does anyone speed all the time?
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The bottom line could be that if people are so dumb they cannot adjust their speed to suit the conditions, they should not be behind the wheel of a vehicle anyway.
Motor vehicles / cars are NOT white goods, but it seems that many want to use them in this way.
Plasma TV. Check, Washing machine, Check, Dishwasher, Check,Games console, Check, car, Check.
When those awful programs about people, who it appeared were congenitally unsuited to using a motor vehicle were `trying' to learn to drive, it became clear that the `it is my right so I am doing it ' mindset had kicked in, when really someone should have told them, sorry, I know its your right, and all that, but your intelligence and aptitude clearly demonstrates should never be in charge of anything more on the roads than a hoop and a stick.
Motor vehicles / cars are NOT white goods, but it seems that many want to use them in this way.
Plasma TV. Check, Washing machine, Check, Dishwasher, Check,Games console, Check, car, Check.
When those awful programs about people, who it appeared were congenitally unsuited to using a motor vehicle were `trying' to learn to drive, it became clear that the `it is my right so I am doing it ' mindset had kicked in, when really someone should have told them, sorry, I know its your right, and all that, but your intelligence and aptitude clearly demonstrates should never be in charge of anything more on the roads than a hoop and a stick.
Fantuzzi said:
This ^, I wont put my, or others lives in danger for the sake of going fast, but I wont adhere religiously to the speed limits either. I tend to just use my own judgement on how fast I should go.
Sticking to the number on a lollipop does not a safe driver make.
Dog Star said:
I am (honestly) very very careful in 30s and 40s - if I'm going to f
k my insurance up or get points (never had any in 29 years) I'd be fking spewing if I got them for some crap like 35 in a 30. Not going to happen. 85 in a 70 - fair cop.
Agreed. I'm certainly rather strict with limits in areas I'm unfamiliar with. In absolute honesty, that's more to do with the concerns re speed cameras than potential bunny killing.k my insurance up or get points (never had any in 29 years) I'd be fking spewing if I got them for some crap like 35 in a 30. Not going to happen. 85 in a 70 - fair cop. I'd rather a situation of people speeding slightly but with good awareness and observation rather than a mindset of "under the limit, can now switch off" which appears to be the norm (after all, as long as you don't speed you're safe right?).
Speed awareness/management is just one factor in safe driving. Strict adherence with a complete disregard for anything else is just as dangerous as reckless/inappropriate speed.
G3org3y - Spot on. An intelligent real world approach to using a motor vehicle. I still wonder that people actually believe that by sticking rigidly to the numbers on a pole, that that makes them a `safe' driver! What speed is safe when it comes to the matter of a faster moving hard thing hitting another slow moving hard thing, or worse still a slower moving soft squashy thing? 1mph - 5mph -10mph?
How many hear can honestly claim they wouldnt mind being hit by a vehicle doing 10mph?
Speed is only a part of the equation that makes up road safety (indeed speed has been identified as being the causal factor in a just a tiny percentage of UK road accidents)So while people focus so intently on speed, the real killer on our roads (poor road craft born of poor, inadaquate or in many cases no roads training whatsoever) is still out there looking for its next victim. Whoe coined the `speed kills' soundbite should be taken out and shot immediately.
If we get rid of the speed kills soundbite, and replace it with `skills save' that would be a much better proposition in my book.
How many hear can honestly claim they wouldnt mind being hit by a vehicle doing 10mph?
Speed is only a part of the equation that makes up road safety (indeed speed has been identified as being the causal factor in a just a tiny percentage of UK road accidents)So while people focus so intently on speed, the real killer on our roads (poor road craft born of poor, inadaquate or in many cases no roads training whatsoever) is still out there looking for its next victim. Whoe coined the `speed kills' soundbite should be taken out and shot immediately.
If we get rid of the speed kills soundbite, and replace it with `skills save' that would be a much better proposition in my book.
MKA29 said:
I feel more often than not my eyes are not on the road.. but in fact darting between my speedometer, speed signs, and speed cameras. Almost feels like the government are TRYING really hard to catch us out sometimes
If you check your speedo and the speed signs you don't ever need to look for speed cameras. Unless you are deliberately speeding, which obviously you won't be if you already feel overloaded with things to observe. In fact if you genuinely struggle to keep track of your speedo, the limit signs and the road it's time to slow down to give yourself more time to see whats going on.
As for the government "TRYING really hard" to catch you - the speedo is in your car by law, to help you. The speed limit signs are there to help you. Only the speed cameras are there to catch you. And lets face it, getting caught speeding is always the result of being stupid.
I have 6 points for stupidity. Had I been paying attention all the time I'd have no points.
I do think it'd help if all cameras had a speed limit sign on them - it'd save idiots from panic braking while they try to remember the last number they saw.
peter pan said:
If we get rid of the speed kills sound bite, and replace it with `skills save' that would be a much better proposition in my book.
Sadly it is easier to set an arbitrary limit and tax anyone who is found straying above it than educating a largely not to bright population. Pointless thread this.
I still really enjoy fairly powerful cars and enjoy driving them. My accident history and driving license history isn't spotless but overall pretty good with few and minor marks on it.
I'm not a brave driver extra urban and don't fly in to backroad corners with lots of commitment and faith in road surface and tyres, but I enjoy myself.
My rough definition of a crap driver is one that I either catch or overtake out on the backroads who then leaves me behind or catches me back up in a town - assuming of course that my judgement is about right and anyone else must be wrong*
I still really enjoy fairly powerful cars and enjoy driving them. My accident history and driving license history isn't spotless but overall pretty good with few and minor marks on it.
I'm not a brave driver extra urban and don't fly in to backroad corners with lots of commitment and faith in road surface and tyres, but I enjoy myself.
My rough definition of a crap driver is one that I either catch or overtake out on the backroads who then leaves me behind or catches me back up in a town - assuming of course that my judgement is about right and anyone else must be wrong*
- yes, I know that's the same arguement everyone else has too.
I've a friend who says that if you're speeding then surely you're past the potential danger more quickly!!
He used to argue about the old TV add about chance I survive if you hit me at 30MPH against 40MPH..... He says if you were going 50MPH then you'd be past her before she was even trying to cross the road
Joking aside, if it's roads I know then I'll judge it case by case. I live near a school on an open bit of rural road, understandably reduced to a 30MPH zone but outside of school hours and term time it's dead and everyone will put their foot down through it.
Or an old road where speed limits were lowered to take into account volume of traffic and a narrow bridge. Now the bridge has been widened and traffic has been reduced 90% by a dual carriageway that was built to offer a more direct commute. In my mind the limit should be raised here but it just doesn't happen.
In unfamiliar areas I'll stick to within 10% of the speed limit.
Motorways I'll do 85MPH on familiar stretches and 80MPH on unfamiliar ones (for being caught more than anything).
Maybe I'm the spawn of the devil but that's how I judge it and I think that with how cars have progressed to be safer, to stop themselves and stop quicker, to be faster and more stable at speed then we really should see more speed limits being raised but how many happen? Hardly any, sadly it's all about £££ now.
Also, I've a 40MPH road near me that leads to a town and turns to 30MPH. I cannot believe the number of times that someone will do 25MPH in the 40 part and then once they get into an urban area they will put their foot down and go from doing 15MPH under the speed limit to 10MPH over it! I don't know why they do it, maybe they feel all secure when surrounded by buildings or something but it seems a popular thing to do.
He used to argue about the old TV add about chance I survive if you hit me at 30MPH against 40MPH..... He says if you were going 50MPH then you'd be past her before she was even trying to cross the road
Joking aside, if it's roads I know then I'll judge it case by case. I live near a school on an open bit of rural road, understandably reduced to a 30MPH zone but outside of school hours and term time it's dead and everyone will put their foot down through it.
Or an old road where speed limits were lowered to take into account volume of traffic and a narrow bridge. Now the bridge has been widened and traffic has been reduced 90% by a dual carriageway that was built to offer a more direct commute. In my mind the limit should be raised here but it just doesn't happen.
In unfamiliar areas I'll stick to within 10% of the speed limit.
Motorways I'll do 85MPH on familiar stretches and 80MPH on unfamiliar ones (for being caught more than anything).
Maybe I'm the spawn of the devil but that's how I judge it and I think that with how cars have progressed to be safer, to stop themselves and stop quicker, to be faster and more stable at speed then we really should see more speed limits being raised but how many happen? Hardly any, sadly it's all about £££ now.
Also, I've a 40MPH road near me that leads to a town and turns to 30MPH. I cannot believe the number of times that someone will do 25MPH in the 40 part and then once they get into an urban area they will put their foot down and go from doing 15MPH under the speed limit to 10MPH over it! I don't know why they do it, maybe they feel all secure when surrounded by buildings or something but it seems a popular thing to do.
try driving round Edinburgh without breaking a limit, some of them are placed with no logic whatsoever. 30 zones that it is fine to do 50 in. 20 zones that noone observes, not even cyclists or bin lorries, then 40 zones that are basically potholes attatched together with cracks.
When the new 20mph blanket limits come in I will truly be "speeding all the time"
When the new 20mph blanket limits come in I will truly be "speeding all the time"
GadgeS3C said:
jamieduff1981 said:
My rough definition of a crap driver is one that I either catch or overtake out on the backroads who then leaves me behind or catches me back up in a town
Agreed!I caught him about a minute later doing 50mph in a 60 and passed him on a long clear straight.
Dick.
its the drivers that do 45mph through every limit and area, not changing for any limit, they strike me as dangerously selfish and ignorant, they should be dragged from their car and thrown in the back of a transit van with an angry lifer holding a fistful of viagra
i grew up in the countryside and tend to stick to the 30 big time, for me if you want to speed in other limits then thats your call, however out in the countryside we have limits more due to hidden lanes or entrances to fields and farms etc as opposed to kitten factories and schools, so unless you are familiar with the route its not a pleasant experience suddenly bearing down on a farm vehicle because no matter who is at fault it will hurt............lots!!
i grew up in the countryside and tend to stick to the 30 big time, for me if you want to speed in other limits then thats your call, however out in the countryside we have limits more due to hidden lanes or entrances to fields and farms etc as opposed to kitten factories and schools, so unless you are familiar with the route its not a pleasant experience suddenly bearing down on a farm vehicle because no matter who is at fault it will hurt............lots!!
In answer to the thread title;
no, it's almost impossible to speed all the time. You would have to enter and exit your vehicle whilst it's travelling above the speed limit and never slow down for junctions/traffic lights or stop to refuel.
I would wager everything I have that nobody in the world does this.
no, it's almost impossible to speed all the time. You would have to enter and exit your vehicle whilst it's travelling above the speed limit and never slow down for junctions/traffic lights or stop to refuel.
I would wager everything I have that nobody in the world does this.
Generally if a driver is on a section of road, and the traffic ahead of them is disappearing off into the distance, whilst at the same time a large queue of traffic has built up behind them, then that driver is travelling too slowly for the road / conditions in force.
Where a driver is generally either tailgating at the end of a long queue of vehicles or trying to overtake the car in front (with a big gap behind that driver) then they are probably trying to go too fast for that section of road.
Wether a vehicle is going too slowly or too fast can also be a matter of what type of vehicle is in front. If it is an HGV for example I would not expect it to be travelling fast, but I have seen many drivers who `appear' to drive their vehicle like it is a 32 tonne HGV, with slow ponderous accelleration following a stop, or slow ponderous turns, when in fact it actually is a quick nimble little car.
One can get the situations where a slow driver is oblivious to, and has allowed a huge queue of
traffic to build up behind them. and where the vehicles immediately behind, either cannot, or will not overtake, which can lead to some taking silly and dangerous overtaking manouvres by frustrated drivers trying to get by.
In these situations I would place blame for the unacceptable situation equally on the slow moving oblivious driver, and the too fast moving risky overtake driver.
Where a driver is generally either tailgating at the end of a long queue of vehicles or trying to overtake the car in front (with a big gap behind that driver) then they are probably trying to go too fast for that section of road.
Wether a vehicle is going too slowly or too fast can also be a matter of what type of vehicle is in front. If it is an HGV for example I would not expect it to be travelling fast, but I have seen many drivers who `appear' to drive their vehicle like it is a 32 tonne HGV, with slow ponderous accelleration following a stop, or slow ponderous turns, when in fact it actually is a quick nimble little car.
One can get the situations where a slow driver is oblivious to, and has allowed a huge queue of
traffic to build up behind them. and where the vehicles immediately behind, either cannot, or will not overtake, which can lead to some taking silly and dangerous overtaking manouvres by frustrated drivers trying to get by.
In these situations I would place blame for the unacceptable situation equally on the slow moving oblivious driver, and the too fast moving risky overtake driver.
My route to work is 30/40 roads,
On the way to work, its usually fairly quiet, there's no schools or pedestrians on route and ill tend to sit around 33-35mph (sitting nicely on 2k RPM in 4th), when it changes to 40 i'll increase my speed to about bang on 40 (there's a couple of speed camera and usually some traffic so exceeding 40 is just wasted fuel and break pads)
On the way home the traffic tends to be much busier and I'm usually lucky if I can consistently keep up 30 mph.
That being said, speed seems to matter less and less to me these days, I like to challenge myself on how smooth my driving can be
On the way to work, its usually fairly quiet, there's no schools or pedestrians on route and ill tend to sit around 33-35mph (sitting nicely on 2k RPM in 4th), when it changes to 40 i'll increase my speed to about bang on 40 (there's a couple of speed camera and usually some traffic so exceeding 40 is just wasted fuel and break pads)
On the way home the traffic tends to be much busier and I'm usually lucky if I can consistently keep up 30 mph.
That being said, speed seems to matter less and less to me these days, I like to challenge myself on how smooth my driving can be
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