RE: Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6 | Spotted
RE: Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6 | Spotted
Monday 14th July

Peugeot 205 GTI 1.6 | Spotted

There's a new Peugeot GTI coming, and it's Bastille Day; no more justification required...


So busy has this summer been that already the debut of the Peugeot e-208 GTI - just a month back at Le Mans - seems like many moons ago. As a reminder, there’s plenty to be excited about, with 280hp, a limited-slip diff, Michelin Cup 2 tyres and hydraulic bumpstops for some motorsport sophistication to the ride. Given the haste with which Peugeot went from confirming the project to showing the car, let’s hope for more of the same when it comes to actually making it. 

Because let’s not forget, either, that when Peugeot has put its mind to it over the past decade and a bit, it has made some great driver’s cars. The RCZ R was expensive, sure, but brilliant; the 308 GTI may not have looked all that exciting, yet it was properly good to drive - helped by being so light. And the 508 PSE proved the Peugeot Sport expertise wasn’t just limited to the obvious avenues. 

It was the previous 208 GTI that, inevitably, folk will be looking back to with a new one on the horizon. It was alright as standard, then really came good with an anniversary special that celebrated 30 years of the 205 GTI in 2014 thanks to stiffer suspension and a limited slip diff. Anyone who thinks there’s not old school fun to be had in modern, affordable hatches should try a 30th or a by Peugeot Sport from £5k, because they’re great. If that sort of entertainment can be melded with the new 208’s funky good looks, then sold at a fair price with a reasonable range, Peugeot could have a winner on its hands. 

The truth of that will be discovered at some point in the future. For now we’re keeping it resolutely old school; the 205 GTI has of course been mentioned in the context of the new one (the wheels are meant to look a bit like those of a 1.9), but arguably you can never have enough of Peugeot’s most loved car. So here we are once more. 

Anyone who loves the GTI has probably been a little disheartened looking at the market in recent years. There’s strong money being asked even for CTIs, the Tolman overhauls are taking more off the market, and sometimes even the priciest examples don’t come with great history. Not a phenomenon unique to 205s, if still a bit sad given how cheap they once were. 

This appears to be an absolutely brilliant one. It’s a 1.6 that makes do with wind-up windows and no power steering; the most significant option new was a sunroof, the most dramatic modification since was the reflective strip between the lights. It probably weighs half what an e-208 will. Perhaps what’s most notable about this one, however, is that it’s been with the same owner since 1991; they’ve only recently given it up after 30-odd years and about 50,000 miles of driving the car. Can’t say that about every 205 around. 

They kept the GTI garaged and they didn’t cut the parcel shelf for a pair of 6x9s, but they did have the car resprayed a few years back in the original Cherry Red. That sounds like a good kind of owner, and means the 205 still presents wonderfully. Bear in mind it’s now a whole lot closer to 40 years old than 30 and it’s especially good. But still for sale at £12k, so it’s the cheapest in the PH classifieds. You know you want to…


SPECIFICATION | PEUGEOT 205 GTI 1.9

Engine: 1,580cc four-cylinder
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 115@6,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 98@4,000rpm
MPG: 30ish
CO2: N/A
Recorded miles: 76,000
Year registered: 1988
Price new: c. £8,000
Yours for: £11,995

See the original advert here

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rossub

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5,178 posts

206 months

Monday 14th July
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Engine bay doesn’t exactly scream garaged all its life!

ThingsBehindTheSun

2,141 posts

47 months

Monday 14th July
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Probably the most disappointing car I have ever owned, before this I owned a 205 XS and a Fiat Uno Turbo. I just assumed this would be exactly like the XS, but faster.

It felt horrible compared to the XS and felt absolutely gutless compared to the Uno Turbo I had before. I thought it was crap in 1996, I dread to think what they are like to drive 30 years later.

I probably should have just got the 1.9 instead, but even today I am a fan of turbo cars over NA.

WPA

12,128 posts

130 months

Monday 14th July
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The state of the engine bay yikes

S600BSB

6,669 posts

122 months

Monday 14th July
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WPA said:
The state of the engine bay yikes
Indeed. Awful.

Unreal

7,320 posts

41 months

Monday 14th July
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rossub said:
Engine bay doesn t exactly scream garaged all its life!
It certainly doesn't. Guess you'd need to have a good look at the respray quality. Impossible to tell in the photos.

Is that glass roof standard? Surely not.

Pretty little cars.

ThingsBehindTheSun

2,141 posts

47 months

Monday 14th July
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Unreal said:
Is that glass roof standard? Surely not.
Yes it is, it is a sliding sunroof that has a weird vacuum seal (that will no doubt leak, fill the map light with water and drip on your knee).

It has a wind deflector on the front which was a Peugeot option at the time. I hated mine so took it off and threw it in the bin, no doubt they are collectable now.

J4CKO

44,506 posts

216 months

Monday 14th July
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I could have that engine bay whipped into shape in an day, but if wanting 12/13 grand for it, I would have done it.

I wouldn't mind a quick shot in one again but I think it may be a little disappointing nowadays, am sure a lot of folk with older cars like this enjoy them, but I bet there are a lot more telling themselves they are enjoying it, but secretly realise its a bit old and shonky.

They do still look fantastic, best looking hot hatch of the era, that and the R5 Turbo.


Firebobby

837 posts

55 months

Monday 14th July
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It's decent enough, power wash the engine bay, a deep clean on the rest and it'll be worth £9k. I had a 1.9 in 1990 then I had rugrat number 3 so it had to go! It was a superb handling car, plenty quick enough in it's day but very tinny! Nice to see they're still available though.

rossub

Original Poster:

5,178 posts

206 months

Monday 14th July
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J4CKO said:
I wouldn't mind a quick shot in one again but I think it may be a little disappointing nowadays, am sure a lot of folk with older cars like this enjoy them, but I bet there are a lot more telling themselves they are enjoying it, but secretly realise its a bit old and shonky.
Not to mention, just a little bit too slow these days with anything less than the 1.9.

Even then - to me, a hot hatch needs to be no more than 7 secs to 60 to feel like a proper one.

Jeremy-57bxb

115 posts

82 months

Monday 14th July
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Not sure why the ad mentions the rear parcel shelf as not having been cut, because it is still collapsing. That and the worn/torn drivers seat and messy engine bay should all have been addressed for this price I think.

ThingsBehindTheSun

2,141 posts

47 months

Monday 14th July
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Jeremy-57bxb said:
Not sure why the ad mentions the rear parcel shelf as not having been cut, because it is still collapsing. That and the worn/torn drivers seat and messy engine bay should all have been addressed for this price I think.
In my opinion it all looks pretty tired if you look closely at the photos.

I had a dark grey one exactly the same as this that I part exchanged for £1K in August 1997 and was also an F Reg (registered 22 February 1989). Scary it was worthless at 8 and a half years old, and was a million times tidier than this one.

FlukePlay

1,114 posts

161 months

Monday 14th July
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Back in the late 80s, early 90s these were highly desirable cars for the youngsters such as myself. My brother had the 1.6 and then 1.9 which was miles better but a tad expensive to ensure. I had the Astra GTE followed by the R5 GT Turbo during that period. Uno Turbo, XR2/XR3, Golf Gti, Astra and Nova....a lot of choice back in the day.

What do teenagers and early 20s drivers desire now? I have no idea what the trends are.

el romeral

1,657 posts

153 months

Monday 14th July
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S600BSB said:
WPA said:
The state of the engine bay yikes
Indeed. Awful.
With multiple engine pictures, so you can see the grime from every angle;) Still a very pert body shape though. Must look tiny on today s roads.

Turbobanana

7,275 posts

217 months

Monday 14th July
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FlukePlay said:
y.

What do teenagers and early 20s drivers desire now? I have no idea what the trends are.
Yaris Hybrids, according to my 17 year old son's mates. Mainly because they can't be arsed to learn how to change gear (caveat - my 17 year old is learning in a manual, and is happy to do so).

Seems like a tough crowd on here today. While it's clear the vendor could have spent a little more time / money on preparing the thing, it remains a low-owner, low mileage example of a once-cherished car. They're playing up the "find another" factor a bit, but someone will pay this for it and go away happy.

LuS1fer

42,637 posts

261 months

Monday 14th July
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FlukePlay said:
What do teenagers and early 20s drivers desire now? I have no idea what the trends are.
My son's first car was an MR2 Mk 3 but the handbrake issues haver temporaril;y removed it from the road.

He has a Peugeot 306 HDI, his friend has a Peugeot 207.

Neither want an EV or even a modern car and they pay through the nose for road tax.

FlukePlay

1,114 posts

161 months

Monday 14th July
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Turbobanana said:
FlukePlay said:
y.

What do teenagers and early 20s drivers desire now? I have no idea what the trends are.
Yaris Hybrids, according to my 17 year old son's mates. Mainly because they can't be arsed to learn how to change gear (caveat - my 17 year old is learning in a manual, and is happy to do so).

Seems like a tough crowd on here today. While it's clear the vendor could have spent a little more time / money on preparing the thing, it remains a low-owner, low mileage example of a once-cherished car. They're playing up the "find another" factor a bit, but someone will pay this for it and go away happy.
I presume something like the Yaris GR Sport (not the GR Circuit/AWD variant)? Decent looking car that, quite pricey for a youngster!

GTRene

19,302 posts

240 months

Monday 14th July
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I owned 3 times such 205 1.6 GTI, they were ok, but the 4+ 1.9 GTI's (also a Rallye 1.9 GTI and a Dimma 1.9 GTI tuned by I forgot but 160hp and purple..) I've also owned over time were better.

I also owned a 1.6 GT forgot how that was, also not bad, that was a in between car for the hunt on the next more sporty car.


the GT


1.6 GTI


1.6 GTI


1.6 GTI

Frimley111R

17,205 posts

250 months

Monday 14th July
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J4CKO said:
I could have that engine bay whipped into shape in an day, but if wanting 12/13 grand for it, I would have done it.

I wouldn't mind a quick shot in one again but I think it may be a little disappointing nowadays, am sure a lot of folk with older cars like this enjoy them, but I bet there are a lot more telling themselves they are enjoying it, but secretly realise its a bit old and shonky.

They do still look fantastic, best looking hot hatch of the era, that and the R5 Turbo.
This.

I LOVED my red 1.9 GTI when I was 19 but I know that if I drove one now it would be pretty awful. I did buy a Clio Williams a few years ago and I am sure my mum's modern Fiesta 1.6 would have been quicker.

T1berious

2,518 posts

171 months

Monday 14th July
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J4CKO said:
I could have that engine bay whipped into shape in an day, but if wanting 12/13 grand for it, I would have done it.

I wouldn't mind a quick shot in one again but I think it may be a little disappointing nowadays, am sure a lot of folk with older cars like this enjoy them, but I bet there are a lot more telling themselves they are enjoying it, but secretly realise its a bit old and shonky.

They do still look fantastic, best looking hot hatch of the era, that and the R5 Turbo.
Agreed, I think progress and the fact that current base model cars have moved the game on. I loved my 1.6 GTi (even though it spent more time in the garage than on the road).

My R5 GTT was maybe not as sweet handling but it was way quicker, or certainly felt when on boost!

Oh that engine bay looks moody as.....

hurstg01

3,074 posts

259 months

Monday 14th July
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I test drove a green 1.9gti when I was 18, all those years ago... couldnt afford the insurance though

So for my mid life crisis I bought a 1.9gti, H reg, with sunroof and 109k miles and did about 15k miles in it before I sold it for double what i paid [although taking in to account all expenses, think I broke even in the end].

It went to Goodwood, both on display in a Hot Hatch Sunday and to the FOS a fair few times, my kids [early teens back then] loved it, my wife hated it, which meant I drove it more smilesmile. I sold it about 4 years ago (?)

Glad its gone now, prices seem to be getting a little bit ridiculous nowadays