RE: GTO Squalo carbon skeleton revealed
RE: GTO Squalo carbon skeleton revealed
Thursday 30th June 2022

GTO Squalo carbon skeleton revealed

Even without bodywork the Squalo looks like a work of art


What you’re looking at here is the starting point of GTO Engieering’s latest homage to 1960s Ferraris. This is the carbon skeleton of Squalo, which will one day hold together the body of that’ll mix classic Ferrari elements with modern touches for what the firm hopes will be the perfect mix of old and new.

Judging by the complexity of the carbon tub, Squalo will be a far cry from the reimagined 250 Ferraris the company is known for. GTO Engineering has partnered with DEXET Technologies to devise a lightweight carbon tub that’s manufactured in three separate sections. The forward element contains the engine and gearbox, the middle gets the cabin (shock, horror) and fuel cell while the rear houses the diff.

A three-section chassis doesn’t exactly sound like a monocoque. If anything, it’s more of a tripl… never mind. Naturally they’ll be bolted together to form one solid structure, which GTO Engineering claims will offer “optimum feedback to the driver, with maximum precision.” The upside is that maintenance becomes a fair bit easier when you can split the chassis into three different sections.

Ultimately, the move to a carbon tub has allowed GTO Engineering to register the Squalo as a modern road car. This is an incredibly expensive procedure, given that it now needs to meet modern safety standards, but it means that cars can be built from the ground up instead of requiring a donor car as before.

“Our goal was always to create something different and unique but keep to what we all fundamentally love about cars – the fun of driving them,” said GTO Engineering’s technical chief Alexander Aucken. “Squalo will be fully customisable to individual specifications, perfectly blending the style and atmosphere of the golden age of sports cars with ground-breaking modern technology, engineering and stimulating engine performance.”

Speaking of the engine, we actually get a little glimpse of it tucked away in the front section of the not-so-mono monocoque. It’s a 460hp, 4.0-litre naturally aspirated V12 that’ll redline at 10,000rpm. It only weighs 165kg, too, which just goes to show how seriously GTO Engineering is taking the whole ‘sub 1,000kg’ target. We’ll find out how the whole package comes together when the car launches in 2023. We can’t wait.


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VanquishRider

Original Poster:

642 posts

170 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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You have to love some of the Retro Cars. So beautiful.

wong

1,373 posts

234 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Looks promising. But will be much more than mere mortals can afford.

Robertb

2,870 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Serious kudos to GTO for going for a new car from the ground up, rather than a restomod.

I wonder if they will make a convertible 'tribute' to the California.

GTO will be getting a good chunk of my lottery win cash, as and when I win it.

Vee12V

1,397 posts

178 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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I'd much rather have an exact copy of the original.

bluemason

1,146 posts

141 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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How did they manage to not get sued by Ferrari?

Hoofty

761 posts

208 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Vee12V said:
I'd much rather have an exact copy of the original.
They will also sell you one of those biggrin

https://www.gtoengineering.com/revival

I suspect they'll have more than one client who has already bought a real SWB, a revival SWB and one of these from them. Oh, to move in such circles.

TREMAiNE

4,104 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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bluemason said:
How did they manage to not get sued by Ferrari?
I am not qualified to answer the question, however, I imagine the patent/copyright or whatever the protection is is only valid for a number of years.
Given how old the 250 is, that protection has probably lapsed.

wpa1975

12,421 posts

132 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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TREMAiNE said:
bluemason said:
How did they manage to not get sued by Ferrari?
I am not qualified to answer the question, however, I imagine the patent/copyright or whatever the protection is is only valid for a number of years.
Given how old the 250 is, that protection has probably lapsed.
I doubt that very much, knowing Ferrari it will not have lapsed at all, so I am very surprised that they can get away with this.

coded2112

175 posts

239 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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wpa1975 said:
TREMAiNE said:
bluemason said:
How did they manage to not get sued by Ferrari?
I am not qualified to answer the question, however, I imagine the patent/copyright or whatever the protection is is only valid for a number of years.
Given how old the 250 is, that protection has probably lapsed.
I doubt that very much, knowing Ferrari it will not have lapsed at all, so I am very surprised that they can get away with this.
I tend to agree, watch this space, Ferrari never known to back down from a good law suit...

Shame as if had a lotto win i would be first in the queue!!

esotericar

745 posts

45 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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wpa1975 said:
I doubt that very much, knowing Ferrari it will not have lapsed at all, so I am very surprised that they can get away with this.
Well, the law is the law. If the law says something can only be copyrighted or protected via patent for a fixed period, and that period has expired, then it has expired.

I don't know the protections and time periods involved in detail, and they vary by territory, but I think generally design patents don't last that long - 15 to 25 years, around about. I don't think Ferrari can do anything about someone building a car that looks just like a 250 SWB. They can only object to things like unauthorised use of a trademark, so any car being sold with the 250 SWB design would need to be carefully branded and marketed with no references to Ferrari.

If you go to the product page on GTO's website, you'll see just that. Zero reference to anything directly Ferrari related. It just says very generic stuff like, 'Inspired by the golden age of sports cars':

https://www.gtoengineering.com/squalo

Robertb

2,870 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Hoofty said:
Vee12V said:
I'd much rather have an exact copy of the original.
They will also sell you one of those biggrin

https://www.gtoengineering.com/revival

I suspect they'll have more than one client who has already bought a real SWB, a revival SWB and one of these from them. Oh, to move in such circles.
I read that a lot of their work is building engines for owners to use in historic cars that are raced, in order to avoid damaging the originals.

Re copyrighting etc, I don't see what they are doing here as differing particularly from what Ruf do, given that they build Porsche-shaped cars from the ground up.

GTRene

19,782 posts

242 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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ooooh

it says buy me buy me...

my bank disagrees a lot though.

But happy to see they are getting build, although I will give up my monthly automatic lottery ticket at the end of this year, a lot can happen in that time ;-)

bluemason

1,146 posts

141 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Robertb said:
I read that a lot of their work is building engines for owners to use in historic cars that are raced, in order to avoid damaging the originals.

Re copyrighting etc, I don't see what they are doing here as differing particularly from what Ruf do, given that they build Porsche-shaped cars from the ground up.
In early 2019, Porsche AG criticized and threatened Ruf with legal action for copying the Porsche 911 GT3 and the Porsche 718 Cayman, along with the Porsche Carrera GT and several other Porsche models. Legal action was then taken which resulted in a ban of the company on the Porsche-owned forum Rennlist, and a ban on their advertising altogether.


Robertb

2,870 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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bluemason said:
Robertb said:
I read that a lot of their work is building engines for owners to use in historic cars that are raced, in order to avoid damaging the originals.

Re copyrighting etc, I don't see what they are doing here as differing particularly from what Ruf do, given that they build Porsche-shaped cars from the ground up.
In early 2019, Porsche AG criticized and threatened Ruf with legal action for copying the Porsche 911 GT3 and the Porsche 718 Cayman, along with the Porsche Carrera GT and several other Porsche models. Legal action was then taken which resulted in a ban of the company on the Porsche-owned forum Rennlist, and a ban on their advertising altogether.
Oh. I’m surprised that Ruf are still carrying on with the SCR, which is a dead ringer for a 930.

footsoldier

2,290 posts

210 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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wpa1975 said:
TREMAiNE said:
bluemason said:
How did they manage to not get sued by Ferrari?
I am not qualified to answer the question, however, I imagine the patent/copyright or whatever the protection is is only valid for a number of years.
Given how old the 250 is, that protection has probably lapsed.
I doubt that very much, knowing Ferrari it will not have lapsed at all, so I am very surprised that they can get away with this.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltaylor/2020/07/08/ferrari-just-lost-the-trademark-rights-to-its-most-iconic-car/

redroadster

1,877 posts

250 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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How did they do it for 75k 😊

virgilio

434 posts

163 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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masterpiece.
this and the gma t33 are the greatest cars of the decade.
and the ones showing where the sportscar industry should go.

after cars started to challenge horses it was not the strongest pulling or the most efficient horses that survived, but the most beautiful, as people would then only use them for pleasure. Historia magistra vitae?

sidesauce

2,948 posts

236 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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coded2112 said:
I tend to agree, watch this space, Ferrari never known to back down from a good law suit...
True, but Ferrari have also been known to lose major lawsuits...

https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2020/07/ferrari-los...

esotericar

745 posts

45 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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virgilio said:
masterpiece.
this and the gma t33 are the greatest cars of the decade.
and the ones showing where the sportscar industry should go.

after cars started to challenge horses it was not the strongest pulling or the most efficient horses that survived, but the most beautiful, as people would then only use them for pleasure. Historia magistra vitae?
Agreed. The T33 is a beauty and has its priorities right, unlike most high end trinkets. Slightly less sure about this just because we haven't seen the finished article yet.

PAUL.S.

2,986 posts

264 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Mark, the owner of GTO is on record (think it was a you tube vid) as having defended the company quite successfully from the men is dark suits.

Its often not that anyone has infringed anything, but just defending yourself can take companies under, as the big players can throw money at an expensive legal team knowing the small company cannot.

This latest offering from GTO is coming together very nicely now, perfect blend of classic looks with modern technology.