Not finding love with my RS6
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BrabusMog said:
guilty 
So what's the new plan? Or are you waiting to see what the Audi goes for before you make your mind up?
The second. Really liked the drive in the exige but I do wonder whether it was just the first time in a car like that and I should try new things before committing. As an earlier poster said perhaps I should try a porsche, I've been avoiding it but I should at least try it. Been ten plus years since I drove a 996 turbo!So what's the new plan? Or are you waiting to see what the Audi goes for before you make your mind up?
No major interest in the car just yet but have done another 500 miles in the car since the thread was started.
Warming a bit more to it, I've found switching the car to flappy paddle mode makes it a bit more engaging and allows me to bring out some more of the engine sound at acceptable speeds!
Having read some other posts where people with Golf R's are only getting low 20's as an average it puts a whole new perspective on my 19.4mpg average since buying the car! Certainly know which car I'd rather be sat in given the choice of mine or one of the latest breed of hot hatches that are (slightly) slower, just as unengaging from some peoples reviews and barely any more economical!
Keep thinking about the exige though, was a great drive....
Warming a bit more to it, I've found switching the car to flappy paddle mode makes it a bit more engaging and allows me to bring out some more of the engine sound at acceptable speeds!
Having read some other posts where people with Golf R's are only getting low 20's as an average it puts a whole new perspective on my 19.4mpg average since buying the car! Certainly know which car I'd rather be sat in given the choice of mine or one of the latest breed of hot hatches that are (slightly) slower, just as unengaging from some peoples reviews and barely any more economical!
Keep thinking about the exige though, was a great drive....
S10GTA said:
I really think you should be looking at alternative modes of transport to work. Its 3 miles, I can run that in my half hour lunch. Cycle/walk/run to work. Sitting in traffic is s
t and makes any car rubbish. Just use the car for longer journeys.
Per earlier posts I have a bike which I'm going to ride as soon as shower and suitable place to lock it up is sorted. Shower is sorted and now I need to get a bike rack installed, then at least two days a week I can cycle (the other days I have to drop my four year old daughter at school which is in the other direction!)t and makes any car rubbish. Just use the car for longer journeys. So I'm on it!
I used to also run 5 miles each way to work in about 40 mins but after a nasty twist I split a disc which leaked into my spinal column. 15 months later I ended up having a partial discectomy and highly recommended never to run again. So there's a bloody good reason I drive more often than not, it's not laziness!!!
yonex said:
Nasty!
Yeah it was the worst pain I've ever experienced. NHS insisted it was trapped nerve. Only after a year did I get promoted and get private medical. Got referred and within three days I was under the knife! Tramadol, diazapam, oromorph. None remotely touched the pain! Anywho.
For the time being I've set myself up with this :
Thrustmaster t300 hooked up to a pc and ps4 for project cars and rfactor
theboss said:
For what its worth, I run a Golf R as a spare and am seeing about 30mpg average... I did see 38mpg recently on sedate (congested) motorway running which was impressive... but a 'brisk' run over several hundred miles is about 29mpg and for comparison the M5 with 2.5x the displacement and near enough 2x the power is about 22mpg
Good to know, thanks. Was flirting with the idea of a mid sized car. Was very impressed with the M135i I drove and even liked it being ugly in a weird sort of way as I knew it'd be a talking point and marmite to people, either love or hate! Didn't buy because I didn't want the burden of owing money on a car (not been like that for a while!) and thought I'd miss the extra space of a hoofing great estate!TameRacingDriver said:
That thought will never go away, you'll likely end up back in something more raw in the not too distant future...
I think you're right there. Part of me wants to keep the RS6 AND get an exige but that's far too many toys I could feasibly justify right now! Would have to drop to a tdi-ous D segment estate and have the exige for high days and dry days.Smokin Donut said:
Bit late in the thread but I can relate. Was lent an S6 V10 to drive down to the south of France and back in. I was VERY excited and enjoyed the first few hours using the immense torque to surge away from anything on the motorway. But as you say the exhaust was so muted you couldn’t hear it. The seats although supportive were so hard everyone got back ache and a sore derriere aft a couple of hours.
When I finally arrived in the alps (summer) I thought ‘this is what I’ve been waiting for’ switched off the traction control put the gearbox in manual and booted it round the first hairpin. The car went round the corner, no tail out fun, infarct no fun at all. I arrived home very disillusioned and missing my Porsche 965 more than ever.
The car wasn’t very good as a long distance cruiser, rubbish as a sports car and didn’t make me smile when I drove it fast. A very competent, well put together tool, but far too clinical for me.
Let’s hope the new 991 turbo s is more involving……………………………
Take your experience in the S6 and bolt two whacking great turbos on it and you've got what I'm experiencing, albeit the motorway surge is so fast as to always make me laugh a little, but it's all over so quickly (in order to protect my licence!)When I finally arrived in the alps (summer) I thought ‘this is what I’ve been waiting for’ switched off the traction control put the gearbox in manual and booted it round the first hairpin. The car went round the corner, no tail out fun, infarct no fun at all. I arrived home very disillusioned and missing my Porsche 965 more than ever.
The car wasn’t very good as a long distance cruiser, rubbish as a sports car and didn’t make me smile when I drove it fast. A very competent, well put together tool, but far too clinical for me.
Let’s hope the new 991 turbo s is more involving……………………………
I'm warming to it a little more this last week, had five people in three days compliment the car, all at work which suggests one of two things:
1. The car is a little too subtle for people to realise it's a 'special' A6 or...
2. No on in the office ever thought an accountant would have such a powerful, crap on fuel car!?
I suspect it's more the second than the first!
Anywho I'm switching to our Alfa 147 ducati corse next week as my wife goes back to her old 147 and I fancy giving it a go!
Smokin Donut said:
I do remember one attribute that made me smile. As you say the car was so subtle hardly anyone noticed it was a ‘special’ car. With a passenger onboard I would pootle around for a while and when they weren’t expecting it burry the (not so) loud peddle and watch the expression on their faces. Never got tired of that. This must be hilarious with 2 turbos………………rocket propelled armchair.
If I had owned it I would have put a Milteck exhaust on to let some of the Lamborghini out
I think that's the one thing that would 'save' the car for me, a milltek or simliar exhaust to let it sing a little more, but that means sinking another £1,500 into the car! Have no idea whether I'd prefer resonanting or non res exhaust either as I'd like it to be tolerable on longer runs with family on board!If I had owned it I would have put a Milteck exhaust on to let some of the Lamborghini out
Found a little stretch of private road tonight and had a few acceleration blasts. Looks like 3.7 seconds is about all it takes! Ultimate traffic light gp car?
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CrgT16 said:
Wrong car for the job OP...
If your RS6 has 700bhp you are not even getting it in the zone with the driving you do everyday, perhaps that explains the lack of bond... To do a slow, city or busy 3.5mile commute you choose a highly tuned V10 and complain it is not engaging and heavy on fuel? Don't know why you are surprised.... I don't have an RS6 but I assume such a turned engine will have a sweet spot somewhere and the chassis will also have a sweet spot and I doubt it is a slow corner..
That RS6 is probably good for mostly motorway mile muncher and a little bit of twisty A-road at best... Perfect for Germany unrestricted motorways. It would probably be crap on a track day as well.
Forget the commute, any normal car will do the job, get yourself a good fun car with power that is usable! You Urquattro sounded a good choice but everyone needs a change.
You have to ask yourself what kind of PH you are, the 911 Turbo or the 2.7 RS one...
Everyone hones in on the fuel thing but it's the feel good factor that I thought I was buying and feel short changed on. I've accepted now that it's crap on fuel and actually in the 1800 miles I've had it it's showing 19.5 which is kind of where I expected it to be. However this last week or so I've been more leaden footed and have been enjoying the car much more! Anywho, deposit has been taken on it so I may not have it this time next week and I'll be back to my 530d and a wedge in the bank waiting for another car to pique my interest. If I do find out I've made a mistake selling as others have said I can always buy another one.If your RS6 has 700bhp you are not even getting it in the zone with the driving you do everyday, perhaps that explains the lack of bond... To do a slow, city or busy 3.5mile commute you choose a highly tuned V10 and complain it is not engaging and heavy on fuel? Don't know why you are surprised.... I don't have an RS6 but I assume such a turned engine will have a sweet spot somewhere and the chassis will also have a sweet spot and I doubt it is a slow corner..
That RS6 is probably good for mostly motorway mile muncher and a little bit of twisty A-road at best... Perfect for Germany unrestricted motorways. It would probably be crap on a track day as well.
Forget the commute, any normal car will do the job, get yourself a good fun car with power that is usable! You Urquattro sounded a good choice but everyone needs a change.
You have to ask yourself what kind of PH you are, the 911 Turbo or the 2.7 RS one...
Took my old boss out in it last night and pulling out of a junction I gave it some beans and he actually let out a semi scream then laughed like a loon. He just thought it was a run of the mill 2.0 tdi (he's not that into cars!)
To answer your question (sort of) I'm more of a relaxed/lazy driver so I prefer the lower down grunt from a turbo powered car over a highly strung NA, no doubt cemented from owning a turbo URQ for six years with big lag to 2k then a massive surge of power! Part of the reason I wasn't overly sure about the M3 was because I'm not really the sort of driver that wrings the nuts off a car and the m3 only really came alive above 6k.
julian64 said:
My rough guide for car fun. After five minutes of driving look down and count how many hands you have on the wheel
One = not fun.
And between a fun car and a really fun car is if after five minutes driving you have two hands on the wheel and smiling or you have two hands on the wheel with white knuckles and whole body shakes from the adrenaline!?One = not fun.
Greg66 said:
Well, it's gone now so stop thinking about it!
What's the replacement though?
Sadly for the time being cash in the bank and in a bizarre twist the old couple who I sold the 530d to wants me to buy it back (they took an 11 year old car to a BMW main dealer and were surprised when they quoted thousands to 'fix' problems that aren't really problems - like £1300 for auto boot mechanism which still works!!)What's the replacement though?
There was nowt wrong with the car when I sold it so I'm happy to buy it back!
May drive that car into the ground and hopefully if I can keep it year or so without getting bored I can come back and try the C7 RS6 or keep the beemer or a similar big diesel jobby and an exige!
Edited by QuattroDave on Sunday 4th October 19:39
and that was that.
New owner currently winging his way up to the midlands with his wife trying to keep up in a civic!
Had to get back to work sharpish so not sure if it's a regrettable decision or not yet! Time will certainly tell, but I lost no money on it over the last two months so that's not a bad start!
Here's to whatevers next!
New owner currently winging his way up to the midlands with his wife trying to keep up in a civic!
Had to get back to work sharpish so not sure if it's a regrettable decision or not yet! Time will certainly tell, but I lost no money on it over the last two months so that's not a bad start!
Here's to whatevers next!
wsurfa said:
If i'd spent another £10kish I'd have loved a breathed on RS6. Being an inveterate cheapskate I bought the S6 instead, and do about 50-60 miles/day, and am loving it.
Noise OK (needs some exhaust work) and decent acceleration, plus handles OK for a big estate.
So far (2 months) it's been great
Glad to hear you're enjoying your S6. I had eyed up one of those for quite a while and was pondering between that and the 550i touring but deep down I knew that I would come across an RS6 one day and be gutted I didn't stump up the extra!Noise OK (needs some exhaust work) and decent acceleration, plus handles OK for a big estate.
So far (2 months) it's been great
It's a great car, I had a blast in it and the acceleration was just so effortless and genuinely made me chuckle.
As mentioned in a recent earlier post ever since I knew I was selling it I actually thoroughly enjoyed the driving. Perhaps if I didn't have to borrow some pennies to pay for it things might have been different, who knows. But it's done now and I don't regret having trying one.
Back to the spare Alfa for the time being and see how things progress from there!
As for next car, well if the guy who wants to 'return' the 530d I sold him accepts my offer then I'll be in that until at least late spring by which time I would have saved up enough cash to be able to buy outright another car, whether it be the newer RS6, maserati, that exige I keep hearing the noise of in my head or perhaps even something new like mustang V8/Focus RS!?
Who knows!
Twist in the story.
RS6 sold yesterday, gone. Done!
Drove the 'spare' alfa to work today, no issues. Nipped to bank and shop then home at lunch no issues. Started it up and put in gear, judder judder, pop wheeez. Clutch gone! Either master or slave cylinder, though suspecting slave, mainly because that's the most expensive one of the two as it's a gearbox out job!
Would just say f&*k it and cycle to work but I'm in Bristol tomorrow! Pool car it is then!
RS6 sold yesterday, gone. Done!
Drove the 'spare' alfa to work today, no issues. Nipped to bank and shop then home at lunch no issues. Started it up and put in gear, judder judder, pop wheeez. Clutch gone! Either master or slave cylinder, though suspecting slave, mainly because that's the most expensive one of the two as it's a gearbox out job!
Would just say f&*k it and cycle to work but I'm in Bristol tomorrow! Pool car it is then!
-Z- said:
On a similar note, while I love the M5 to bits, it's just not enough of an event to drive to perfectly fill the dual roles of family car and weekend car.
So plan now is to lease a cheap and cheerful Leon Cupra 290 for the schlep to work, with active cruise control (not available on M5) it may be even more relaxing on a motorway, and then chuck £40k on either a Camaro ZL1 or Mustang GT500. Should be entertaining enough!
Sounds like a plan that man! What you've just said is pretty much how I felt. It was only an event under full load, but with family onboard those occasions were rare (despite my daughter repeatedly asking me to go faster!). All other times it was a fat A6 with a leak in the fuel tank So plan now is to lease a cheap and cheerful Leon Cupra 290 for the schlep to work, with active cruise control (not available on M5) it may be even more relaxing on a motorway, and then chuck £40k on either a Camaro ZL1 or Mustang GT500. Should be entertaining enough!
The A8 has a turn of pace, <6 to 60 and when not under heavy acceleration is whisper quiet with toys that I'll still be finding in a months time! Plus in black wiht beige sports leather seats it's quite a nice, albeit non offensive, thing to look at and be in, and hitting 30mpg on the run home was pretty darn good for a big V8 petrol motor!
daveofedinburgh said:
Just got the missus into a 2.0 diesel Q5 (fully loaded bruv, innit) against my better judgement, mainly because she wouldn't cave in to my suggestion of a clean, good vfm Tiguan and a holiday.
It ticks the boxes perfectly; it's an Audi (and therefore impresses her aspirational friends), but does all the things the equivalent VW would for a paltry couple £K more. A quick check of the VIN number revealed that it wasn't one of the VAG-diesel-cheatcode cars- something which she didn't give a sh*t about once she'd seen the 20 inch wheels and sat on the posh leather. Can't live with 'em, etc....
That's what modern Audis do as far as I'm concerned- provide sensible daily motoring at a relatively affordable price with 'premium' badge/ image. They are the last marque Id look to for a modern, engaging performance car. Almost across the model range (and we are privileged enough to have lots of access to new/ newish Audis via a friend who works for them) they manage to be feel numb, characterless and somehow 'detached', to me at least.
Afew years ago I would spot a large-engined, hot Audi and feel some kind of cool factor. I'd at least hold out some hope that there was a keen driver behind the wheel. Now, I tend to think (for lack of a better/ less outdated word) 'yuppie'. I hate to perpetuate TG/ Clarkson clichés, but that's my honest, considered observation. There will be many exceptions to this ofcourse; I mean no offence to true PHers in fast Audis, of which Im sure there are many.
I (respectfully) would say to QuattroDave that you may have been a little naïve in coming from an old UR Quattro and expecting a comparably engaging/ fun experience from the new car. The shortcomings of modern performance Audis are fairly well documented in the motoring press (admittedly with notable exceptions- Chris Harris seems quite enamoured with them for example).
They offer nothing that Id genuinely want to 'explore' in any depth/ for any length of time outside of the R8. The fact that Id feel the need to modify any modern Audi to really enjoy it suggests that Id be a better match for an M, AMG, or similar scary RWD-type-thing.
Bet I'm not the only one...
Yep I knew that modern Audis are characterless, however I'd always wanted an RS6 and when I saw one I thought I couldn't lose money on I decided to give it a whirl (and as it turned out I couldn't lose money on it, in fact I made quite a lot of money!) so I wouldn't call it naive, more a very calculated purchase!It ticks the boxes perfectly; it's an Audi (and therefore impresses her aspirational friends), but does all the things the equivalent VW would for a paltry couple £K more. A quick check of the VIN number revealed that it wasn't one of the VAG-diesel-cheatcode cars- something which she didn't give a sh*t about once she'd seen the 20 inch wheels and sat on the posh leather. Can't live with 'em, etc....
That's what modern Audis do as far as I'm concerned- provide sensible daily motoring at a relatively affordable price with 'premium' badge/ image. They are the last marque Id look to for a modern, engaging performance car. Almost across the model range (and we are privileged enough to have lots of access to new/ newish Audis via a friend who works for them) they manage to be feel numb, characterless and somehow 'detached', to me at least.
Afew years ago I would spot a large-engined, hot Audi and feel some kind of cool factor. I'd at least hold out some hope that there was a keen driver behind the wheel. Now, I tend to think (for lack of a better/ less outdated word) 'yuppie'. I hate to perpetuate TG/ Clarkson clichés, but that's my honest, considered observation. There will be many exceptions to this ofcourse; I mean no offence to true PHers in fast Audis, of which Im sure there are many.
I (respectfully) would say to QuattroDave that you may have been a little naïve in coming from an old UR Quattro and expecting a comparably engaging/ fun experience from the new car. The shortcomings of modern performance Audis are fairly well documented in the motoring press (admittedly with notable exceptions- Chris Harris seems quite enamoured with them for example).
They offer nothing that Id genuinely want to 'explore' in any depth/ for any length of time outside of the R8. The fact that Id feel the need to modify any modern Audi to really enjoy it suggests that Id be a better match for an M, AMG, or similar scary RWD-type-thing.
Bet I'm not the only one...
I too have seen Mr Harris' videos where he's been quite entertained by fast audi estates.
I loved owning my URq but would I get another one, not a chance. Lost most of my hair with the problems it gave me, not helped by Audi's insistence to leech of the URq name for everything and then staunchly refuse to support owners of said vehicle. Lots of NLA issues and a well worn position over a barrel!
When spring comes I'll consider a boxster and have already considered an S2000 and actually an RX8 as even though it's for weekend fun I'd like the option of taking both wife and child out with me in it!
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