrol or diesel ?
And people going on about the environment having never been interested before despite oil spills, wars, explosions etc, no one method of moving people round in metal boxes is environmentally friendly, its just down to which is least bad, get a bicycle if its that important to you.
Gordon Hill said:
The preaching continues.
We are discussing an electric car.Would you prefer that we just went along with all of the made-up arguments that have got no basis in fact?
I get that you don't like me or my career.
However, if you've got nothing useful to say, why are you here other than to troll?
SDK said:
Sustainable fuel is very expensive to produce & transport, so it will be always be very costly for the end user. The world demands a lot of fuel and sustainable fuel production won't ever meet even 10% of just one countries demand.
Finally - Vehicles using it still emit tailpipe pollution
Petrol was probably very expensive to produce and transport back when you had to buy it from the chemist. Similarly, batteries to power an electric vehicle weren't cheap but production technology evolves......Finally - Vehicles using it still emit tailpipe pollution
J4CKO said:
Otherwise you are going to spend the rest of your life very angry and frustrated.
It's just bizarre behaviour to go round all EV threads shouting that they are crap. It's like me going into a pub and shouting "I don't like beer." People just look at you like you are some kind of weirdo. By all means come into threads and try to engage with meaningful debate, people will respond better and you might learn something. Maybe that something will be that an EV is not for you but shouting "I hate EVs" in a thread full or people having a civil debate about pros and cons just makes you look foolish.Tycho said:
I think you are a bit generous to think that any logic went into that post. I've noticed that there are a lot of low post count but older accounts that seem to be attracted to EV threads and they are all anti-EV.
There's also a lot of new accounts with high post numbers that have seemingly signed up just to tell us all how bad EVs are. ChocolateFrog said:
Tycho said:
I think you are a bit generous to think that any logic went into that post. I've noticed that there are a lot of low post count but older accounts that seem to be attracted to EV threads and they are all anti-EV.
There's also a lot of new accounts with high post numbers that have seemingly signed up just to tell us all how bad EVs are. GT9 said:
barrycoupe said:
When are positions going to realise that EV’s are not the answer. Polestar have created something the charging network will never ever be able to cope. Not without having thousands and thousands of wind power generators ruining our environment. EV ‘s are too heavy, and this is a blind alley we are being sent down. ICE’s with sustainable fuel has to be a better alternative. Batteries, never.
By far, most of the petrol or diesel that you buy goes straight out of the radiator in the car as waste heat. The next biggest consumer is the energy to push it through the air.
Weight comes in at a lowly third, so I'm not sure why people are so obsessed with it.
In any case EVs have regen to recover much of the kinetic energy stored by the mass (weight) of the car, your e-fuelled dream car loses all of it to the friction brakes, if not used for coasting.
'Positions' have done the sums, many many times.
EVs win every time, and by a ridiculously large margin.
stavers said:
Weight vs aero depends on where you are driving. Over the WLTP weight is significantly more of an energy drain than aero - the aero only dominates once you get above 60mph or so. And at lower speed the amount of regen braking is reduced as well so it's a double whammy and not quite as clear cut as you said for those two parts.
If that is the case then why is a hybrid (even a 10 year old Prius) vastly more fuel efficient around town than a conventional petrol car, like 50+mpg vs 25mpg?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff