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So Jensen and Bristol are back - who could (or should) follow them?


It’s all too easy to be despondent about the state of the British car industry. From security hacks to job losses, Chinese takeovers to factory closures, it can seem pretty glum. But if these factors constitute the stormy clouds, we must also consider the silver lining: Morgan’s recent collaboration with Pininfarina sold out (so they collaborated again), Minis are still leaving Oxford by the truckload, Caterham has a shiny new factory making as many Sevens as they can, 60 years of the Toyota Corolla owes quite a bit to Burnaston, and after a quarter of a century Ariel has made the greatest Atom yet. There are, in other words, reasons to be cheerful. Even Zenos is making a comeback. 

And that was all before the shock return of the Bristol Fighter, and the more gradual reveal of a new Jensen Interceptor. Different approaches, though remarkably both emerged in the same week. With those, the resurrection of Marcos, a newly rejuvenated AC and the Nichols N1A, it’s started to feel almost like PH should be a broadsheet automotive periodical. Or at least Great British Sports Cars Weekly. Old school in approach but resolutely contemporary in their execution, all promise a great deal. 

Not that profit-making success will come easily, of course, with a seemingly endless array of new exotic cars out there also competing for enthusiast cash. On top of the various geopolitical, economic and environmental concerns voiced by virtually every firm manufacturing anything. But what optimism there is appears to be infectious - and with any luck, the hard lessons of the past have been learned by those tasked with imagining the future. 

For those of us tasked with writing about the best laid plans of others, there are only so many resurgences you can witness before the daydreams kick in. After all, there are plenty of other ancient names still six foot under - or owned by someone doing precious little with the IP - and if there’s anything Britain loves more than an underdog, it’s a redemptive return to past glories. Just look at the response Oasis got. 

Like the nation’s most fractious band, not everything the cottage industry touched turned to gold. Take TVR. Not officially gone as yet, with a fresh tie-up announced last year, though we’re approaching 10 years since that Griffith was seen at Goodwood. Its travails have undoubtedly dented confidence in the brand - yet its back catalogue is too well stocked with blockbusters for the public’s goodwill to have been completely drained. We would humbly argue that if there is a market today for a modernised equivalent of the AC Cobra, there is one for TVR. 

Given the Ford Coyote V8 destined for the TVR can also be found in everything from the Mignatta Rina to Bronco restomods, it’s hard not to think of it like a modern-day Rover-Buick V8 - i.e. suitable for all manner of applications. Obviously it’s only Ford making them, but as we’re talking about tiny numbers anyway (rather than licensed for production as the Buick motor was) that shouldn’t matter. It just seems like an engine crying out for something sportier (or lighter anyway) than a Mustang, however good it is. If not a Griffith then maybe a new Triumph TR8, or scaring everyone silly in a reworked Westfield SEIGHT. 

Obviously conjuring up ideas for cars is an awful lot simpler than actually developing them - and lightyears from the painstaking business of actually building them at scale. The examples of this quagmire are myriad, though perhaps TVR is the perfect example of how a promising idea can self-destruct on contact with reality. But it’s Sunday and we’re blue-skying: how about a new-age Austin Healey, using the BMW B58 3.0-litre for a redone 3000 (with a manual to differentiate from the Morgan Supersport) and - here’s the best bit - the 1.5-litre B38 three-cylinder for a new Sprite? A small, light, simple sports car with a Mini engine once more - perfect. And who couldn’t fail to be won over by something that looked like a Frogeye? 

A nice dream perhaps, though with the brand now owned by SAIC Motor and even the MX-5 struggling in Europe, unlikely to happen anytime soon. Probably Ascari is gone for good, too, and even in Imagination Land, it would require some heavy lifting to see a Caparo back on the road. But before the gloom descends again, you’d do well to remember the other things world-beating British expertise is good at: i.e. restoration, and, er, restomodification. There isn’t going to be another MG B, but Frontline will build you the best MG-shaped thing that’s ever existed; Str8Six will make a TVR better than it ever left Blackpool; ditto Eagle with an E-Type or MST with an Escort. What Analogue is doing with Lotus Elises must be seen to be believed. And that’s just the tip of the big-money iceberg. 

And those of us with more modest budgets? Well, who needs restomods or chancy brand reinventions when you can buy the real thing at a fraction of the cost? An MG TF is still around for little more than £10,000 with just 10,000 miles; the £15k Jaguar F-Type is becoming a more regular occurrence; and there are great-looking Elises still at less than £20k. There’s a Westfield already under the PH hammer that would blow your socks off. Not as glamorous as a new Bristol, perhaps, though all still brimming with the right stuff. All very much flying the flag. And on any given Sunday, floating your boat, too. 


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Konan

Original Poster:

2,674 posts

175 months

Oasis are nation’s most fractious band? I guess since Mark E Smith died....

Surely if we're putting a V8 in come back machines, it's SD1 time.

Miles Remmington

84 posts

161 months

I think hope for a meaningful TVR comeback is now lost. The car would either have to contend with mid 20s emissions regs and active safety rules (in which case it's so from what made TVR special that they may as well not have bothered) or it would be some very expensive ultra-limited thing which is only relevant to a tiny number of people.

Sadly, the window has closed.

leglessAlex

7,290 posts

170 months

I remember Max_Torque of these forums saying the TVR would never happen when it was first announced, and he was oh so right.


It was fun to hope, at least.

trevalvole

2,060 posts

62 months

I think they should bring the Reliant Robin back, though it may not be the work of a moment to fit a Ford V8 in one.

Andy86GT

1,115 posts

94 months

Arguably if you like the idea of the TVR then there's still the Mustang. Properly developed and with the same V8, and a manual option too. Can't be much longer for UK markets, last chance to buy perhaps?

CountyLines

5,938 posts

32 months

Miles Remmington said:
I think hope for a meaningful TVR comeback is now lost.
I think it was lost at least 5 years ago, maybe more.

Water Fairy

6,578 posts

184 months

I have a V8 TVR with a manual gearbox. It's not very fast in all honesty and it is a fractious bd..........

But when it works it gives me something no modern car can get close to ( at least for my budget ).


Hoofy

79,996 posts

311 months

I'd like to see a muscular-looking 2 seater British car for under £50k. At the moment, I think all we have is the F-Type and that's foreign-owned. And no longer in production.

GODSENT3345

10 posts

13 months

The idea of a modern British sports car with a V8 still has plenty of appeal. A lightweight, simple two seater with a manual would be hard to resist.

CABC

6,294 posts

130 months

Andy86GT said:
Arguably if you like the idea of the TVR then there's still the Mustang. Properly developed and with the same V8, and a manual option too. Can't be much longer for UK markets, last chance to buy perhaps?
I'll argue.
But it's 50% heavier than the new TVR (even more than older ones), and that matters.
love the Mustang and even considering one. Mainly because enthusiast choices are becoming limited, so I'll take the nasp V8 in an average car.

Clad-Hach

793 posts

17 months

I am surprised the Triumph name was never resurrected, Triumph was always the sporty brand of BL and made some decent cars, I always felt they were put together just that little bit better, Rover too.

Way back in 1976 I remember my dad appearing with a MK2 Triumph 2500pi estate in bright red...it was a missile compared to most cars of the time easily cruising at 100mph...I loved that car, sadly he got rid of it just as I was about to start learning how to drive.

But I did get to drive it most Sunday's off road for a bit on our local forest roads...I will never forget that.

cerb4.5lee

44,364 posts

209 months

Water Fairy said:
I have a V8 TVR with a manual gearbox. It's not very fast in all honesty and it is a fractious bd..........

But when it works it gives me something no modern car can get close to ( at least for my budget ).
I feel very similar about my Caterham as well. It isn't especially quick in comparison to a lot of modern stuff of course, but it's seriously analogue though, and the harder you work, the more it rewards I reckon. driving

It's 25 years old next year as well, so not expensive to buy or run in comparison to a lot of stuff either. Happy days.

Squirrelofwoe

3,267 posts

205 months

CABC said:
Andy86GT said:
Arguably if you like the idea of the TVR then there's still the Mustang. Properly developed and with the same V8, and a manual option too. Can't be much longer for UK markets, last chance to buy perhaps?
I'll argue.
But it's 50% heavier than the new TVR (even more than older ones), and that matters.
love the Mustang and even considering one. Mainly because enthusiast choices are becoming limited, so I'll take the nasp V8 in an average car.
I've got both a 2022 Mustang and a mk1 TVR Tuscan- they couldn't be more different. Mustang engine is a peach, but the car is very much a gt, nothing like the traditional British sports car. Its just so much heavier. Perfect daily for me (its even decent on fuel for the engine size), but the Tuscan feels half the weight and is just so much more exciting to drive. It would drive me to dispair attempting to use it daily though!

I just cant see a car being created these days that comes close to the feeling of the 90s and 00s TVRs- regulations and consumer expectations would prevent it, regardless of the engine used. Interestingly we also have a Healey 3000 in the family and the Tuscan feels considerably closer to that than it does to the Mustang, despite the age differences being much closer between the latter.

Cotty

42,218 posts

313 months

trevalvole said:
I think they should bring the Reliant Robin back, though it may not be the work of a moment to fit a Ford V8 in one.
I know of two Reliant Kittens with V8s in them