RE: Audi RS3 sets new Nurburgring lap record
RE: Audi RS3 sets new Nurburgring lap record
Tuesday 3rd August 2021

Audi RS3 sets new Nurburgring lap record

The 'compact' class leader usurps the FWD hatches and claims a 7:40 lap



Another Nurburgring lap record has been set - we know, we know. But you still have to admire it when manufacturers manage to improve engineering and technology enough to beat everything else in the market.

Especially when that record is set by something lumped into the 'compact' class, rather than hypercars or dedicated track special. That said, it is the Audi RS3, so certainly not your Dacia Sandero revving up to 77mph.

With a time of 7 mins, 40.748 sec, the RS3 Saloon beat the previous record, held by the Renault Megane R.S. Trophy-R, by 4.64 secs, with racing and development driver Frank Stippler at the wheel. (Stippler also drove for the RS Q8 record, so knows what's what around the Nordschleife). Cue, surely, the campaign for a front-wheel drive Compact class to be added, because Megane vs. RS3 does seem an uneven contest; that said it does go to show what the Trophy-R achieved with just 300hp and a pair of driven wheels. Running on Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R semi-slicks, with a slight pressure change pre-run, the 'ring record RS3 is the same as that you'll be able to buy from the showroom later this month. Although the tyres won't be offered to UK customers due to a perceived lack of demand; best get nagging you dealer if you want that perception changed.


Audi puts the success down in part to the torque splitter, being used for the first time on an Audi model, which distributes the torque between the rear wheels, controlled via a multiple disc clutch on each drive haft. The rest of the set-up includes 19-inch ceramic brakes, RS sport suspension with adaptive damper control, and RS Performance mode as part of Audi Drive Select driving modes. Under the bonnet is the RS3's 2.5-litre, five-cylinder petrol unit that kicks out 400hp and 369lb ft torque.

Audi RS3 Technical Project Leader Marvin Schwätter said, "when we started development, we didn't know just how quickly our compact sports car would really be on the Nordschleife. But over the course of endurance testing, we determined that we could reach very good times and set a new record."

The lap record comes ahead of the market release of the RS3 Saloon and the Sportback, with prices starting at £51,900 and £50,900 respectively. Is now the time for an Audi to be the darling of the Touristenfahrten crowd? We'll find out soon enough!






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Trikster

Original Poster:

935 posts

233 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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As stated, think this shows more about how amazing the Megane is rather than the RS3….

Leon R

3,920 posts

127 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Say what you want about the RS3 but that time is impressive.

Roma101

859 posts

178 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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PH - you could at least get the lap time right! You have quoted the Megane’s lap time, not the Audi’s.

Putting aside whether the Megane was 100% customer spec., I think the fact the RS3 ran tyres your can’t order the car with (and semi-slick ones at that) rather undermines this attempt IMO. The Megane ran on tyres that customer cars came with. Stick semi-slicks on that and let’s see what happens.

jimmytheone

2,022 posts

249 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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19 inch ceramics! How big are the wheels?

cerb4.5lee

45,080 posts

211 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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jimmytheone said:
19 inch ceramics! How big are the wheels?
They are massive brakes for sure. I've been happy with the tiny(in comparison to these) 15 inch brakes that I have on the M4 to be fair! 19 inch brakes is definitely going some for certain. I bet they will cost an absolute fortune to replace.

seawise

2,284 posts

237 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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''Running on Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R semi-slicks'' - great, so not a showroom standard car then.

what time would it do running a set of PS4's or whatever the factory fit tyre is ? If they posted both times it would make the record relevant and interesting, as it stands currently it's just blar blar.

thegreenhell

24,277 posts

250 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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What's this 'compact' class, and why is a 4WD 4 door saloon being compared to a FWD hatchback?

Maldini35

2,913 posts

219 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Trikster said:
As stated, think this shows more about how amazing the Megane is rather than the RS3….
Sort of …but wasn’t the Megane a £70k special in the end?
That’s £20k more than the Audi.

Making a conclusion about the cars based on times is all nonsense though - 4 seconds faster could be down to air temp, tyre compound, track temp or size of the pro drivers’ clackers.






mat205125

17,790 posts

244 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Tyres make the time an irrelevance to UK buyers, and only meaningful in markets where that exact spec is available.


glm1977

200 posts

192 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Roma101 said:
PH - you could at least get the lap time right! You have quoted the Megane’s lap time, not the Audi’s.

Putting aside whether the Megane was 100% customer spec., I think the fact the RS3 ran tyres your can’t order the car with (and semi-slick ones at that) rather undermines this attempt IMO. The Megane ran on tyres that customer cars came with. Stick semi-slicks on that and let’s see what happens.
you can order the RS3 with those tyres - factory option - just not in the UK, per the article, due to lack of demand.

mwstewart

8,592 posts

219 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Minor point but I doubt that it has 19" ceramics - that's, what, 480mm? Due to cost ceramics tend to be made with in sizes to suit a wide range of vehicles, and 480mm would have a thickness designed for one of those tank-like SUVs or a limo type saloon. Too heavy for an A3.

dukebox9reg

1,722 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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cerb4.5lee said:
jimmytheone said:
19 inch ceramics! How big are the wheels?
They are massive brakes for sure. I've been happy with the tiny(in comparison to these) 15 inch brakes that I have on the M4 to be fair! 19 inch brakes is definitely going some for certain. I bet they will cost an absolute fortune to replace.
The brakes arent 19 inch. It means the smallest wheel fitment is 19 inch.

silentbrown

10,988 posts

147 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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article said:
Running on Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R semi-slicks, with a slight pressure change pre-run, the 'ring record RS3 is the same as that you'll be able to buy from the showroom later this month.
Good luck ordering one with a cage and harnesses...

Manic Street Sleeper

1,173 posts

72 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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19" brakes biglaugh

More sloppy writing from PH staff.

Yes I know we don't pay to read this stuff but I presume the people that write it are salaried and therefore owe it to their readers to be a little more careful before hitting 'send'.

thelostboy

4,700 posts

256 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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seawise said:
''Running on Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R semi-slicks'' - great, so not a showroom standard car then.

what time would it do running a set of PS4's or whatever the factory fit tyre is ? If they posted both times it would make the record relevant and interesting, as it stands currently it's just blar blar.
I hear you, but at the same time if everyone uses Trofeo R now at least we can make a fair comparison. It's like they have become a control tyre for Nurburgring attempts!

The spinner of plates

18,084 posts

231 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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That video is unwatchable...

3 separate views - like.
Switching them around every 3 seconds - ffs

Bencolem

1,192 posts

270 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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In what world does a 1600kg car be categorized as compact?

dukebox9reg

1,722 posts

179 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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Manic Street Sleeper said:
19" brakes biglaugh

More sloppy writing from PH staff.

Yes I know we don't pay to read this stuff but I presume the people that write it are salaried and therefore owe it to their readers to be a little more careful before hitting 'send'.
Working for an auto manufacturer, its how most of them refer to the brake sizes. As per my comment above, saying 19 inch brakes, just means the smallest wheel fitment is 19's.

AW111

9,674 posts

164 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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thegreenhell said:
What's this 'compact' class, and why is a 4WD 4 door saloon being compared to a FWD hatchback?
To get page views.

Audi PR releases some marketing guff, and PH prints it without a question.

It is a very impressive time, but marketing are paid to big it up with bullst.

Manic Street Sleeper

1,173 posts

72 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2021
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To 99.9% of car enthusiasts I'm sure 19" brakes would mean brake rotors with a diameter of 19"

E.g.

http://www.safebraking.com/bmw-18-and-19-inch-brak...

BMW is not talking wheel diameter in a recent press release, they are talking rotor diameter for their new line of performance brake kits for the 2015 X6 M. Let me put this into perspective, the Bugatti Veyron only has 15.7" rotors in the front and the Ferrari 458 only has 15.4" rotors. The BMW Power Kit also comes with larger 18-inch front brake discs, with a retrofit kit to increase the diameter to a whopping 19".

From the press release:

Larger, inner-vented 19-inch BMW M Performance lightweight brake discs increase the heat resistance and therefore the effectiveness of the brakes under extreme conditions. The blue painted brake calipers, with imprinted BMW M logo at the front, are showcased particularly effectively by open wheel rim designs.

BMW is offering the brake package with the factory warranty that probably does not cover wear on the pads of rotors. They have not indicated if the kits are carbon-ceramic or cast, in the pictures it looks like it could go either way. If the 19 rotor is cast iron, it should weigh as much as a manhole cover.

Edited by Manic Street Sleeper on Tuesday 3rd August 13:18