Ask an ADI (Approved Driving Instructor) anything
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donkmeister said:
If that is what I think it is then maybe fairly accurate lolMy wife said her driving instructor used to put his hand on her thigh to help with the pedal or some s
te. Think she said he did it to her sister too.Got to be some perks to the job I guess
Hrimfaxi said:
Is the third "ability to teach" exam as hard as they say? How does it work - instructor pretends to be a learner, presumably?
Used to be in two parts.An examiner would assume the role of two different students who were at different stages in the learning process & you would have to deliver a given lesson plan commensurate with their stage of learning in each case.
Now it has changed to this
https://www.gov.uk/adi-part-3-test/what-happens-du...
Hard?
Well that's relative to the person taking it isn't it
It's not a walk in the park & something you are likely to be successful at without some good understanding & preparation.
If you walk up thinking 'I can drive, it's not hard to do, so I can teach somebody else to do it' then you are unlikely to succeed.
vonhosen said:
Used to be in two parts.
An examiner would assume the role of two different students who were at different stages in the learning process & you would have to deliver a given lesson plan commensurate with their stage of learning in each case.
Now it has changed to this
https://www.gov.uk/adi-part-3-test/what-happens-du...
Hard?
Well that's relative to the person taking it isn't it
It's not a walk in the park & something you are likely to be successful at without some good understanding & preparation.
If you walk up thinking 'I can drive, it's not hard to do, so I can teach somebody else to do it' then you are unlikely to succeed.
Most interesting, I was just curious that's all. An examiner would assume the role of two different students who were at different stages in the learning process & you would have to deliver a given lesson plan commensurate with their stage of learning in each case.
Now it has changed to this
https://www.gov.uk/adi-part-3-test/what-happens-du...
Hard?
Well that's relative to the person taking it isn't it
It's not a walk in the park & something you are likely to be successful at without some good understanding & preparation.
If you walk up thinking 'I can drive, it's not hard to do, so I can teach somebody else to do it' then you are unlikely to succeed.
I asked if I was hard because I've read on various ADI threads in that past that only around 20% of those that take it, pass.
Hrimfaxi said:
Is the third "ability to teach" exam as hard as they say? How does it work - instructor pretends to be a learner, presumably?
I was an Instructor in the 80's. The test was in two parts. The first part was a highway code/understanding driving test.The second part was a test of your own driving skill and a test of your ability to instruct the Examiner (acting as a learner) in various scenarios.
I found it to be a very enjoyable experience and passed first time, to the considerable ire of another ( extremely conceited) ADI at the same school (Becks) who had failed.
He flat out refused to believe me, until I showed him my letter congratulating me on my pass.
ok a few questions from me as I am teaching my 17 year old daughter to drive at the moment.
Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
sleepera6 said:
Tell me the story of your worst student (attitude wise - we all have to start somewhere with talent)
I tend to bin them very quickly. You can’t get on with everyone. However, the scariest/worst pupil was a lady whom I later found had some really serious mental health issues. A random braker. So much so that after a couple of lessons, I was actively watching to see if I could find something spooking her. We discussed why/when/where she was hitting the brakes but she couldn’t really give me an answer. It’s common for a new learner to do this but something else was going on. The next lesson, i really found the cause. She was hitting the brakes HARD, only when there was an HGV or other large vehicle within a couple of metres behind, at 30mph plus. I had to pull her over and actually ask ‘are you doing this on purpose?’She gave me a cheeky smile. Lesson terminated.
I didn’t hear from her for a while, Turns out she spent the next 6 months in a mental health Hospital. She really was trying to kill herself and didn’t quite care that I’d be collateral damage.
RB Will said:
donkmeister said:
If that is what I think it is then maybe fairly accurate lolMy wife said her driving instructor used to put his hand on her thigh to help with the pedal or some s
te. Think she said he did it to her sister too.Got to be some perks to the job I guess
Physical contact is really unacceptable. A chap in Slough, 3 years ago was jailed for assault as he used to carry a metal rule and hit the pupils fingers and or thighs, if they used indicator inappropriately . A 17 year old pupils parents reported as their daughter was limping after a lesson.
I like to keep things light. 95% of my pupils are female, over 25. (Teens are so flakey) proper, motivated pupils. They’re adults and I explain that if they see my hand coming, I’m not proposing, I’m stopping you Missiling into the back of a bus. You must have fun, in a lesson. Happy learners are quick learners.
Hrimfaxi said:
vonhosen said:
Used to be in two parts.
An examiner would assume the role of two different students who were at different stages in the learning process & you would have to deliver a given lesson plan commensurate with their stage of learning in each case.
Now it has changed to this
https://www.gov.uk/adi-part-3-test/what-happens-du...
Hard?
Well that's relative to the person taking it isn't it
It's not a walk in the park & something you are likely to be successful at without some good understanding & preparation.
If you walk up thinking 'I can drive, it's not hard to do, so I can teach somebody else to do it' then you are unlikely to succeed.
Most interesting, I was just curious that's all. An examiner would assume the role of two different students who were at different stages in the learning process & you would have to deliver a given lesson plan commensurate with their stage of learning in each case.
Now it has changed to this
https://www.gov.uk/adi-part-3-test/what-happens-du...
Hard?
Well that's relative to the person taking it isn't it
It's not a walk in the park & something you are likely to be successful at without some good understanding & preparation.
If you walk up thinking 'I can drive, it's not hard to do, so I can teach somebody else to do it' then you are unlikely to succeed.
I asked if I was hard because I've read on various ADI threads in that past that only around 20% of those that take it, pass.
The attrition rate is high. Part 1 (theory) to part 3 (teaching ability and therefore fully qualified) is 90%. Also, you only have 3 goes at part 2 and 3. If you fail, you wait 2 years to start the whole process again.
Hrimfaxi said:
Is the third "ability to teach" exam as hard as they say? How does it work - instructor pretends to be a learner, presumably?
It changed a couple of years ago. It’s now ‘pupil centred’ so you have an examiner observing a 1 hour lesson. Very much the format of check pilots.Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
ok a few questions from me as I am teaching my 17 year old daughter to drive at the moment.
Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
Depends if auto or manual. Autos, very rarely. Just foot on the brake. Manual, handbrake on, neutral, release clutch. However, as with all things, it’s control of the car. If you use the handbrake, your guide, for example, are Amber then green at traffic lights. Amber is your ‘get ready’ sign. Into gear, handbrake off and go. Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
Depends also on your skill level. Even in a manual, I rarely use the handbrake unless I know I’ll be stopped for a long time. I balance clutch/gas. Perfectly acceptable if it’s safe.
There’s no ‘turn in the road’ now but any sensible instructor should always teach it. I’ve been in tests where there was a problem and the examiner actually had to ask ‘do you know how to turn around?’
Push pull is preferred. It really does give you best control.
However, as long as you’re in control, method of steering is not marked down.
I do this regularly with experienced drivers from overseas, doing a licence conversion. Trying to teach push/pull actually causes more dramas.
Here’s a link to a great American guy who dies it better than boring UK instructors..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-4lv5tesA#
Edited by TVR1 on Sunday 9th May 14:35
TVR1 said:
Depends if auto or manual. Autos, very rarely. Just foot on the brake. Manual, handbrake on, neutral, release clutch. However, as with all things, it’s control of the car. If you use the handbrake, your guide, for example, are Amber then green at traffic lights. Amber is your ‘get ready’ sign. Into gear, handbrake off and go.
Depends also on your skill level. Even in a manual, I rarely use the handbrake unless I know I’ll be stopped for a long time. I balance clutch/gas. Perfectly acceptable if it’s safe.
Imagine you're sat at traffic lights balancing clutch/gas. Another car runs into the back of you (has happened to me twice). Your left foot slips off clutch but right foot presses on accelerator & your car shoots into the crossroads. Safe? Depends also on your skill level. Even in a manual, I rarely use the handbrake unless I know I’ll be stopped for a long time. I balance clutch/gas. Perfectly acceptable if it’s safe.
TVR1 said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
ok a few questions from me as I am teaching my 17 year old daughter to drive at the moment.
Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
Depends if auto or manual. Autos, very rarely. Just foot on the brake. Manual, handbrake on, neutral, release clutch. However, as with all things, it’s control of the car. If you use the handbrake, your guide, for example, are Amber then green at traffic lights. Amber is your ‘get ready’ sign. Into gear, handbrake off and go. Handbrakes, do you always have to apply it when you come to a stop?
reversing manoeuvres - which are included. In my day it was 3 point turn and reversing around the corner, now `I think it is bay parking and reversing in a straight line.
steering - is it still the push me pull you method. Most you tube vids don't seem to mention that this is still the only way.
Depends also on your skill level. Even in a manual, I rarely use the handbrake unless I know I’ll be stopped for a long time. I balance clutch/gas. Perfectly acceptable if it’s safe.
There’s no ‘turn in the road’ now but any sensible instructor should always teach it. I’ve been in tests where there was a problem and the examiner actually had to ask ‘do you know how to turn around?’
Push pull is preferred. It really does give you best control.
However, as long as you’re in control, method of steering is not marked down.
I do this regularly with experienced drivers from overseas, doing a licence conversion. Trying to teach push/pull actually causes more dramas.
Here’s a link to a great American guy who dies it better than boring UK instructors..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0u-4lv5tesA#
TVR1 said:
Depends if auto or manual. Autos, very rarely. Just foot on the brake. Manual, handbrake on, neutral, release clutch. However, as with all things, it’s control of the car. If you use the handbrake, your guide, for example, are Amber then green at traffic lights. Amber is your ‘get ready’ sign. Into gear, handbrake off and go.
... and there I was, thinking it was ‘Red and Amber’ before ‘Green’ at traffic lights.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff