RE: The Brave Pill | Bentley Turbo R
Discussion
V8 FOU said:
Lol, that’s the way one. I was there with a mate on a Jaguar owners day thing. Most importantly this was the day that I watched all the cars go up the hill, then the historic F1 stuff, and decided it was time to get out of a shed. Two weeks later I had got myself into the bmw and here we are today, the catalyst for the 130, it’s mods, the TVR, Atom and everything else.I’m holding you responsible
Been out much in the Bentley, wasn’t there a thread running in here?
yonex said:
Lol, that’s the way one. I was there with a mate on a Jaguar owners day thing. Most importantly this was the day that I watched all the cars go up the hill, then the historic F1 stuff, and decided it was time to get out of a shed. Two weeks later I had got myself into the bmw and here we are today, the catalyst for the 130, it’s mods, the TVR, Atom and everything else.
I’m holding you responsible
Been out much in the Bentley, wasn’t there a thread running in here?
Poor thing is languishing in my yard. I will update soon. Carbon fibre roof fitted. Now have ECU for full control of the gearbox, plus Emerald ecu for the engine. Then there's the new brakes........ And the 10kg of wiring removed...... The plastic door handles......I’m holding you responsible
Been out much in the Bentley, wasn’t there a thread running in here?
Glad I am the cause of such activities! Makes a change from alcohol!!
Regards Paul
A few points about the Turbo R and its ilk.
Any chromework, such as door/boot handles, lock buttons, heater controls, etc are solid brass + chrome. Real quality. These cars were really built to a standard, not price.
Having stripped mine, the quality is stunning. I have done some work on the VW ones and the quality isn't there. Plus the cost of an alternator or TP monitor, or high level brake light...... all about £1200 a pop.
But, as always, different strokes / different folks.
Any chromework, such as door/boot handles, lock buttons, heater controls, etc are solid brass + chrome. Real quality. These cars were really built to a standard, not price.
Having stripped mine, the quality is stunning. I have done some work on the VW ones and the quality isn't there. Plus the cost of an alternator or TP monitor, or high level brake light...... all about £1200 a pop.
But, as always, different strokes / different folks.
Balmoral said:
I had one for fifteen years, I loved it and it was like a death in the family when I sold it, the mourning period was long. But whilst I miss the car, it was truly magnificent, I don't miss the bills, in my last year of ownership it cost me £9k. I didn't mind £3k here and £4k there year in year out, with the odd respite of a sub £2k year, but that last year was the "It's got to go" moment.
Fantastic car to fetch Matlock chips in though as I remember V8 FOU said:
A few points about the Turbo R and its ilk.
Any chromework, such as door/boot handles, lock buttons, heater controls, etc are solid brass + chrome. Real quality. These cars were really built to a standard, not price.
Having stripped mine, the quality is stunning. I have done some work on the VW ones and the quality isn't there. Plus the cost of an alternator or TP monitor, or high level brake light...... all about £1200 a pop.
But, as always, different strokes / different folks.
Could that not be keeping weight down as well, if a part made of brass weighs a kilo and its weighs 300 grams made other ways, would manufacturers now do that ?Any chromework, such as door/boot handles, lock buttons, heater controls, etc are solid brass + chrome. Real quality. These cars were really built to a standard, not price.
Having stripped mine, the quality is stunning. I have done some work on the VW ones and the quality isn't there. Plus the cost of an alternator or TP monitor, or high level brake light...... all about £1200 a pop.
But, as always, different strokes / different folks.
In my limited dealings it always amazed me how rusty they got, any seventies Rollers we saw in the trade tended to be nails, not the nice ones but always with the tell tale ripples of filler, dont think the body protection was great.
I will be saying goodbye to my Royce ,hopefully in the next few months. NOT because of bills or Problems ( although since i changed to spheres for the rear suspension, the autoride light comes on at annoying intervals, but the ride is good.
I want to go back to being 21 and get a 57 Daimler again, Do a bit of old fashioned driving pre select box no power steering etc.
BUT i will miss the waftyness and feeling cocooned as i drive along.Lovely cars and the Bentley variant just says 'Press the right pedal HARD' whereas the Royce looks at you if you hit 70 like an old maiden aunt!! ( althought she didnt complain when i emulated the speed of an HST) allegedly
I want to go back to being 21 and get a 57 Daimler again, Do a bit of old fashioned driving pre select box no power steering etc.
BUT i will miss the waftyness and feeling cocooned as i drive along.Lovely cars and the Bentley variant just says 'Press the right pedal HARD' whereas the Royce looks at you if you hit 70 like an old maiden aunt!! ( althought she didnt complain when i emulated the speed of an HST) allegedly
sidesauce said:
J4CKO said:
And back when this came out there were people saying the same about it.
Bentley is owned by VW and there is parts commonality between some higher end Audis.
But this is a rebadged Rolls at the end of the day, back then they didnt do very well, Vickers owned them for a bit and nobody really bought Bentleys for a long time, it nearly disappeared, VAG have been around for just over twenty years and they seem to have done ok.
if you want a "Proper" Bentley, you can still buy a Mulsanne which has a development of the same engine as this.
if you want things "Just so", you buy a new one which will work, nothing wrong with the Turbo R, they are impressive machines but they are more of a sixties design, and I know running one marks you out as an enthusiast but dont see why everyone despises the owners of the new ones, that is who has the money. It used to be just establishment folks, "old money", Rolls got annoyed when john Lennon painted his Rolls.
Its a different world.
Great points and I fully agree. It's funny how people forget who often was seen in these Bentley's when they were new - a lot of them were considered "new money" at that time... I simply don't buy into this silly "proper Bentley" argument (a lot of "East End boys done good" as well as all sorts of other "dodgy" types had them); the cars are still finished in Crewe as they always have been and like you said, it's a different world, a world where unreliability and disappointing features simply don't cut it any more. I sometimes wonder if people on here would prefer that Bentley didn't exist anymore, which they probably wouldn't were it not for VAG...Bentley is owned by VW and there is parts commonality between some higher end Audis.
But this is a rebadged Rolls at the end of the day, back then they didnt do very well, Vickers owned them for a bit and nobody really bought Bentleys for a long time, it nearly disappeared, VAG have been around for just over twenty years and they seem to have done ok.
if you want a "Proper" Bentley, you can still buy a Mulsanne which has a development of the same engine as this.
if you want things "Just so", you buy a new one which will work, nothing wrong with the Turbo R, they are impressive machines but they are more of a sixties design, and I know running one marks you out as an enthusiast but dont see why everyone despises the owners of the new ones, that is who has the money. It used to be just establishment folks, "old money", Rolls got annoyed when john Lennon painted his Rolls.
Its a different world.
But - would getting of these be *that* brave though....?
A while ago i built a car TCO spreadsheet. Because nothing much was on the telly and i can get carried away with such things, and because I wanted to prove with manmaths to the wife that a £46k Tesla Model S was way cheaper than a £30k Diesel SUV. We have Discovery Sport now, by the way.
Loading this, and assuming 5k miles per year, and a generous allocation of £4,500 per year to maintain it, then over 3 years when you factor in this plus fuel, insurance, tax and *no depreciation*, you're spending about £21k, at £1.46 per mile. That's still less than the various 2 year old diesel SUVs I have loaded in the same spreadsheet. Plus the buyer realistically isn't going to need to find finance - another big cost of motoring.
I would never advocate buying a car based on a spreadsheet ; buyer of this needs to love it for what it is, but you can use them to set purchases in context.... it's no more expensive than a well-specced german hatch
A while ago i built a car TCO spreadsheet. Because nothing much was on the telly and i can get carried away with such things, and because I wanted to prove with manmaths to the wife that a £46k Tesla Model S was way cheaper than a £30k Diesel SUV. We have Discovery Sport now, by the way.
Loading this, and assuming 5k miles per year, and a generous allocation of £4,500 per year to maintain it, then over 3 years when you factor in this plus fuel, insurance, tax and *no depreciation*, you're spending about £21k, at £1.46 per mile. That's still less than the various 2 year old diesel SUVs I have loaded in the same spreadsheet. Plus the buyer realistically isn't going to need to find finance - another big cost of motoring.
I would never advocate buying a car based on a spreadsheet ; buyer of this needs to love it for what it is, but you can use them to set purchases in context.... it's no more expensive than a well-specced german hatch
cidered77 said:
But - would getting of these be *that* brave though....?
A while ago i built a car TCO spreadsheet. Because nothing much was on the telly and i can get carried away with such things, and because I wanted to prove with manmaths to the wife that a £46k Tesla Model S was way cheaper than a £30k Diesel SUV. We have Discovery Sport now, by the way.
Loading this, and assuming 5k miles per year, and a generous allocation of £4,500 per year to maintain it, then over 3 years when you factor in this plus fuel, insurance, tax and *no depreciation*, you're spending about £21k, at £1.46 per mile. That's still less than the various 2 year old diesel SUVs I have loaded in the same spreadsheet. Plus the buyer realistically isn't going to need to find finance - another big cost of motoring.
I would never advocate buying a car based on a spreadsheet ; buyer of this needs to love it for what it is, but you can use them to set purchases in context.... it's no more expensive than a well-specced german hatch
Ah but most of us that consider buying such cars tend (IME) to be the type that aren't considering buying a new car.A while ago i built a car TCO spreadsheet. Because nothing much was on the telly and i can get carried away with such things, and because I wanted to prove with manmaths to the wife that a £46k Tesla Model S was way cheaper than a £30k Diesel SUV. We have Discovery Sport now, by the way.
Loading this, and assuming 5k miles per year, and a generous allocation of £4,500 per year to maintain it, then over 3 years when you factor in this plus fuel, insurance, tax and *no depreciation*, you're spending about £21k, at £1.46 per mile. That's still less than the various 2 year old diesel SUVs I have loaded in the same spreadsheet. Plus the buyer realistically isn't going to need to find finance - another big cost of motoring.
I would never advocate buying a car based on a spreadsheet ; buyer of this needs to love it for what it is, but you can use them to set purchases in context.... it's no more expensive than a well-specced german hatch
EG my father who ran one has never bought a new car in his life and very few cars he's ever owned have suffered depreciation, as they tend to be at least 10 yrs old.
I'm the same - I tend to buy and sell cars within 3 - 6 months as I want to try others and have only lost money on 3 cars (out of hundreds) in my life - so a £4500 running cost is to me, the cost of buying a supercharged MX5.
V8RX7 said:
Ah but most of us that consider buying such cars tend (IME) to be the type that aren't considering buying a new car.
EG my father who ran one has never bought a new car in his life and very few cars he's ever owned have suffered depreciation, as they tend to be at least 10 yrs old.
I'm the same - I tend to buy and sell cars within 3 - 6 months as I want to try others and have only lost money on 3 cars (out of hundreds) in my life - so a £4500 running cost is to me, the cost of buying a supercharged MX5.
completely agree with you there - and i do the same. Spreadsheet was initially to try and steer Mrs Cidered77 away from a 2 year old SUV, but failed miserably!EG my father who ran one has never bought a new car in his life and very few cars he's ever owned have suffered depreciation, as they tend to be at least 10 yrs old.
I'm the same - I tend to buy and sell cars within 3 - 6 months as I want to try others and have only lost money on 3 cars (out of hundreds) in my life - so a £4500 running cost is to me, the cost of buying a supercharged MX5.
I go for older cars that either dont depreciate or appreciate, if newer - then something i'm confident won't lose 'owt. Current daily driver is an E46 M3; Sunday car an R129 SL - neither cost much at all. Only recent newer car was the BMW 1M which was essentially "free" when the profit was banked.... i've put my name down for the Megane Trophy-R because a: i love it, and b: it's depreciation will be negligible .
looking at cars this way allows you to own so many more interesting cars, basically!
But this is a rebadged Rolls at the end of the day, back then they didnt do very well, Vickers owned them for a bit and nobody really bought Bentleys for a long time, it nearly disappeared, VAG have been around for just over twenty years and they seem to have done ok.
'Just' a rebadged Rolls??? There's a bit of a difference between a rebadged A6 and a rebadged Rolls-Royce! Anyway, these weren't rebadged, they were developed by the same people, at the same time, and were mechanically identical apart from the turbo bits.
Still nicer than any modern Bentley. Not necessarily better, but certainly nicer. A friend has a Bentayga, which is far too ostentatious, glitzy, and just doesn't feel as special as my Grandad's Turbo R did. It's hard to explain what that feels like, but it's just something 'more' than any car on a production line feels like.
'Just' a rebadged Rolls??? There's a bit of a difference between a rebadged A6 and a rebadged Rolls-Royce! Anyway, these weren't rebadged, they were developed by the same people, at the same time, and were mechanically identical apart from the turbo bits.
Still nicer than any modern Bentley. Not necessarily better, but certainly nicer. A friend has a Bentayga, which is far too ostentatious, glitzy, and just doesn't feel as special as my Grandad's Turbo R did. It's hard to explain what that feels like, but it's just something 'more' than any car on a production line feels like.
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