Automakers that define 'Integrity'
Discussion
I'll go first
Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's had that much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has buttons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's had that much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has buttons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
Edited by Chestrockwell on Thursday 26th June 22:39
Chestrockwell said:
I'll go first
Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's as much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has bottons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
Owned an old LS400 and felt exactly the same way!! Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's as much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has bottons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
Heaveho said:
Again, has to be Lexus. Processing warranty claims for them in the 90's was the easiest job I'll ever have! We still have an ancient IS300 Sportcross, in major mechanical and electrical terms, it feels like it's made of granite.
Thank you for reminding me about the warranty, 10 years/100,000 miles if serviced at Lexus, imagine Volkswagen doing thatToyota and Lexus.
They refuse to embrace new tech unless it’s proven. And once they’ve found something that works, they tend to stick with it.
And if you’re a spannerist, they’re a joy to work on. Simple hex bolts and plenty of space to get your fingers in.
I ran a couple of VAG cars for a while, and they were very needy and a pain to work on.
They refuse to embrace new tech unless it’s proven. And once they’ve found something that works, they tend to stick with it.
And if you’re a spannerist, they’re a joy to work on. Simple hex bolts and plenty of space to get your fingers in.
I ran a couple of VAG cars for a while, and they were very needy and a pain to work on.
Edited by Moodyman1 on Thursday 26th June 22:21
Having recently (Feb) bought a Lexus RC I agree with everything so far stated, I also am waiting for the ridiculous expensive car tax to end (mines a late 2020).
Nice to have the warranty but didn't even need that for a very slightly damaged grill as the dealer said that it should have been picked up in the pre-sale prep. Nice considering it was a £1000 part.
As said, can't see me needing to use the warranty as they do indeed seems to be hewn from granite.
Nice to have the warranty but didn't even need that for a very slightly damaged grill as the dealer said that it should have been picked up in the pre-sale prep. Nice considering it was a £1000 part.
As said, can't see me needing to use the warranty as they do indeed seems to be hewn from granite.
Another one for Lexus here. Got a '21 RX450 and it's just lovely. I've had all the German makes before, incl Porsche, and never thought I'd turn into LexusMan, but just got fed up with harsh rides, squeaky cabins, exaggerated dynamic driving claims and unreliability. BiL had a Lexus and loved it so decided to take the plunge 6 mths ago. Someone mentioned they just want to cruise in theirs - that exactly sums it up. Feels so good.
Also, just had a service done at reasonable cost, extra 1yr warranty added and an honest opinion regarding NOT needing new brake discs (there was a very very slight noise from one which was down to a tiny bit of corrosion). Integrity seems to fit the whole Lexus experience so far.
Also, just had a service done at reasonable cost, extra 1yr warranty added and an honest opinion regarding NOT needing new brake discs (there was a very very slight noise from one which was down to a tiny bit of corrosion). Integrity seems to fit the whole Lexus experience so far.
Pica-Pica said:
Luxury scam tax ? You knew about the tax, so how is that a scam?
I asked google to define 'Scam' and it said thisa dishonest scheme; a fraud.
My estimation of it might be broken down by somebody intent on proving me wrong however, I work in the motortrade, when I was a trainee, the guy I was shadowing sold a Hyundai Tuscon hybrid to a man who px'd his 2016 diesel VW Golf, when it came to taxing his Hyundai, the punter's jaw dropped and he nearly walked away when he found out it was £590 (It's gone up to £620 now). He said his old diesel Golf cost £20 a year to tax.
The government were dishonest about diesels, they asked us to buy hybrids and ev's to save the planet, granting free VED/road tax.
Most EV's cost more than £40,000 so they decided to introduce luxury car tax, I'd say that's a dishonest scheme sir
Chestrockwell said:
Heaveho said:
Again, has to be Lexus. Processing warranty claims for them in the 90's was the easiest job I'll ever have! We still have an ancient IS300 Sportcross, in major mechanical and electrical terms, it feels like it's made of granite.
Thank you for reminding me about the warranty, 10 years/100,000 miles if serviced at Lexus, imagine Volkswagen doing thatMy only VW, an admittedly wonderful to drive Corrado VR6, introduced me to unreliability equalled at the time only by my experiences of customers Jags when I worked at an Independant in the early 2000s. That initial German car experience horrified both me and my wallet to such a degree that it took me 20 years to man up enough to psyche myself up to Porsche ownership.
Chestrockwell said:
I asked google to define 'Scam' and it said this
a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
My estimation of it might be broken down by somebody intent on proving me wrong however, I work in the motortrade, when I was a trainee, the guy I was shadowing sold a Hyundai Tuscon hybrid to a man who px'd his 2016 diesel VW Golf, when it came to taxing his Hyundai, the punter's jaw dropped and he nearly walked away when he found out it was £590 (It's gone up to £620 now). He said his old diesel Golf cost £20 a year to tax.
The government were dishonest about diesels, they asked us to buy hybrids and ev's to save the planet, granting free VED/road tax.
Most EV's cost more than £40,000 so they decided to introduce luxury car tax, I'd say that's a dishonest scheme sir
I agree £40k as a “luxury” car threshold is comical. It should be more like double that. Or rename it “average” new car tax. a dishonest scheme; a fraud.
My estimation of it might be broken down by somebody intent on proving me wrong however, I work in the motortrade, when I was a trainee, the guy I was shadowing sold a Hyundai Tuscon hybrid to a man who px'd his 2016 diesel VW Golf, when it came to taxing his Hyundai, the punter's jaw dropped and he nearly walked away when he found out it was £590 (It's gone up to £620 now). He said his old diesel Golf cost £20 a year to tax.
The government were dishonest about diesels, they asked us to buy hybrids and ev's to save the planet, granting free VED/road tax.
Most EV's cost more than £40,000 so they decided to introduce luxury car tax, I'd say that's a dishonest scheme sir
Another Lexus/Toyota fan here with an RX450h and previously a gen 2 Prius owner. They're well made cars. Not fun but you know that they'll get you where you want to go. After several poor experiences with German brands (VW and Porsche) - I think I'll probably be sticking with Toyota/Lexus going forwards for my daily drivers. I've also had good experiences with Mazda - they seem like 'simple' lightweight properly engineered cars.
I'm so tempted by a Land Rover Discovery/Range Rover/Range Rover sport but every time I read the reviews the unreliability puts me off. I love the idea of owning a Land Rover - an iconic British brand. The cost is one thing but I can't be bothered with the hassle and wasted time of having to take cars to a garage to get them fixed/ repair them myself. And I also don't want to risk being stuck on a motorway/ A-road hard shoulder with my family in the car.
I'm so tempted by a Land Rover Discovery/Range Rover/Range Rover sport but every time I read the reviews the unreliability puts me off. I love the idea of owning a Land Rover - an iconic British brand. The cost is one thing but I can't be bothered with the hassle and wasted time of having to take cars to a garage to get them fixed/ repair them myself. And I also don't want to risk being stuck on a motorway/ A-road hard shoulder with my family in the car.
Chestrockwell said:
I'll go first
Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's had that much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has buttons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
I suppose it depends what you want from a car!Lexus, Mrs Rockwell just picked up a Lexus UX250h Takumi, 2021.
2.0 hybrid, drives like a f**king dream, it's not the most practical for it's size, nor was it affordable when new, in fact, it listed at £41,500. Luckily for us it's 2021 so just 1 more year left of the luxury car scam tax.
I've never driven a car that feels it's had that much effort put into it, so well put together.
It's not fun, by any stretch of the imagination, it doesn't seem to handle well at all nor does it feel nice to accelerate in despite being brisk but I want to do nothing but cruise in it, motorway driving? 50 mpg, round town you may ask? 50 mpg, Lexus quoted figures are 90% accurate unlike everything else I have driven.
The infotainment is dreadful because of that ridiculous trackpad but that wasn't a case of cost cutting, it was them trying to be innovative because the MK8 Golf has everything intergrated into a screen, no phyical buttons, everything from the climate controls, sport mode, volume and traction control was on 1 touch screen. The Lexus has buttons for volume, climate control etc
I've owned BMW's, Mercs, driven Audi's extensively and none of them felt as special as the Lexus UX250h, which isn't even a unique bespoke Lexus model, it's base on a CH-R but make no mistake, it drives completely different
Right that's what I think,
Your turn
Edited by Chestrockwell on Thursday 26th June 22:39
IMHO it's just another lardy SUV with a gutless 4 cylinder engine that needs a bit of Hybrid help that handles like a ship in a swell.
With so little involvement you might as well get an EV!
uktrailmonster said:
I agree £40k as a luxury car threshold is comical. It should be more like double that. Or rename it average new car tax.
Without getting into the politics of it, £40k isn't average, most people spend closer to £10k on a car with less than 8% spending over £30k. A 40 grand car is very much a luxury to the majority of people. Maybe not on PH. Only around 6 percent of cars on the road are nearly new.Silvanus said:
uktrailmonster said:
I agree £40k as a luxury car threshold is comical. It should be more like double that. Or rename it average new car tax.
Without getting into the politics of it, £40k isn't average, most people spend closer to £10k on a car with less than 8% spending over £30k. A 40 grand car is very much a luxury to the majority of people. Maybe not on PH. Only around 6 percent of cars on the road are nearly new.If you define integrity as standing up for what they were founded to be:
Ferrari. Never made anything but the best sports cars, annoyingly even the Purosangue is still epic by all accounts.
Lexus. Incredible build quality and reliability.
The Full Fat Range Rover. Since 1970 buying the full size Range Rover meant you got a superlative off road vehicle that really could do anything that also had the appointments of the current best luxury saloons.
Brands that have fallen from the path their founder set them on:
Jaguar.
Lotus. That EV behemoth is NOT a Lotus.
BMW. Unrecognisable from the 1970's / 1980's company they were.
VW. Trying to be all things to all men.
Audi. Not light, not clever, just brash and aimed at the ficklest of market tastes.
Honourable mention to TVR. No compromise, they made affordable sports cars optimised to be as fun as possible on British roads.
Ferrari. Never made anything but the best sports cars, annoyingly even the Purosangue is still epic by all accounts.
Lexus. Incredible build quality and reliability.
The Full Fat Range Rover. Since 1970 buying the full size Range Rover meant you got a superlative off road vehicle that really could do anything that also had the appointments of the current best luxury saloons.
Brands that have fallen from the path their founder set them on:
Jaguar.
Lotus. That EV behemoth is NOT a Lotus.
BMW. Unrecognisable from the 1970's / 1980's company they were.
VW. Trying to be all things to all men.
Audi. Not light, not clever, just brash and aimed at the ficklest of market tastes.
Honourable mention to TVR. No compromise, they made affordable sports cars optimised to be as fun as possible on British roads.
uktrailmonster said:
This is a tax based on the list price of new cars, not used cars. It was intended to target high-end luxury cars. So what high-end luxury car can I buy for £40k list price?
Owning any car can be considering a luxury, especially brand new.And considering Lexus were created as Toyota's luxury brand then...er...a Lexus. if you don't want to pay it then there's plenty of Corsas and Fiestas out there that will provide your basic motoring.
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